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Khal Falcor Occultum Associates 0	Posted - 2013.07.24 00:35:00 - [31] - Quote Which skills should I start to train for pvp?
Jonah Gravenstein Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths 11254	Posted - 2013.07.24 00:43:00 - [32] - Quote Khal Falcor wrote: While I look for a corp what skills should I start to train for pvp? The goonfleet wiki has a good, if a little out of date, PvP skill guide. You'll need to a little research, some things have changed. There's also Tippia's newbie training plan. Both will probably help you with your skill planning. Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt
Gallastian Khanid SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1	Posted - 2013.07.25 08:53:00 - [33] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: No it isn't http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1675337 I keep on trying to improve at pvp but each and every time it just chews me up. If you find a good lone target they warp off or call in back up. All the othertimes its gate camps, smart bomb battleships, tech 2 blasters faction frigates next to the warp in point. There is no fun in pvp. All of the guides on the web are so generic and useless that there is no point. I browsed your killboard. You're moving in the right direction, but it looks like you're copying fits without understanding how they're meant to be flown. From your posting you don't seem to be thinking about the game beyond what you can immediately see on field. Are you using local to check who is in system with you? Are you clicking on dudes' names to check if they all share a corp or alliance? Do you remember which corps/players fly certain types of ships? What are you doing to avoid having 12 dudes warp in on you once you engage? If you need a cheap, low sp option I'd spend a week to get T2 blasters and Caldari frigate 4, gunnery supports to 3, and run with the following Merlin setup: 3 Neutron Blasters Limited 1MN Microwarp Drive Medium Shield Extender (You fit Small Shield Extenders on your Condors. Don't do that. Medium or nothing for frigs.) Scram (Faint Epsilon is optimal, but ~1.5mil isk) Web (Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor is optimal but ~1.5 mil isk) Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core Magnetic Field Stabilizer 2 Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer 2 Small Core Defense Field Extender You can even do this with T1 guns if you're super impatient. Load Caldari Navy Antimatter S. Burn towards dudes, scram/web them, orbit them at 500, overheat your guns if you can, scream at screen, get pod out if you lose, kill their pod if you win. If you train for T2 small blasters you have some flexibility because you can load Null S to hit out a little further if someone tries to kite you, but you'll lose against a dedicated kiting setup. Learn what the different frigates you run into do and which ones you can beat. I chose this ship for its high damage at close range, good tracking, and tank bonus that gives you that extra bit of milage in a brawl. Its also easy to fly this Merlin. If you want to try a Caracal again, use a RLML Caracal. HAMS can't hit frigates well because of their signature and speed. I'd seriously suggest getting into a newbie corp such as Brave Newbies, Eve Uni, or RvB and trying to fly with some more experienced players. Solo PvP is super duper crazy hard in Eve. You have to be a good pilot, know the area you're flying in, and be really good at making decisions with very limited information.
Gallastian Khanid SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1	Posted - 2013.07.25 09:02:00 - [34] - Quote Khal Falcor wrote: Which skills should I start to train for pvp? Navigation skills: Afterburner 3, High Speed Maneuvering 3, Propulsion Jamming 3, Navigation 3, Warp Drive Operation 3, Acceleration Control 3, All racial frigates 3. All small guns 3. Shield Tanking Skills: Shield Operation 3, Shield Management 3, Shield Upgrades 4. Core Skills: Hull upgrades 4, Mechanics 4, Engineering 4, Electronics 4, Overheating skills: Thermodynamics 3 and prereqs. Jumpclone skills: (Use the corporation Estel Arrador Corp Services to get some clones once you train this so you can separate your PvP clone from your learning implant clone to avoid losing implants) Infomorph Psychology 3 and Prereqs These skills let you fly tackle frigates, which is the best way to start PvP. I put the prerequisites to field a T2 shield tank in there as well, but if you want to do T1 tank you could move all the 4's down to 3's. If you want to solo, I'd suggest getting T2 small blasters and flying a Merlin as I posted above.
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates. 25	Posted - 2013.07.25 09:24:00 - [35] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: don't waste your time. pvp is impossible unless your an elite player with a much better character. Stick with missioning, its much safer. Thats ******* and you know it , and dont try to say you need tech2 guns blabla cost 9 days to train (wich is very short) bla bla , there are lots of corps letting newbros in and tech them , post in the recruitment channel that you look for those corps.
