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Khal Falcor State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.07.22 15:22:00 - [1] - Quote New player here just finished the tutorial and working on the military career missions. I want to get into pvp asap (perhaps a little mining on the side to fund pvp), when should I look to join a newbie friendly pvp corp to start learning? Should I finish all lthe career missions first? Any pvp corps that may welcome a new player that is willing to invest alot of time into learning?
Paul Otichoda Electric Sun Associates 19	Posted - 2013.07.22 15:27:00 - [2] - Quote don't waste your time. pvp is impossible unless your an elite player with a much better character. Stick with missioning, its much safer.
Hessian Arcturus S.W.O.R.D. Navy 288	Posted - 2013.07.22 15:33:00 - [3] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: don't waste your time. pvp is impossible unless your an elite player with a much better character. Stick with missioning, its much safer. Utter bullshit!!! Dont listen to him... Jump into PvP as soon as you like, all corps need a tackle (someone who stops the enemy from getting away) and you can do it in a fast frigate with just a couple of hours training. Sure you might die a fair few times but each time you die you learn how to better yourself at pvp. Even message the guy who killed you for pointers... There are a lot of newbie friendly corps that teach pvp, some are big some are small. Red vs Blue, Eve Uni and Brave Newbies are just some that take new players and teach them pvp basics through to bigger ship pvp. As for when should you start looking. As soon as you feel you want to... It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Atkins Friendly NightWatch Ind 13	Posted - 2013.07.22 15:43:00 - [4] - Quote Agreed with Hessian, PVP can be joined at anytime. Even noobs. Corps likes Red vs Blue and Brave Newbies accept any low level skill pilots. If corps arent your thing join the chat channels like Bombers Bar or The Condors Bar. They tend to be a newb friendly group. Although the bombers bar might take some skills to be able to fly cloaky :). Either way, dont let Pauls comment discourage you from pvp.
Kalanaja Dog Nation United The East India Co. 48	Posted - 2013.07.22 15:49:00 - [5] - Quote To really get into PVP. Get some frigates together. Take whatever races ships you like and mess with them. If you want to mess with Gallente ships get some Atrons, Tristans and the mother of all meanies in the Gallente lineup the Incursus. If you want to mess with Minmatar get some Slashers, Rifters and maybe some Breachers for something. For Caldari get some Condors, Merlins and some Kestrels if you want to go missile. Amarr, easily done. Punishers, Tormentors and Executioners. You can even mix it up with Crucifiers, Vigils, Griffins or Maulus if you want to learn EWAR.
Khal Falcor State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.07.22 15:54:00 - [6] - Quote Thanks for the feedback, I was hoping I would be able to start learning and then later on, when I get the hang of it, if I felt like SP was holding me back I could buy a character and have it transferred to my account
Atkins Friendly NightWatch Ind 13	Posted - 2013.07.22 15:57:00 - [7] - Quote Looking at Paul killmail and his history, no wonder he is so upset about it. to be honest, I'm surprised he is still playing Eve. :) Do no do what pauls does. Which is take a ton of frigates/haulers into low sec without any friends or knowledge of the capabilities of your ship. Get in a noob friendly corp, let them teach you how PVP works, and be patient with it. You arent going to master the craft overnight :) GL Flysafe
Thanatos Marathon Black Fox Marauders 8	Posted - 2013.07.22 16:14:00 - [8] - Quote Step one is to find a pew pew corp. I suggest FW or a pirate group operating in FW space because the nature of combat plexes makes it easier to get fights in smaller hull sizes (frigs, dessies). If you do join FW you can also make your isk off LP.
