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Han Soleo Chelien
Prime Numbers
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Posted - 2013.07.25 16:03:00 -
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I am fairly familiar with how to close wormholes using HIC's and 100mn Battleships/Orca's. My corp does it all the time and we are pretty efficient at it now.
Recently I heard someone mention that you can thermally collapse a wormhole using scorch bombs after the WH has less than 50% of its allowable mass. It could have just been a troll post because it sounds absolutely ridiculous....but it did peak my curiosity. So I Googled it and could only find one Eve Forum post made several years ago about how the Goon's were doing this to collapse WH's.
My question is, has anyone on here done this recently or at least heard of it? |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Bitten.
319
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Posted - 2013.07.25 16:09:00 -
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Void Bombs seem more appropriate...
~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
Han Soleo Chelien
Prime Numbers
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Posted - 2013.07.25 16:27:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Void Bombs seem more appropriate...
So....you can use bombs to close wormholes? Can you explain the procedure? |
tgl3
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
342
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Posted - 2013.07.25 16:54:00 -
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You have to fire a void bomb directly at the center of the wormhole. It also has to be timed to go off exactly as it crosses the wormhole threshold. The reason being that the blast needs to be between both wormholes in order to destabilise both ends.
Because of the skill required to do it, most wormholers don't bother, which explains the rarity of this method.
EDIT - As you mentioned, the wormhole has to also be beneath half mass in order for the destabilisation to be effective. Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes [url]https://twitter.com/TG_3[/url] |
Han Soleo Chelien
Prime Numbers
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Posted - 2013.07.25 16:59:00 -
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tgl3 wrote:You have to fire a void bomb directly at the center of the wormhole. It also has to be timed to go off exactly as it crosses the wormhole threshold. The reason being that the blast needs to be between both wormholes in order to destabilise both ends.
Because of the skill required to do it, most wormholers don't bother, which explains the rarity of this method.
EDIT - As you mentioned, the wormhole has to also be beneath half mass in order for the destabilisation to be effective.
Wow....
You have to fire a bomb at it from both sides and have them land right on zero? I'm guessing the guy on the opposite side has to race the bomb to the wh and enter before it goes off as well?
Does this just take one hit or do you have to make several attempts?
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Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:12:00 -
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Han Soleo Chelien wrote:tgl3 wrote:You have to fire a void bomb directly at the center of the wormhole. It also has to be timed to go off exactly as it crosses the wormhole threshold. The reason being that the blast needs to be between both wormholes in order to destabilise both ends.
Because of the skill required to do it, most wormholers don't bother, which explains the rarity of this method.
EDIT - As you mentioned, the wormhole has to also be beneath half mass in order for the destabilisation to be effective. Wow.... You have to fire a bomb at it from both sides and have them land right on zero? I'm guessing the guy on the opposite side has to race the bomb to the wh and enter before it goes off as well? Does this just take one hit or do you have to make several attempts?
Be aware that, when you collapse a hole this way, you add a lot of energy to the wormhole from the bomb explosion. This means that when the hole collapses, it doesn't just collapse, it gives off a wave of energy, much like null sec gas clouds. So be sure your bomber is set to take that one time blast of 20k damage. |
tgl3
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:23:00 -
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Han Soleo Chelien wrote:tgl3 wrote:You have to fire a void bomb directly at the center of the wormhole. It also has to be timed to go off exactly as it crosses the wormhole threshold. The reason being that the blast needs to be between both wormholes in order to destabilise both ends.
Because of the skill required to do it, most wormholers don't bother, which explains the rarity of this method.
EDIT - As you mentioned, the wormhole has to also be beneath half mass in order for the destabilisation to be effective. Wow.... You have to fire a bomb at it from both sides and have them land right on zero? I'm guessing the guy on the opposite side has to race the bomb to the wh and enter before it goes off as well? Does this just take one hit or do you have to make several attempts? Void bombs take 2 bombs from both sides. Thermal can take 3 to 4 hits. No other bombs will work. Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes
Twitter - TG_3 |
Han Soleo Chelien
Prime Numbers
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:23:00 -
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Suffice it to say... my mind is blown
This is absolutely fascinating to me. Thanks for the info on this guys I'm going to have to test this out now. Do you guys know the theory behind how this works on wormholes? Is it a glitch? |
Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:28:00 -
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Han Soleo Chelien wrote:Suffice it to say... my mind is blownThis is absolutely fascinating to me. Thanks for the info on this guys I'm going to have to test this out now. Do you guys know the theory behind how this works on wormholes? Is it a glitch?
