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Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.12.15 12:40:00 - [31] Originally by: ZedLey I guess Eve is gonna be all about owning a qonq station now. Or better still a titan... Really though i think 8.0 personal standing is ok, i mean it ties you to your "home" bases. To expect a corp standing of 8.0 is a bit harsh especialy for multiracial corps and large corps. Im not sure how corp standings are worked out but mabye they need a look at. Author of "The Apoc Guide"
Gronsak	Posted - 2005.12.15 12:51:00 - [32] Originally by: ZedLey Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: ZedLey Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: ZedLey I havent been on test server so heres a question. Are these "new clones" available at any NPC station that i got a +8 standing with like Caldari Navy etc? no only at npc station that you have 8.0 and that ur corp has 8.0 too so ur corp needs a high standing too Thats stupid ;/ yes it is, but its also stupid to ask for just 8.0 personal standing, i mean we are not all agent *****s i dont think CCP wanted to see everyone jumping everywhere all the time imo just limit it to once every 3 days and let ppl jump to any station with cloneing thingy I guess Eve is gonna be all about owning a qonq station now. negative TBH no one really knows how this is fully gona work, lets give it time, and come abck 1 week from now to talk about it
Magunus	Posted - 2005.12.15 12:59:00 - [33] Originally by: Ysolde Xen Originally by: VossKarr Originally by: Sentani so... you can 'switch' bodies ? to one without implants or implant effects ? Yup. But only if the station you want the clone to be at is a corp that loves you and your corp very, very much (as in something like 8.0+ personal AND corp standings with the owning corp). There are limitations on feasibility but if it's at one of your own POS then yer sorted. Unless something has changed since I was testing it a few days ago, the only requirement is that you CREATE the clone where you have +8 standings. Once it's created, you can move it and dock anywhere you want. Ie, create a clone, move your main back to empire, clone jump, and move that second clone to another station. All you need is docking rights. Then clone jump back to your main. --- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
MachZERO	Posted - 2005.12.15 13:00:00 - [34] Originally by: without it changes nothing at all just allows more blobs and bigger blobs u need to have a personal AND CORP standing of 8 to jump into any station. thus it is most likely that u will only be able to jump to 0.00 stations Time to squash the fiction. Linkage I started a new corp with my second account. As you can see from the pic, my character has 8+ standing with sebeistor but my new corp does not. So long as your corp has a neutral or higher standing with the corp owning the station and you have suficient standing as well then you can place a jump clone there. --------------------------------------------- "Rang Rang" ---------------------------------------------
DarK	Posted - 2005.12.15 13:12:00 - [35] think of the little people! think of the poor little solo player! think of the childrens! Go play a single player game, this is an MMO.
without	Posted - 2005.12.15 13:16:00 - [36] Originally by: MachZERO Originally by: without it changes nothing at all just allows more blobs and bigger blobs u need to have a personal AND CORP standing of 8 to jump into any station. thus it is most likely that u will only be able to jump to 0.00 stations Time to squash the fiction. Linkage I started a new corp with my second account. As you can see from the pic, my character has 8+ standing with sebeistor but my new corp does not. So long as your corp has a neutral or higher standing with the corp owning the station and you have suficient standing as well then you can place a jump clone there. can u explain a little more pls since it seems uve done some testing
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2005.12.15 13:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Jim Steele Hopefully CCP will see sense when they realise the only people benifiting from this is Aliances. The small-corp and solo-players have been shafted again. Im not going to loose much sleep over it however. I think this is intentional.
Bollibompa	Posted - 2005.12.15 13:23:00 - [38] Edited by: Bollibompa on 15/12/2005 13:26:38 Quote: yes it is, but its also stupid to ask for just 8.0 personal standing, i mean we are not all agent *****s i dont think CCP wanted to see everyone jumping everywhere all the time imo just limit it to once every 3 days and let ppl jump to any station with cloneing thingy Start missionwhoring then, it's easy, but I bet you like ganking miners better... It's probably a starting thing for the promised lvl5 agents, so corps get used to doing lvl4's together now, and can do lvl5's relatively easy when they come.(Corps doing lvl5's together will prolly raise fast in standings, I mean)
HUGO DRAX	Posted - 2005.12.15 13:23:00 - [39] lol I got 8.0 standing and my special purpose 1 man corp.
