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Spineker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:25:00 -
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People's Republic ofChina wrote:Spineker wrote:Yeah the CN stores have been pushed to a level there is hardly any profit for most items. I am sort of kind of lazy so if I get 500isk / LP exchange I feel lucky. Incursions really screwed some of the stores which is what the devs wanted which was to NERF yet again missions to once again EpicFail at forcing their customers to play the way they want us too.. Sad really. Yes, it was definitely CCPs creation of incursions that screwed up LP store prices and not the extreme popularity of certain factions in general. I know I get a heck of a lot better than 500, averaging 1400LP/isk filling buy contracts, even more if I have the patience to wait for my own contracts to sell. Apparently even that isn't a good value for LP / isk but it's already more effort than I want to put into it.
Yeah something like the CNR gets about 465isk to LP. Assuming you use 600k lp and Raven and Nexus chip. If you find the chip that only cuts about 7 million off the profit. Of course this is a big ticket item but easiest to deal with the market with.
The last one I sold two days ago I let go at 330 million because they just aren't as popular anymore.
Caldari Missiles cost 3million isk right off plus the standard missile even here you could most likely make a bit more but selling them at a 1000 isk each that is only 5million isk - 3mil - 5000 standard missiles, so even here it is only 400 to 500 isk/lp ratio.
Not worth the marketing and seeding the market with them. To me anyway. |

Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
50
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:52:00 -
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XXSketchxx wrote:... pretending hes some saint by plugging his "plan" in every post really doesn't make him much different, wouldn't you agree?
I don't agree!
DMC has done a lot of work to develop a detailed and very useful 'plan' to help wayward mission runners rehabilitate the low faction standings that come from one-sided mission running. There is no better 'tool' in that respect! All the same, not everyone needs / wants recourse to that tool ... and some don't realise or anticipate the possibility that they may need it in the future.
I think DMC can be justly proud of that effort. What he has done is a help to many within eve. He has built something without hurting anyone or destroying anything else ... except perhaps myth, rumour, and misinformation.
As such I see no problem at all with his referring to 'the plan' wherever it seems relevant, and when he misses a relevant posting I have no problem with also making that reference. It's a great tool, and quickly drawing ppl's attention to it often helps them quickly respond to their troubling low standings.
Your approach and style is your business, but I do not see you as having any legitimate cause to deride someone who has put so much constructive effort into building something that is so widely useful. Of course, I also accept that having no legitimate business is not something that necessarily limits or restricts ppl in these forums. |

Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
9
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:09:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:XXSketchxx wrote:... pretending hes some saint by plugging his "plan" in every post really doesn't make him much different, wouldn't you agree? I don't agree! DMC has done a lot of work to develop a detailed and very useful 'plan' to help wayward mission runners rehabilitate the low faction standings that come from one-sided mission running. There is no better 'tool' in that respect! All the same, not everyone needs / wants recourse to that tool ... and some don't realise or anticipate the possibility that they may need it in the future. I think DMC can be justly proud of that effort. What he has done is a help to many within eve. He has built something without hurting anyone or destroying anything else ... except perhaps myth, rumour, and misinformation. As such I see no problem at all with his referring to 'the plan' wherever it seems relevant, and when he misses a relevant posting I have no problem with also making that reference. It's a great tool, and quickly drawing ppl's attention to it often helps them quickly respond to their troubling low standings. Your approach and style is your business, but I do not see you as having any legitimate cause to deride someone who has put so much constructive effort into building something that is so widely useful. Of course, I also accept that having no legitimate business is not something that necessarily limits or restricts ppl in these forums. dmc sock puppet
dumb negra |

Philboyd Benoit
Dependable Ore Minerals Export New Eden Research.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:36:00 -
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As far as I'm concerned DMC has earned his right to publicize his FSRP. He most certainly is more helpful to both new and experienced players then the trollers on this board. Therein lies the difference on why he will always be a better more accepted member of the community.
Methinks the trollers are just jealous. You can flame me all you want for my support of him but it will only fall on deaf ears.
DMC ROCKS and there aint **** you can do about it...lol
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XXSketchxx
Remote Soviet Industries
63
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:24:00 -
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Unless he is getting some sort of royalties every time someone uses his plan, then posting it in EVERY THREAD REGARDING STANDINGS EVEN WHEN SOMEONE ELSE ALREADY HAS is just looking for attention and a "way to go boy" with a pat on the back.
That's borderline pathetic. |