Woeful Animation Turalyon Plus 30	Posted - 2013.07.22 16:18:00 - [9] - Quote I agree. Faction Warfare is probably the best place to start learning pew pew. Many have new player starter packs. Ships at low cost and a diverse group of players with knowledge in other areas like exploration or industry. The basics of 'plexing' and learning to choose your fights helps the new player. Strategy and tactics come with time and experience, plus your ability to learn from your mistakes and correct them. Good Luck
Max Godsnottlingson Bitter Veterans 209	Posted - 2013.07.22 16:34:00 - [10] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: don't waste your time. pvp is impossible unless your an elite player with a much better character. Stick with missioning, its much safer. Be aware that this guy is an idiot who really needs a talking too from a mod for some of his posts on the New Citizens forum. However, that said, PvP can be difficult to start with, but that's the case with most stuff in Eve, you have to 'serve your time and learn your craft.' The two best options for a newbie PvPer are 1. Faction Warfare, get in with a good crew who will help you develope 2. Red vs Blue player Corp war. These are matched Corps who fight an eternal war. This is the option that I would recommend as it is aimed at guys like you. Great for a quick blast and lots of folks to help you out, on both sides.
Shizu Eisenkreuz Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2013.07.22 17:39:00 - [11] - Quote I'm a pvp noob myself: 7m sp, started some pvp about a week ago. You should try factional warfare with cheap frigates. Stick to quiet systems and you'll pretty much get pvp on your own terms, as long as you use your d-scan. If you are inside a plex, you can't be jumped on. You'll get plenty of time to see incoming enemies and decide if you want to fight or escape to your safe spots. FW plexes are also restricted to specific ship classes (T1 and racial frigates in novice plexes, up to destroyers in small plexes), so while you are inside, you can't be attacked by bigger stuff. In the militia chat they are a bit paranoid about spies (and rightly so) but you won't get flamed for newbie questions. In fact, I found quite a few people willing to chat and help new players. At the beginning, your killmail history WILL be awful. It's a fact. There's no way around the learning process and I expect my record to be pretty miserable for a while. But it's ok. That's why I fly cheapass ships, despite my ability to farm L4s with a Maelstrom. Except my last pod, all my losses have been pretty much irrelevant, isk-wise. And the last pod serves me right for not flying away immediatly when I spotted an incursus in my d-scan, flown by a 8 years old pilot. Instead, I decided to "see what he wanna do", while keeping the hacking mini-game open. All my losses so far have been from fights I've actively put myself into, or completely avoidable accidents. Also, if you join FW you don't need to mine. Income from plexing isn't so far behind level 4 missions. And you can do it in a 1M frigate.
Obunagawe 190	Posted - 2013.07.22 19:56:00 - [12] - Quote Most older players will tell you "You can do it!" "PvP isn't hard!" "Lose 100 Rifters!" for the sole purpose of populating lowsec with easy kills for themselves.
Khal Falcor State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.07.22 20:07:00 - [13] - Quote Obunagawe wrote: Most older players will tell you "You can do it!" "PvP isn't hard!" "Lose 100 Rifters!" for the sole purpose of populating lowsec with easy kills for themselves. so what is your advice? Don't pvp? Join a corp and pvp in groups?
Atkins Friendly NightWatch Ind 15	Posted - 2013.07.22 20:11:00 - [14] - Quote Obunagawe wrote: Most older players will tell you "You can do it!" "PvP isn't hard!" "Lose 100 Rifters!" for the sole purpose of populating lowsec with easy kills for themselves. note quite. Yes we want you to get out there and explorer. The majority of us here on the forums are actualy trying to help out newbies like yourself. I personally like fleeting up with a bunch of newbs and taking them to lowsec for some PVP fun with people who've been playing for years. Look at my recent killboard and you will see me with a bunch of guys (some only a month old) flying with me. So yes, to all newbies, populate lowsec together and get easy kills.