MachZERO	Posted - 2005.12.15 13:27:00 - [40] Originally by: without Originally by: MachZERO Originally by: without it changes nothing at all just allows more blobs and bigger blobs u need to have a personal AND CORP standing of 8 to jump into any station. thus it is most likely that u will only be able to jump to 0.00 stations Time to squash the fiction. Linkage I started a new corp with my second account. As you can see from the pic, my character has 8+ standing with sebeistor but my new corp does not. So long as your corp has a neutral or higher standing with the corp owning the station and you have suficient standing as well then you can place a jump clone there. can u explain a little more pls since it seems uve done some testing I first tried placing a jump clone in the station while in my normal corp. It wouldn't let because my normal corp has a negative standing with sebeistor tribe. So I had my character create a new corp and tried again and it let me put a jump clone there with no problems. As long as your corp standing is neutral or higher and your personal standing is high enough then you can put a jump clone in that station. What I'm not clear on yet tho is weather Faction standing can override your personal standing with the corp the same way it does for running agents. (example: faction standing of 7.0 means you can run all agents for any corp in that faction) I wonder if a minmatar faction standing of 8.0+ for example will grant you the rite to place a jump clone in ALL minmatar corporation stations with cloning facilities. Maybe someone can check this out??? --------------------------------------------- "Rang Rang" ---------------------------------------------
without	Posted - 2005.12.15 13:34:00 - [41] Originally by: Bollibompa Edited by: Bollibompa on 15/12/2005 13:26:38 Quote: yes it is, but its also stupid to ask for just 8.0 personal standing, i mean we are not all agent *****s i dont think CCP wanted to see everyone jumping everywhere all the time imo just limit it to once every 3 days and let ppl jump to any station with cloneing thingy Start missionwhoring then, it's easy, but I bet you like ganking miners better... It's probably a starting thing for the promised lvl5 agents, so corps get used to doing lvl4's together now, and can do lvl5's relatively easy when they come.(Corps doing lvl5's together will prolly raise fast in standings, I mean) ganking carebares like u FTW baby perhaps i should get a pirate faction increase everytime i kill an inocent
Bollibompa	Posted - 2005.12.15 14:16:00 - [42] Originally by: without Originally by: Bollibompa Edited by: Bollibompa on 15/12/2005 13:26:38 Quote: yes it is, but its also stupid to ask for just 8.0 personal standing, i mean we are not all agent *****s i dont think CCP wanted to see everyone jumping everywhere all the time imo just limit it to once every 3 days and let ppl jump to any station with cloneing thingy Start missionwhoring then, it's easy, but I bet you like ganking miners better... It's probably a starting thing for the promised lvl5 agents, so corps get used to doing lvl4's together now, and can do lvl5's relatively easy when they come.(Corps doing lvl5's together will prolly raise fast in standings, I mean) ganking carebares like u FTW baby perhaps i should get a pirate faction increase everytime i kill an inocent Go play wow then
Brisi	Posted - 2005.12.15 14:33:00 - [43] Originally by: MachZERO Originally by: without it changes nothing at all just allows more blobs and bigger blobs u need to have a personal AND CORP standing of 8 to jump into any station. thus it is most likely that u will only be able to jump to 0.00 stations Time to squash the fiction. Linkage I started a new corp with my second account. As you can see from the pic, my character has 8+ standing with sebeistor but my new corp does not. So long as your corp has a neutral or higher standing with the corp owning the station and you have suficient standing as well then you can place a jump clone there. You have 8.45 standing with Sebiestor Tribe. You are the only person in your corp. Corp standing is the average standing from all members of your corporation. So your corp standing with the Sebiestor Tribe is 8.45, making it possible for you to clone-jump to them. If you're so certain of your point, try joining the corp with a standing-less alt. Your corp standing should drop to 50% of your current standing.