Andracin Sickology 166	Posted - 2013.07.25 09:45:00 - [36] - Quote Im a pirate and I fight faction war people all the time and I die to them too. You have to remember that just cause a player has 100m sp only a fraction of that applies to the particular ship he's flying. For instance Im in regular old t1 frigates or destroyers alot and any 3-month old char should be able to match me skill-for skill SP wise. The only thing that sets me apart is experience, but I have also been pvp-ing since I had 250K SP. I would definitly recommend you join a reputable FW corp where you will learn the basics. Also learn ship types and use FW plexes to your advantage. Sitting in a novice plex means only t1 and faction t1 ships can fight you, keeping your short-range scanner up lets you know exactly what is landing on the in-gate to the plex and gives you plenty of time to decide on flee or fight. Also don't think just because someone with more experience violates your space ship they are a complete a-hole. You will find many experienced pilots if asked politely will give you very good advice about fitting and tactics. Ive given my victims a better fitting for their ship and the isk to buy the ship and fittings. Only send rage mails and convos if you think the other pilot needs his troll tank re-filled with your tears.
Paul Otichoda Electric Sun Associates 20	Posted - 2013.07.25 11:24:00 - [37] - Quote Gallastian Khanid wrote: etc etc . Actually I've have some quite good battles in this fitting http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18893182 I can hold people away from me yet hold then down and keep them from using their weapons against me (especially if they're using blasters). Main problem is Armour repaiers being feed off Cap Boosters. Results on both of us being unable to damage the other until ones capacitor goes flat or we give up and withdraw. And I know what went wrong here, I was auto-orbiting the Incursus when the rifter (and all the other random players in the system) came in. I didn't change my orbit allowing the rifter to get in range. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18893366 was up against this fitting at first. so yeah perhaps pvp isn't as hard as I thought. Just wish people didn't keep warping in and spoiling the fight.
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates. 25	Posted - 2013.07.25 12:30:00 - [38] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Gallastian Khanid wrote: etc etc . Actually I've have some quite good battles in this fitting http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18893182 I can hold people away from me yet hold then down and keep them from using their weapons against me (especially if they're using blasters). Main problem is Armour repaiers being feed off Cap Boosters. Results on both of us being unable to damage the other until ones capacitor goes flat or we give up and withdraw. And I know what went wrong here, I was auto-orbiting the Incursus when the rifter (and all the other random players in the system) came in. I didn't change my orbit allowing the rifter to get in range. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18893366 was up against this fitting at first. so yeah perhaps pvp isn't as hard as I thought. Just wish people didn't keep warping in and spoiling the fight. Ah nice to see that last sentence , :) you will always have those guys we like the 5v1 odds After a while you will know who to engage or not esp if you stay longer in the same region.
Norian Lonark Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few 82	Posted - 2013.07.25 12:48:00 - [39] - Quote Dont listen to anyone who says you cant pvp in EVE without having loads of SP. PVP isnt about SP I have lots of SP but I am rubbish at PVP, if you want to PVP find the right group to play with and do it. I always liked this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=96b7Jk5xCTQ#at=28
Trudeaux Margaret Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 69	Posted - 2013.07.25 20:21:00 - [40] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Gallastian Khanid wrote: etc etc . Actually I've have some quite good battles in this fitting... You were just given a ton of advice from someone from one of the premier PvP training corps in the entire game. Don't blow it off like that. Jeez.
Donbe Scurred University of Caille Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2013.07.25 20:37:00 - [41] - Quote Trudeaux Margaret wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: Gallastian Khanid wrote: etc etc . Actually I've have some quite good battles in this fitting... You were just given a ton of advice from someone from one of the premier PvP training corps in the entire game. Don't blow it off like that. Jeez. I agree. Paul's fatal flaws (ignorance of game mechanics and entitlement) make him stick out like a sore thumb, his attitude does seem to be changing slowly but not enough. I think he'll be ok in the end though as long as he recognizes and works on these flaws.
Diesel47 Bad Men Ltd. 723	Posted - 2013.07.26 18:42:00 - [42] - Quote +1 To the suggestion of joining brave newbies and RvB.