Hessian Arcturus S.W.O.R.D. Navy 288	Posted - 2013.07.22 20:42:00 - [15] - Quote Atkins Friendly wrote: Obunagawe wrote: Most older players will tell you "You can do it!" "PvP isn't hard!" "Lose 100 Rifters!" for the sole purpose of populating lowsec with easy kills for themselves. note quite. Yes we want you to get out there and explorer. The majority of us here on the forums are actualy trying to help out newbies like yourself. I personally like fleeting up with a bunch of newbs and taking them to lowsec for some PVP fun with people who've been playing for years. Look at my recent killboard and you will see me with a bunch of guys (some only a month old) flying with me. So yes, to all newbies, populate lowsec together and get easy kills. Exactly this! Myself in a Cormorant (Caldari Destroyer) another guy in a Cormorant and three other guys in frigates took on a guy in a Vexor. The guy who was quite a lot older then myself and others, killed all but two of us (including myself), but we managed to kill him and he thanked us for an actual decent fight, he very nearly had us. I got top damage and its one of the kills I am most proud of as it was one of my first when I was only a month or two old... So newbies in force can do a fair bit of damage! It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Ned Taggart EVE University Ivy League 9	Posted - 2013.07.22 20:51:00 - [16] - Quote First, i would do all the starter missions and maybe the Sisters Of Eve Epic Arc. This will give you money and a few ships. Plus it will allow you time to get some basic skills up. Then join a PvP friendly corp. As others have said, you can fly a tackler really early on. You can build out a cheap one for under a mil each. Good corps that PvP often have a ship replacement program for newbros. Also, remember, PvP isn't always fighting others. Sometimes it is avoiding those fights. It's a lot of fun to be in a system with a lot of people hunting and trying to kill you and managing to make it out.
Thomas Builder Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2013.07.22 20:52:00 - [17] - Quote In some sense Paul is right: solo PvP will require a lot more skill points and knowledge of the game than you have. However, nobody said that you need to try PvP solo. EVE is an MMO, join a corp. Red&Blue and Brave Newbies are the most known "newbie friendly PvP corps", but there are many other, smaller ones out there too. And you can always join the Faction Warfare NPC corps - even though people are a bit suspicious of those NPC corp members, you should still be able to join fleets and maybe find a corp this way. And then there are teaching corps: EVE University recently opened their classes for everyone and for PvP specifically there's Agony Unleached. Finally, you could still try solo PvP: you will most likely lose every time, but you will gain knowledge that will help you once you have the skill points to be competitive.
Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 367	Posted - 2013.07.22 21:11:00 - [18] - Quote While just immediately signing up for Faction Warfare or Red v Blue or even joining a low-sec corporation right after doing the tutorials is certainly an option, and PvP in Eve is quite fun, I would caution that learning how to PvP involves blowing up a lot. So I would spend a month or so figuring out how you're going to get the isk income to replace your ships before you get really serious about it. Of the options, FW is probably the best for a new player, as you can sell the stuff you buy with loyalty points to replace stuff, and your home region is still safe to run missions even while you're in the militia. Paul Otichoda wrote: don't waste your time. pvp is impossible unless your an elite player with a much better character. Stick with missioning, its much safer. I'm like 99% sure this post is a joke. So... please don't make jokes like this in the new player forum, new players don't really have the background to understand that you're parodying other common posts.
Praxis Ginimic Dark Knight Legion The Hydra Confederacy 402	Posted - 2013.07.22 22:46:00 - [19] - Quote Solo isn't a new player's game but there certainly are ways to get your feet wet without taking too much risk. I have a weird and random work schedule so I end up flying alone most of the time. This was difficult when learning the basics of pvp. You learn SO much faster with a small group of seasoned vets. Solutions: -Get into the public channel of a dedicated pvp corp or alliance so you always have some one to ask questions or brag to. -Spam duel requests in starter systems like the one you're doing the tutorial missions in. -Steal from wrecks in belts, anoms, combat exploration sites to encourage the local ratters to open fire. -Scan down profession sites in low sec and wait right on the warp-in for helpless explo-frigs to land. Random tips: -Look up some good faction warfare corps (emphasis on good) and check their losses on battle clinic or kill net for examples of what a good pvp fit looks like. -The d-scanner takes a lot of practice to interpret well. Start now. -If you just sit in low sec waiting for pvp to find you, it will. The people actively hunting for kills know what they are doing and will rofl-stomp you. Keep moving. Look for ratters in belts and anoms that may not be fit for pvp. It is a nice easy introduction that will help you figure out the mechanics and techniques without worrying about a hardened pvp'er laughing at your best attempts. -Don't be afraid to chat in local. Low sec isn't worm space. A lot of us pirates recruit from the belts and our corp kill boards. Keep good attitude about losing and the guy who just blew you up may help you to win the next one.