MachZERO	Posted - 2005.12.15 14:50:00 - [44] Edited by: MachZERO on 15/12/2005 14:55:11 Edited by: MachZERO on 15/12/2005 14:51:29 Originally by: Brisi Originally by: MachZERO Originally by: without it changes nothing at all just allows more blobs and bigger blobs u need to have a personal AND CORP standing of 8 to jump into any station. thus it is most likely that u will only be able to jump to 0.00 stations Time to squash the fiction. Linkage I started a new corp with my second account. As you can see from the pic, my character has 8+ standing with sebeistor but my new corp does not. So long as your corp has a neutral or higher standing with the corp owning the station and you have suficient standing as well then you can place a jump clone there. You have 8.45 standing with Sebiestor Tribe. You are the only person in your corp. Corp standing is the average standing from all members of your corporation. So your corp standing with the Sebiestor Tribe is 8.45, making it possible for you to clone-jump to them. If you're so certain of your point, try joining the corp with a standing-less alt. Your corp standing should drop to 50% of your current standing. Look at that PIC again.. notice the corporate standing window open?? You must have missed it b4 so I'll point it out now. It says ---> "Everybody is Neutral or Hostile towards davidwelsh corp" That basically means that this new corp has no standing with ANY corp yet since no missions have been run while this character in this new corp. But just for arguments sake I'll recheck the standing in a bit to see if it has changed to the average you speak of. update: Checked it.. and it is still neutral after 2 odd hours. And I can still put jump clones in their stations. --------------------------------------------- "Rang Rang" ---------------------------------------------
Hast	Posted - 2005.12.15 14:51:00 - [45] I give project Rebirth a big "MEH"
MachZERO	Posted - 2005.12.15 15:05:00 - [46] Originally by: Hast I give project Rebirth a big "MEH" till BoB or some other aliance shows up in you back yard with a fleet of jump-clones... lol but you are right.. for most of eve this may very well become a "meh" --------------------------------------------- "Rang Rang" ---------------------------------------------
evil's toy	Posted - 2005.12.15 15:09:00 - [47] so let me get this straight i'm a touch confused. you can have a pvp clone, mining clone, learning clone... etc and just switch between them once a day?
MachZERO	Posted - 2005.12.15 15:30:00 - [48] Originally by: Brisi Originally by: MachZERO Originally by: without it changes nothing at all just allows more blobs and bigger blobs u need to have a personal AND CORP standing of 8 to jump into any station. thus it is most likely that u will only be able to jump to 0.00 stations Time to squash the fiction. Linkage I started a new corp with my second account. As you can see from the pic, my character has 8+ standing with sebeistor but my new corp does not. So long as your corp has a neutral or higher standing with the corp owning the station and you have suficient standing as well then you can place a jump clone there. You have 8.45 standing with Sebiestor Tribe. You are the only person in your corp. Corp standing is the average standing from all members of your corporation. So your corp standing with the Sebiestor Tribe is 8.45, making it possible for you to clone-jump to them. If you're so certain of your point, try joining the corp with a standing-less alt. Your corp standing should drop to 50% of your current standing. You were right and I was wrong. I was assuming that the corporate standing info window updated like the personal standing info does. But it doesn't. It must update after downtime. Don't know if this can be considered a bug or if it's just the way that corp standings have always worked. --------------------------------------------- "Rang Rang" ---------------------------------------------
MachZERO	Posted - 2005.12.15 15:39:00 - [49] Originally by: evil's toy so let me get this straight i'm a touch confused. you can have a pvp clone, mining clone, learning clone... etc and just switch between them once a day? Yup.. pretty much. So long as you personal and corporate standings are above 8. (involves serious mission grinding) Most ppl will use them much like I plan too tho. Basically, for me it's a means to "unplug" my implants and keep them safe for pvp. Just jump out of your implant wearing clone into a blank clone... pvp your arse off for a week or so... then jump back to your implant clone after all the fun is over. (or you are broke.. lol) good times ahead :) --------------------------------------------- "Rang Rang" ---------------------------------------------
DARKKK	Posted - 2005.12.15 15:54:00 - [50] It will probably go like this: If i have good fight i usually offer enemy to let his pod go for some simbolic price: 2-3mil... piracy? NO, just favor to pvper. But as they are pvpers, i usually get polite response: i'd pay but i don't have implants, do me a favor and pod me :) When it gets to a carebear i want to ransom i often smell lots of +4 flying in space afterwards, but conversation is usually like this: Me:Sir, you want to save your implants? Him: You f00king pirate, lame, scum, .... Me: Are you really sure you don't want to keep implants for little price? Him: ... starts stalling... Me: So what will it be? Him: ... stalls more ... Me: Sir, time is running up, i'll give you like 30more seconds to make up your mind. Him: ok, ok, i'll pay... comment : local jumps from 2 to 30 Him: Now you are soo dead... Me: After you, sir... Pop goes pod, i have always successfully escaped. Now this is probably all about to change. I don't know exactly how this thing works, but if i get it correct: jump into implanted corpse, set long skill, jump in pvp/0.0/whatever corpse and play game. When skills is trained, rinse & repeat.