It may not work for you at first, the timing and aiming is Very tricky. But keep at it.
When it comes to wormholes, CCP never explained anything, they just left it to players to figure out as they went along. So all the tricks and such we know about them comes from players dreaming it up. |
Alexander McKeon
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.07.25 18:21:00 -
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I'd love to see a video of this in action, assuming it isn't all just a hoax. |
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Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Bitten.
325
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Posted - 2013.07.25 18:29:00 -
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Alexander McKeon wrote:I'd love to see a video of this in action, assuming it isn't all just a hoax.
This is a great idea. A better idea would be for OP to *Live* Stream his adventure. ~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
Han Soleo Chelien
Prime Numbers
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Posted - 2013.07.25 18:42:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Alexander McKeon wrote:I'd love to see a video of this in action, assuming it isn't all just a hoax. This is a great idea. A better idea would be for OP to *Live* Stream his adventure.
Funny thing is....I'm still skeptical lol. An idea like this floating around the recesses of the wormhole dwellers rumor mill, that is absolutely ridiculous sounding but yet still plausible enough to make one curious. It would be the ultimate hoax...or completely transform how I close wormholes. It could end in disaster, or success...depending on your perspective heh. |
MadbaM
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
42
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Posted - 2013.07.25 19:14:00 -
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Fun Fact.
A titan doomsday will also collapse a hole, also if you have enough Scorps/falcons you can ECM a hole close.
EDIT:
No bomber can tank that but you can leave grid before the explosion. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.07.25 19:53:00 -
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"It's getting hot in here, so lets close us some holes..." Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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Dr Agropoly
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
19
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:16:00 -
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The aoe is not that big so if you launch while approching really slow you won't get affected. |
Sedilis
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:28:00 -
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Bloody Hell. This has been a closely guarded secret known only to a few for the past few years. Trust Goons to let the cat out the bag.
Each bomb takes 1 Billion KG (+/- 10%) off the hole's mass provided they hit within one tick on the server. So to close a 3B hole you have to have to fire four bombs at a 3B hole in quick succession to collapse it.
Proof |
Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:30:00 -
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Han Soleo Chelien wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:Alexander McKeon wrote:I'd love to see a video of this in action, assuming it isn't all just a hoax. This is a great idea. A better idea would be for OP to *Live* Stream his adventure. Funny thing is....I'm still skeptical lol. An idea like this floating around the recesses of the wormhole dwellers rumor mill, that is absolutely ridiculous sounding but yet still plausible enough to make one curious. It would be the ultimate hoax...or completely transform how I close wormholes. It could end in disaster, or success...depending on your perspective heh. EDIT: Not sure how I missed it...but right off the bat I don't know of any bomber that can tank 20k worth of damage. That gives my skepticism a strong base to stand on.
Keep in mind its all thermal damage, so you can tank specifically. You can make a manticore fit with over 30k ehp against thermal damage, plenty of room for the bomb launcher.
But that's really not necessary since, like bombs, the damage is reduced a lot by a low sig radius. 20k is just the raw, optimal output. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Bitten.
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:36:00 -
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Sedilis wrote:Bloody Hell. This has been a closely guarded secret known only to a few for the past few years. Trust Goons to let the cat out the bag. Each bomb takes 1 Billion KG (+/- 10%) off the hole's mass provided they hit within one tick on the server. So to close a 3B hole you have to have to fire four bombs at a 3B hole in quick succession to collapse it. Proof
You made that look far too easy. You should tell him how long it took you guys to set up that shot.
OP, it takes a ton of practice to collapse it as efficiently as Sedilis demonstrated. ~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
Gnaw LF
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
447
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:40:00 -
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This needs to be "stickied" like right meow... |
Han Soleo Chelien
Prime Numbers
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:41:00 -
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Gummy Worm
WormLabs
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Posted - 2013.07.25 21:19:00 -
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Go easy on my man, lol. |
Ubersnug Dallocort
Lead Farmers Origin Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.07.25 21:26:00 -
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http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Scientifically+proven.+infomercials_c5e9e0_4209848.gif |
Winthorp
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.07.25 21:32:00 -
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Ohh you guys. |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
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Posted - 2013.07.25 21:51:00 -
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Thread of the year right here. |
Srensis
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:03:00 -
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What did I just read, this is gold and need to be archived. |
Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:07:00 -
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Srensis wrote:What did I just read, this is gold and need to be archived.