arktyus Turalyon Plus 5	Posted - 2013.07.23 00:30:00 - [20] - Quote I solo in FW with low sp. when I had around 1 million sp I was at a huge disadvantage. But once you can use t2 weapons/mods and overheat your racks it becomes pretty even sp wise. The experience is what you will need. What ship is looking to kite and what ship wants to brawl. What to do in certain situations. Tons of stuff to learn! Reading will help but once that ship jumps on you, you need that experience to stay calm.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1296	Posted - 2013.07.23 03:25:00 - [21] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: don't waste your time. pvp is impossible unless your an elite player with a much better character. Stick with missioning, its much safer. successful troll is successful. @topic: i recently got back into faction warfare. looking at it i came to the conclusion that it is probably the best way to start out in pvp. you get to learn how to survive in hostile space, get taught the basics of fleet combat and can easily sustain yourself from the LP you earn. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
lollerwaffle Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE 73	Posted - 2013.07.23 03:43:00 - [22] - Quote At a new player's level, the hard bit about PVP-ing isn't your lack of skill points, it's your lack of knowledge and experience on common fits, mechanics of the various types of PVP, common tactics, hostile and/or blobby areas etc. To solve this, you'll want to look towards joining a DECENT corp. This cannot be stressed enough. Joining newbie corps where the CEO/directors have no clue about PVP and 'aim to learn and grow together' just means you'll make easy targets for wardec corps while not learning anything about PVP, apart from staying docked. This will sour your perception of PVP in general, like that Paul guy. Your best way forwards is joining a corp that resides in low sec, either a full time PVP corp or one that does it on a regular basis along with other activities, which can include making ISK in lowsec. These players will be able to impart knowledge on the above and having a wingman (or flying as one) is always fun in a social game. Get a mic if you can, since PVP relies heavily on voice communication, and most corps will require you to at least listen in, even if you don't have a mic. As for income, you don't really need to mine on the side, especially if you don't enjoy it. You'll also be forced to train up mining skills which will have no relevance to your PVP activities, and for newbies, this is a waste of time, since specializing will make you more competitive that much faster. Since you have PVP skills, which also include core skills such as fittings/DPS/Tank etc, look to making ISK via combat, for example missions, joining FW and farming plexes (which give you PVP as a side benefit), exploration (which help teach you scanning/probing skills) etc., ransoming (rare but payout can be substantial). Good luck and good hunting o7
Sir Clik Viziam Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2013.07.23 08:00:00 - [23] - Quote Except for the couple of trolls all advice given is exactly what you need. My couple of cents: Do not hesitate to take risks, in fact look for risks. Dare to accept engagements where you are outclassed. Use every engagement to learn something. Fly forward o7
Tsukino Stareine The Red Circle Inc. 547	Posted - 2013.07.23 09:47:00 - [24] - Quote Sign up for a corp militia, most will be quite happy to throw a few frigates your way and once you've helped in some kills and capturing some plexes (they're like domination points in CoD) you'll be able to fund yourself EASILY.