Gallastian Khanid SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1	Posted - 2013.07.28 03:20:00 - [43] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Gallastian Khanid wrote: etc etc . Actually I've have some quite good battles in this fitting snipPosting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited. ISD Ezwal I can hold people away from me yet hold then down and keep them from using their weapons against me (especially if they're using blasters). Main problem is Armour repaiers being feed off Cap Boosters. Results on both of us being unable to damage the other until ones capacitor goes flat or we give up and withdraw. And I know what went wrong here, I was auto-orbiting the Incursus when the rifter (and all the other random players in the system) came in. I didn't change my orbit allowing the rifter to get in range. snipPosting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited. ISD Ezwal was up against this fitting at first. so yeah perhaps pvp isn't as hard as I thought. Just wish people didn't keep warping in and spoiling the fight. The mods ruined your post. There's an old rule against posting killmails because of a long history of trolls. Can you please repost with a description of what was on each side and the date? I'll find the fights on eve-kill and then I'll understand what's up. 'Just wish people didn't keep warping in and spoiling the fight.' The meta game is a large part of what makes PvP in Eve rich and fulfilling. I feel you here, and let me tell you its going to get way, WAY worse as you fly more and discover wonderful things like Falcons, links alts, cynobait, resebo'd gate camps, etc but its all part of the game and you have to just deal with it. Please reread and think deeply about the part of my post where I talk about intel and preventing 12 dudes from warping in on you. There are a lot of great tools in your arsenal to make sure that doesn't happen, including Dscan, the Local channel, the in game map (shows players in space, jumps, and deaths in real time to spot populations densities), and the following websites: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/ Dotlan lets you check population in an area in the past hour/past 24 hours to get an idea of where to find active people, where to find carebears, and where to make sure there aren't too many dudes. If you click a region, the dropdown menu in the upper right lets you check the various statistics on the map. For example, lets look at Black Rise: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Black_Rise#kills24 I put in kills/24 hours so you can see where a lot of the action is. You see that the southern half of the region is always super duper hot with 100's of kills in each of the systems along the pipe running from Tama to Nenamaila. That's too damn hot. If you solo there you're likely to get blobbed. On the other hand, the Asakai pocket in the middle of the map has 1-5 kills per system. That sounds much more up your alley as a frigate soloist, but might be a little too quiet. Lets look for ratters by selecting NPC kills: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Black_Rise#npc24 Not many ratters in Black Rise, which makes sense because its a faction warfare zone and hence too PvP active to safely rat. The lit up areas are all high sec. However, in a non FW area of lowsec like Aridia: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Aridia#npc24 You can see a ton of ratting! Fageras actually is a fairly common Carrier ratting system. That means targets for drops, but probably not for your frigates. However, you might be able to kill a dude in Soliara or in the Karan area where TEST is currently deployed. Another tool you can use is eve-kill: http://eve-kill.net/ There's a search function that lets people put in names, for example here's all your kills: http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1675337 If I see only you in local and dscan a ship in a plex, I'd probably just fight you because I'm a baddy and just want fights. However, if I cared more I would click your name to check your character age (then decide immediately to fight you because I have 1.5 years on you and your corp is non-threatening), eve-kill you to check your experience your type of fits, and most importantly I can see that the majority of your kills are solo, so those 12 dudes probably aren't going to warp in to devour me. (Sorry ISD if you're about to prune all the killboard links out, but its for educational purposes). As you can see, there's a lot of information you can collect ahead of time to avoid getting crucified by 12 dudes. Hope that helps!
Gallastian Khanid SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 1	Posted - 2013.07.28 03:21:00 - [44] - Quote Donbe Scurred wrote: Trudeaux Margaret wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: Gallastian Khanid wrote: etc etc . Actually I've have some quite good battles in this fitting... You were just given a ton of advice from someone from one of the premier PvP training corps in the entire game. Don't blow it off like that. Jeez. I agree. Paul's fatal flaws (ignorance of game mechanics and entitlement) make him stick out like a sore thumb, his attitude does seem to be changing slowly but not enough. I think he'll be ok in the end though as long as he recognizes and works on these flaws. M8 the dude's just discussing the fine art of PvP. Just because I'm a Waffle doesn't mean he should listen to me automatically without thinking.