Seriously. I was especially impressed by the collapsing wormholes video that was zoomed out enough to block the view of any flashes occurring because of people returning and crushing the wormhole :p
Svo. CEO of Heaven's End; Seller of Wormholes. |
Han Soleo Chelien
Prime Numbers
4
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:34:00 -
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Gotta hand it to Hard Knocks Inc. It was a very well done effort as I was this close lol Going from disbelief to "OMG NO WAY" and back to reality again was quite amusing.
Thank you gentlemen!
...now to go scorch a wormhole... |
Sorany
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:10:00 -
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Han Soleo Chelien wrote:Gotta hand it to Hard Knocks Inc. It was a very well done effort as I was this close lol Going from disbelief to "OMG NO WAY" and back to reality again was quite amusing. Thank you gentlemen! ...now to go scorch a wormhole...
that wasn't us....
we are terrible, and far more likely to blow up our own bombers. |
QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.07.25 23:14:00 -
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You guys have seriously impressed me. Good job. |
Draconic Slayer
Daktaklakpak.
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Posted - 2013.07.26 01:57:00 -
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http://www.reddit.com/r/evewormhole/comments/1ilc9x/c4_wormhole_collapsing_procedure/cb8ofuu
Was this you asking about it yesterday? |
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Prakresh Freir
Wormbro Ocularis Inferno
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Posted - 2013.07.26 02:10:00 -
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Draconic Slayer wrote:http://www.reddit.com/r/evewormhole/comments/1ilc9x/c4_wormhole_collapsing_procedure/cb8ofuu
Was this you asking about it yesterday?
That would be me :3
in other news: Man finds one simple trick to close wormhole! Orcas hate him!!!! |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.07.26 02:10:00 -
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Sorany wrote:Han Soleo Chelien wrote:Gotta hand it to Hard Knocks Inc. It was a very well done effort as I was this close lol Going from disbelief to "OMG NO WAY" and back to reality again was quite amusing. Thank you gentlemen! ...now to go scorch a wormhole... that wasn't us.... we are terrible, and far more likely to blow up our own bombers.
I'll take it, any +rep is good +rep right? Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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Han Soleo Chelien
Prime Numbers
5
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Posted - 2013.07.26 03:10:00 -
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Draconic Slayer wrote:http://www.reddit.com/r/evewormhole/comments/1ilc9x/c4_wormhole_collapsing_procedure/cb8ofuu
Was this you asking about it yesterday?
I was the one OP in that one too ;) |
SpatchulaMan66
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.26 03:17:00 -
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Han Soleo Chelien wrote:Gotta hand it to Hard Knocks Inc. It was a very well done effort as I was this close lol Going from disbelief to "OMG NO WAY" and back to reality again was quite amusing. Thank you gentlemen! ...now to go scorch a wormhole...
Yes Sedilis from Hard Knocks aka the biggest wormhole blob corp in EVE now. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
313
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Posted - 2013.07.26 04:19:00 -
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SpatchulaMan66 wrote:Yes Sedilis from Hard Knocks aka the biggest wormhole blob corp in EVE now.
Confirming all of this is true Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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solan Onren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.07.26 04:27:00 -
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SpatchulaMan66 wrote:Han Soleo Chelien wrote:Gotta hand it to Hard Knocks Inc. It was a very well done effort as I was this close lol Going from disbelief to "OMG NO WAY" and back to reality again was quite amusing. Thank you gentlemen! ...now to go scorch a wormhole... Yes Sedilis from Hard Knocks aka the biggest wormhole blob corp in EVE now.
because alt posting is cool. AMIRITE!?!?!? |
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
259
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Posted - 2013.07.26 04:30:00 -
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This thread is golden <3 www.wormholefundamentals.com www.youtube.com/user/asayanami |
Utremi Fasolasi
The Jagged Edge Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2013.07.26 04:57:00 -
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MadbaM wrote:Fun Fact.