Disastro Wrecking Shots Black Legion. 87	Posted - 2013.07.23 11:42:00 - [25] - Quote Khal Falcor wrote: New player here just finished the tutorial and working on the military career missions. I want to get into pvp asap (perhaps a little mining on the side to fund pvp), when should I look to join a newbie friendly pvp corp to start learning? Should I finish all lthe career missions first? Any pvp corps that may welcome a new player that is willing to invest alot of time into learning? You can start pvp early in your eve career. You will need to train certain skills asap before you go heavy on pvp. As a suggestion I would forget about mining for making your money for two reasons: 1. The skills you put into mining wont help you in pvp and will take time away from training pvp related skills 2. At least some of the skills you would train for developing a character for ratting/missioning are useful to you in pvp as well as in pve. This would cut your getting ready to pvp now time considerably. Skills related to tank, gunnery, missiles are all just as useful in pvp as they are in pve.
Shane Saken Black Rise Tactical Solutions 6	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:40:00 - [26] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: don't waste your time. pvp is impossible unless your an elite player with a much better character. Stick with missioning, its much safer. Oh paul up to the usual pvp troll. I am a noob just like you, i just hit my 1 mil SP mark yesterday. Best thing for you is get into a corp that is gonna help you out and run tackle for em while you work on skills. Tackle is not SP demanding and will let you learn the basics of pvp while leveling up skills. Another thing, in EVE bigger is not always better so do not try and rush into a big shiny ship, cause sure you can get the ship command skill to it within a week or 2, but all your other skills will be no where near up to par and that brand new shiny talos you got is gonna get blown into a cloud of dust before you know what hit you. What i have learned (oh and this is my 4th try at eve, think im finally gonna stick around) is take it slow. The biggest id say go in your first few months is a Cruiser(dont take it for pvp though cause it can be an expensive lost for a newer player) as cruisers can breeze through just about any LVL2 mission and you can start building up your wallet while your skills train up.
Shane Saken Black Rise Tactical Solutions 6	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:42:00 - [27] - Quote Also if you are interested in joining a Corp reach out to me and ill put you in contact with my recruiter. Smaller Corp but our CEO and quite a few of our members are very experienced and have been playing for a while.
Paul Otichoda Electric Sun Associates 20	Posted - 2013.07.23 22:43:00 - [28] - Quote Lost Greybeard wrote: . Paul Otichoda wrote: don't waste your time. pvp is impossible unless your an elite player with a much better character. Stick with missioning, its much safer. I'm like 99% sure this post is a joke. So... please don't make jokes like this in the new player forum, new players don't really have the background to understand that you're parodying other common posts. No it isn't http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1675337 I keep on trying to improve at pvp but each and every time it just chews me up. If you find a good lone target they warp off or call in back up. All the othertimes its gate camps, smart bomb battleships, tech 2 blasters faction frigates next to the warp in point. There is no fun in pvp. All of the guides on the web are so generic and useless that there is no point.

ISD Flidais Asagiri ISD Community Communications Liaisons 92	Posted - 2013.07.23 22:57:00 - [29] - Quote Greetings Great topic and good discussion, let's keep it to the subject and keep recruiting in the recruiting channels where it belongs. I would hate to see a good thread get locked for off topic posting or ranting. On On ISD Flidais Asagiri Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Jonah Gravenstein Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths 11250	Posted - 2013.07.23 23:19:00 - [30] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: No it isn't http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1675337 I keep on trying to improve at pvp but each and every time it just chews me up. If you find a good lone target they warp off or call in back up. All the othertimes its gate camps, smart bomb battleships, tech 2 blasters faction frigates next to the warp in point. There is no fun in pvp. All of the guides on the web are so generic and useless that there is no point. You're going up against experienced players solo and losing to them, there's nothing wrong with that at all. You should learn from every fight ~~as a newbie~~ if you can. Solo and small gang PvP is more about your personal experience and knowledge than your characters skillset. Have you spoken to your opponents, asked them questions etc? Try variants on your weapons, you seem to like missiles, try rockets instead, you have to be closer but you can flit in and out of tackle range while dealing more dps because of the faster rof. As long as you learn from your opponents then every loss you learn from is a small win. 90% of PvP is you, not your character. Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt

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