Tsukino Stareine The Red Circle Inc. 608	Posted - 2013.07.28 12:24:00 - [45] - Quote gallastian is one tasty waffle though. Something worth thinking about.
Alaric Faelen Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes 143	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:01:00 - [46] - Quote The number one thing all recruiters are looking for is an active player. SP is far less important than most people think. Even if the corp says they have some arbitrary SP requirement, most will ignore that point in favor of an active player. Number Two is attitude. PvP isn't about never dying. Much like a shooter, PvP in Eve entails dying often in fact. Sometimes in spectacular fashion. Give up caring about ships right now. Remember- Play to win, but don't mind losing. Not enough Eve players understand that. Pick a role. Eve rewards being social and fleeting up. Fleets have roles. You will be more useful if you learn a specific fleet role and put some effort into exploring that role in depth. Tackle, for example, is often the first role newbs are thrust into with cheap frigates- but it's by no means a simple or entry-level fleet role either. Professional grade tackle includes half billion isk Hictors pinning down capital ships. Being good with the D-Scan is critical. It cannot be over-stated how important the 'D' is to life in the unfriendly skies. Knowing how to get intel from the map is another skill no PvE teaches, but separates the tourists from the residents in low/null sec. Give PvP scope. Find a 'cause' to fight for. Kill mails are not a 'cause'. No one cares about your kill mails unless they are funny. If all you are fighting for is a kill mail, but risking a ship that you really lose...PvP will quickly lose it's appeal. But if you PvP for a reason, then losses are just part of a larger whole. The Dictor pilot for example, often dies in his own bubble. But that one ship can pin down an entire enemy fleet so that your comrades can apply their gentle affections. People who see PvP as just a win/loss proposition have missed the point entirely. Concentrate at first on ships that are useable in a variety of fleets. For null sec I always sing the praises of the Interdictor. Virtually no null sec fleet undocks without them. No other ship is so utterly vital to a fleet, yet is a role totally within the grasp of the new player. Nothing is more important than finding people to fly with. I call BS on the whole solo thing in Eve. It's really 1% actual skilled PvP'ers and 99% anti-social carebears who use the excuse of solo for not having friends or being afraid to look goofy in front of people. It's just a game and you'll notice that most serious PvP'ers make a point of mocking their own skill at Eve Online. Make friends, die horribly, laugh uncontrollably. You'll very quickly quit caring about losing internet spaceships.
Latrell Frederick Fleet of the West 0	Posted - 2013.07.28 22:34:00 - [47] - Quote Just be sure to keep trying no matter what, and you'll improve in the PVP aspect soon enough! The Fleet of the West draws near www.fleetofthewest.com
Theseus Lugoves The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.07.30 16:17:00 - [48] - Quote What I've learned so far is that I get scrammed and webbed and destroyed in a few seconds. :P
Gallastian Khanid SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 5	Posted - 2013.07.31 02:21:00 - [49] - Quote That's pretty good. Go for 10 seconds next time. When you can do that, 30. When you can do that, you're probably winning fights so just keep doing it.
Kara Corvinus Empyrean Acolytes 37	Posted - 2013.07.31 10:59:00 - [50] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: don't waste your time. pvp is impossible unless your an elite player with a much better character. Stick with missioning, its much safer. be a butthurt noob much? Ive had 1 week old characters in my fleets kill vexors.
Johnny Twelvebore The Tuskers 14	Posted - 2013.08.23 03:19:00 - [51] - Quote This is a bloody hard game, you are however doing exactly the right thing by asking questions. Unless you are some sort of super gamer then it would be impossible to learn all the stuff that surrounds pvp alone (gate guns, aggression etc etc). Find some likeminded friends and go shoot stuff with them. My advice is a thrasher with meta 3 guns (nice and cheap on buy orders), meta MWD, T2 MSE, meta scram, T2 DC and T2 Gyro. Load it with RF Phased plasma as default but carry EMP and Fusion too. Overload and attack bloody everything you see, you never know:) Thats how I started a year and a half ago and hopefully soon I will have got the hang of it:) Stay Frosty are about the best guys for a new pirate I can think of, join the eveoganda in game channel to chat to them. Bloody hell, another eve blog! http://johnnytwelvebore.wordpress.com

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