Ademaro Imre	Posted - 2005.12.15 16:01:00 - [51] Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 15/12/2005 16:02:33 Skills will keep training on your clone?
Sky Hunter	Posted - 2005.12.15 16:01:00 - [52] So you actually say ransomin pod after a fight isnt piracy? -=-
Magunus	Posted - 2005.12.15 16:03:00 - [53] Originally by: DAR*** Now this is probably all about to change. I don't know exactly how this thing works, but if i get it correct: jump into implanted corpse, set long skill, jump in pvp/0.0/whatever corpse and play game. When skills is trained, rinse & repeat. As of the most recent patch I've tested with, you can't clone jump with a skill in training, just like you can't install an implant with a skill in progress. So, no, you can't start a skill training with attribute implants, then clone jump. You have to stop the skill first and restart it after you've jumped. --- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
MachZERO	Posted - 2005.12.15 16:04:00 - [54] Originally by: DAR*** It will probably go like this: If i have good fight i usually offer enemy to let his pod go for some simbolic price: 2-3mil... piracy? NO, just favor to pvper. But as they are pvpers, i usually get polite response: i'd pay but i don't have implants, do me a favor and pod me :) When it gets to a carebear i want to ransom i often smell lots of +4 flying in space afterwards, but conversation is usually like this: Me:Sir, you want to save your implants? Him: You f00king pirate, lame, scum, .... Me: Are you really sure you don't want to keep implants for little price? Him: ... starts stalling... Me: So what will it be? Him: ... stalls more ... Me: Sir, time is running up, i'll give you like 30more seconds to make up your mind. Him: ok, ok, i'll pay... comment : local jumps from 2 to 30 Him: Now you are soo dead... Me: After you, sir... Pop goes pod, i have always successfully escaped. Now this is probably all about to change. I don't know exactly how this thing works, but if i get it correct: jump into implanted corpse, set long skill, jump in pvp/0.0/whatever corpse and play game. When skills is trained, rinse & repeat. You have to stop all skill training b4 you clone jump so that when you start up training again it is based off your new clone attributes, not your "old" implant wearing clone. Pirates will have to get a bit more inventive now I guess when it comes to ransoming... --------------------------------------------- "Rang Rang" ---------------------------------------------
DARKKK	Posted - 2005.12.15 16:14:00 - [55] Originally by: Sky Hunter So you actually say ransomin pod after a fight isnt piracy? Asking for 2mil from 2years old char? Clone costs what 10mil at least? Simply a favour. And if i pop his pod he will buy implants again. Then implants will be more expensive when i'll need em. Usually i don't even start convo after good fights, just scramble the pod and wait if he offers something :)
Wukwuk	Posted - 2005.12.15 17:11:00 - [56] Does this mean we can keep multiple clones around that all can have different implants? That means me and my corp mates finally get to venture out into 0.0. The fear of losing implants was quite prohibitive up to now. It'd make sense to halve the implant slots and do away with the hard distinction between attribute implats and hardwirings. You'd have to chose between attributes or combat for each slot... oh the possibilities ...
Helplessandlost	Posted - 2005.12.15 17:27:00 - [57] If you have to join a new corp to get the corp standings to park a jump clone, can you then join back to your original corp and still jump to this clone that was created while you were in a different corp that had good standings? Do you have to be a member of the corp or a corp with good standings to access the clone that you parked while in the corp that had the good standings? Yea I know it sounds kind of circuitous but that is the way it seems to me anybody else notice this or am I just being daft? Check us out
Budmeister	Posted - 2005.12.15 18:42:00 - [58]
Helplessandlost	Posted - 2005.12.16 14:28:00 - [59] Anybody have any more information on this? Check us out
Ghoest	Posted - 2005.12.16 14:53:00 - [60] This is going to make for a very silly season of corp jumping.

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