A titan doomsday will also collapse a hole, also if you have enough Scorps/falcons you can ECM a hole close.
EDIT:
No bomber can tank that but you can leave grid before the explosion.
No, during some Sansha live events the devs played along with some RPers who were doing ECMy stuff to the Sansha wormholes but it does not have any actual game effect. |
Jess Tanner
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.07.26 05:39:00 -
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Ayeson wrote:SpatchulaMan66 wrote:Yes Sedilis from Hard Knocks aka the biggest wormhole blob corp in EVE now. Confirming all of this is true
Secondary Confirmation |
Nix Anteris
Bite Me inc Bitten.
110
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Posted - 2013.07.26 06:14:00 -
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At least nobody has leaked how we're using energy transfers to regenerate stability when we're seeding capitals. |
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Han Soleo Chelien
Prime Numbers
6
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Posted - 2013.07.26 06:17:00 -
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This more accurately sums up how I felt as this thread progressed. haha
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Ubersnug Dallocort
Lead Farmers Origin Kill It With Fire
4
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Posted - 2013.07.26 08:07:00 -
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Nix Anteris wrote:At least nobody has leaked how we're using energy transfers to regenerate stability when we're seeding capitals.
Shh, we've already gave too much away in this thread! |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
230
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Posted - 2013.07.26 09:09:00 -
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Tisisan wrote:[quote=Han Soleo Chelien]
When it comes to wormholes, CCP never explained anything, they just left it to players to figure out as they went along. So all the tricks and such we know about them comes from players dreaming it up.
Fixed
When it comes to some game content, CCP never explained anything, they just left it to Devs who played the game to give inside knowledge to their select pet players and corps.
Eve has no new content so it's player base has actually taken to imagining it's own content and features and even putting them into practise, good times for the game, good times. |
Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
217
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Posted - 2013.07.26 10:10:00 -
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This thread. I love it. Sticky now a tutorial to close wormholes with bombs please. And energy neut's to destabilise it below 50%
Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me - |
Jivlain Pollard
The Red Circle Inc.
13
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Posted - 2013.07.26 10:20:00 -
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Take care though. Last time we did this six sleeper frigates spawned on grid, so you've got to get your bombers cloaked up quickly. |
Chester Floyd
Shadow Vanguard.
23
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:30:00 -
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For really spectacullar closing:
1. jump few bombers (max 8) at the same time 2. Hold your cloak untill it disappears 3. Dont move! when cloak drops, fire a bomb 4. Jump back or warp off
Firing bomb in this fashion will make the bomb "float" in the air and not travel 30 km.
P.S. Dont trust everything you hear in BB |
Nix Anteris
Bite Me inc Bitten.
113
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:57:00 -
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Chester Floyd wrote: 1. jump few bombers (max 8) at the same time 2. Hold your cloak untill it disappears 3. Dont move! when cloak drops, fire a bomb 4. Jump back or warp off
Firing bomb in this fashion will make the bomb "float" in the air and not travel 30 km.
Sorry, this thread is for actual mechanics, not your wishlist. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1394
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Posted - 2013.07.26 15:21:00 -
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Nix Anteris wrote:At least nobody has leaked how we're using energy transfers to regenerate stability when we're seeding capitals.
Seriously man?!? Why would you do this? WHY?!? Now everyone is going to know how we get our carriers from our C2 into other systems!! Biomass yourself! HTFU!...for the children! |
Vjorn Angannon
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
88
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Posted - 2013.07.26 15:30:00 -
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Sed!!! Why the {BLEEP} did you post that video????
Now others will figure out the bomber type correlation!! |
Nix Anteris
Bite Me inc Bitten.
117
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Posted - 2013.07.26 16:16:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Seriously man?!? Why would you do this? WHY?!? Now everyone is going to know how we get our carriers from our C2 into other systems!! Biomass yourself!
Well come on, it was logical really. Everyone knows we've been collapsing with neuts since forever (yes I can see hear peoples brains ticking over now - so that's why we always see Bitten with 10+ Bhaalgorns on their wormhole), so I thought people would have already worked out that the reverse is true. |
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Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines
510
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Posted - 2013.07.31 08:49:00 -
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Posting in thread of the year... |
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