Prophet Mandalore
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:21:00 -
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It's not "Necessary", you just can't really auto pilot around in that space. |

People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
4
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:45:00 -
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Spineker wrote:People's Republic ofChina wrote:Spineker wrote:Yeah the CN stores have been pushed to a level there is hardly any profit for most items. I am sort of kind of lazy so if I get 500isk / LP exchange I feel lucky. Incursions really screwed some of the stores which is what the devs wanted which was to NERF yet again missions to once again EpicFail at forcing their customers to play the way they want us too.. Sad really. Yes, it was definitely CCPs creation of incursions that screwed up LP store prices and not the extreme popularity of certain factions in general. I know I get a heck of a lot better than 500, averaging 1400LP/isk filling buy contracts, even more if I have the patience to wait for my own contracts to sell. Apparently even that isn't a good value for LP / isk but it's already more effort than I want to put into it. Yeah something like the CNR gets about 465isk to LP. Assuming you use 600k lp and Raven and Nexus chip. If you find the chip that only cuts about 7 million off the profit. Of course this is a big ticket item but easiest to deal with the market with. The last one I sold two days ago I let go at 330 million because they just aren't as popular anymore. Caldari Missiles cost 3million isk right off plus the standard missile even here you could most likely make a bit more but selling them at a 1000 isk each that is only 5million isk - 3mil - 5000 standard missiles, so even here it is only 400 to 500 isk/lp ratio. Not worth the marketing and seeding the market with them. To me anyway.
>mfw you're selling ships and ammo and wonder why your conversion rate sucks
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Josefine Etrange
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.27 03:14:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Yeah the CN stores have been pushed to a level there is hardly any profit for most items. I am sort of kind of lazy so if I get 500isk / LP exchange I feel lucky. Incursions really screwed some of the stores which is what the devs wanted which was to NERF yet again missions to once again EpicFail at forcing their customers to play the way they want us too.. Sad really.
If you get 10 times less for you LP that you would get at other agents, why the **** you are still flying for the same agents? And what this all got to do with incursions? Do you honestly believe someone buys cheap stuff from the caldari navy store when he can use his lp for much better stuff? |

Spineker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2011.10.27 03:27:00 -
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Josefine Etrange wrote:Spineker wrote:Yeah the CN stores have been pushed to a level there is hardly any profit for most items. I am sort of kind of lazy so if I get 500isk / LP exchange I feel lucky. Incursions really screwed some of the stores which is what the devs wanted which was to NERF yet again missions to once again EpicFail at forcing their customers to play the way they want us too.. Sad really. If you get 10 times less for you LP that you would get at other agents, why the **** you are still flying for the same agents? And what this all got to do with incursions? Do you honestly believe someone buys cheap stuff from the caldari navy store when he can use his lp for much better stuff?
Huh? Are you drunk or something? If you don't know what LP has to do with incursions perhaps you should not comment on the subject?
Because I like my agent? Because I like my space? Because I do? |

Spineker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2011.10.27 03:28:00 -
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People's Republic ofChina wrote:Spineker wrote:People's Republic ofChina wrote:Spineker wrote:Yeah the CN stores have been pushed to a level there is hardly any profit for most items. I am sort of kind of lazy so if I get 500isk / LP exchange I feel lucky. Incursions really screwed some of the stores which is what the devs wanted which was to NERF yet again missions to once again EpicFail at forcing their customers to play the way they want us too.. Sad really. Yes, it was definitely CCPs creation of incursions that screwed up LP store prices and not the extreme popularity of certain factions in general. I know I get a heck of a lot better than 500, averaging 1400LP/isk filling buy contracts, even more if I have the patience to wait for my own contracts to sell. Apparently even that isn't a good value for LP / isk but it's already more effort than I want to put into it. Yeah something like the CNR gets about 465isk to LP. Assuming you use 600k lp and Raven and Nexus chip. If you find the chip that only cuts about 7 million off the profit. Of course this is a big ticket item but easiest to deal with the market with. The last one I sold two days ago I let go at 330 million because they just aren't as popular anymore. Caldari Missiles cost 3million isk right off plus the standard missile even here you could most likely make a bit more but selling them at a 1000 isk each that is only 5million isk - 3mil - 5000 standard missiles, so even here it is only 400 to 500 isk/lp ratio. Not worth the marketing and seeding the market with them. To me anyway. >mfw you're selling ships and ammo and wonder why your conversion rate sucks
No it sucks for implants and BCU's and launchers and guns also. Well not sure about guns have not worked the math on those. There may be some implant that sales well don't know I didn't check them all. |

trexinatux
Bipedal Carnivore Club
11
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Posted - 2011.10.27 05:51:00 -
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Wow, this was more fun than anything on the main forum. Please, continue.  It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. |

People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
4
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Posted - 2011.10.27 07:48:00 -
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Spineker wrote:People's Republic ofChina wrote:Spineker wrote:People's Republic ofChina wrote:Spineker wrote:Yeah the CN stores have been pushed to a level there is hardly any profit for most items. I am sort of kind of lazy so if I get 500isk / LP exchange I feel lucky. Incursions really screwed some of the stores which is what the devs wanted which was to NERF yet again missions to once again EpicFail at forcing their customers to play the way they want us too.. Sad really. Yes, it was definitely CCPs creation of incursions that screwed up LP store prices and not the extreme popularity of certain factions in general. I know I get a heck of a lot better than 500, averaging 1400LP/isk filling buy contracts, even more if I have the patience to wait for my own contracts to sell. Apparently even that isn't a good value for LP / isk but it's already more effort than I want to put into it. Yeah something like the CNR gets about 465isk to LP. Assuming you use 600k lp and Raven and Nexus chip. If you find the chip that only cuts about 7 million off the profit. Of course this is a big ticket item but easiest to deal with the market with. The last one I sold two days ago I let go at 330 million because they just aren't as popular anymore. Caldari Missiles cost 3million isk right off plus the standard missile even here you could most likely make a bit more but selling them at a 1000 isk each that is only 5million isk - 3mil - 5000 standard missiles, so even here it is only 400 to 500 isk/lp ratio. Not worth the marketing and seeding the market with them. To me anyway. >mfw you're selling ships and ammo and wonder why your conversion rate sucks No it sucks for implants and BCU's and launchers and guns also. Well not sure about guns have not worked the math on those. There may be some implant that sales well don't know I didn't check them all.
Yes it does, doesn't it? Good thing they have that other type of item, you know, the one that requires some additional skills to make useful products but tend to have the higher conversion rates. |

Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
246
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Posted - 2011.10.27 07:58:00 -
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I think they should drop faction standing loss from running missions. |

People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
4
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Posted - 2011.10.27 08:06:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:I think they should drop faction standing loss from running missions.
That's pointless. That removes any sort of penalty from running missions. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
367

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Posted - 2011.10.27 08:20:00 -
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Offtopic posts removed. Please keep the discussion civil.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Josefine Etrange
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.10.27 10:50:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Josefine Etrange wrote:Spineker wrote:Yeah the CN stores have been pushed to a level there is hardly any profit for most items. I am sort of kind of lazy so if I get 500isk / LP exchange I feel lucky. Incursions really screwed some of the stores which is what the devs wanted which was to NERF yet again missions to once again EpicFail at forcing their customers to play the way they want us too.. Sad really. If you get 10 times less for you LP that you would get at other agents, why the **** you are still flying for the same agents? And what this all got to do with incursions? Do you honestly believe someone buys cheap stuff from the caldari navy store when he can use his lp for much better stuff? Huh? Are you drunk or something? If you don't know what LP has to do with incursions perhaps you should not comment on the subject? Because I like my agent? Because I like my space? Because I do?
You just told us that your tags make up for low LP value at your chosen lp stores. Others get 10 times what you get for their lp. So what is your problem?
No one in his right mind would use his Concord LP for worthless stuff. Your LP conserveration rate is not influenced at all be incursion runners lp. What influences your LP value seems to be the high value of your dogtags. At least if your were honest about their value.
God I hope you are just trolling me, because your lack of intelligence is hurting me. |
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