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Han Soleo Chelien Prime Numbers 4	Posted - 2013.07.25 16:03:00 - [1] - Quote I am fairly familiar with how to close wormholes using HIC's and 100mn Battleships/Orca's. My corp does it all the time and we are pretty efficient at it now. Recently I heard someone mention that you can thermally collapse a wormhole using scorch bombs after the WH has less than 50% of its allowable mass. It could have just been a troll post because it sounds absolutely ridiculous....but it did peak my curiosity. So I Googled it and could only find one Eve Forum post made several years ago about how the Goon's were doing this to collapse WH's. My question is, has anyone on here done this recently or at least heard of it?
Proclus Diadochu Obstergo Bitten. 319	Posted - 2013.07.25 16:09:00 - [2] - Quote Void Bombs seem more appropriate... ~Boredom Breeds Direction~
Han Soleo Chelien Prime Numbers 4	Posted - 2013.07.25 16:27:00 - [3] - Quote Proclus Diadochu wrote: Void Bombs seem more appropriate... So....you can use bombs to close wormholes? Can you explain the procedure?
tgl3 Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms 342	Posted - 2013.07.25 16:54:00 - [4] - Quote You have to fire a void bomb directly at the center of the wormhole. It also has to be timed to go off exactly as it crosses the wormhole threshold. The reason being that the blast needs to be between both wormholes in order to destabilise both ends. Because of the skill required to do it, most wormholers don't bother, which explains the rarity of this method. EDIT - As you mentioned, the wormhole has to also be beneath half mass in order for the destabilisation to be effective. Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes [url]https://twitter.com/TG_3[/url]
Han Soleo Chelien Prime Numbers 4	Posted - 2013.07.25 16:59:00 - [5] - Quote tgl3 wrote: You have to fire a void bomb directly at the center of the wormhole. It also has to be timed to go off exactly as it crosses the wormhole threshold. The reason being that the blast needs to be between both wormholes in order to destabilise both ends. Because of the skill required to do it, most wormholers don't bother, which explains the rarity of this method. EDIT - As you mentioned, the wormhole has to also be beneath half mass in order for the destabilisation to be effective. Wow.... You have to fire a bomb at it from both sides and have them land right on zero? I'm guessing the guy on the opposite side has to race the bomb to the wh and enter before it goes off as well? Does this just take one hit or do you have to make several attempts?
Tisisan Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire 146	Posted - 2013.07.25 17:12:00 - [6] - Quote Han Soleo Chelien wrote: tgl3 wrote: You have to fire a void bomb directly at the center of the wormhole. It also has to be timed to go off exactly as it crosses the wormhole threshold. The reason being that the blast needs to be between both wormholes in order to destabilise both ends. Because of the skill required to do it, most wormholers don't bother, which explains the rarity of this method. EDIT - As you mentioned, the wormhole has to also be beneath half mass in order for the destabilisation to be effective. Wow.... You have to fire a bomb at it from both sides and have them land right on zero? I'm guessing the guy on the opposite side has to race the bomb to the wh and enter before it goes off as well? Does this just take one hit or do you have to make several attempts? Be aware that, when you collapse a hole this way, you add a lot of energy to the wormhole from the bomb explosion. This means that when the hole collapses, it doesn't just collapse, it gives off a wave of energy, much like null sec gas clouds. So be sure your bomber is set to take that one time blast of 20k damage.
tgl3 Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms 345	Posted - 2013.07.25 17:23:00 - [7] - Quote Han Soleo Chelien wrote: tgl3 wrote: You have to fire a void bomb directly at the center of the wormhole. It also has to be timed to go off exactly as it crosses the wormhole threshold. The reason being that the blast needs to be between both wormholes in order to destabilise both ends. Because of the skill required to do it, most wormholers don't bother, which explains the rarity of this method. EDIT - As you mentioned, the wormhole has to also be beneath half mass in order for the destabilisation to be effective. Wow.... You have to fire a bomb at it from both sides and have them land right on zero? I'm guessing the guy on the opposite side has to race the bomb to the wh and enter before it goes off as well? Does this just take one hit or do you have to make several attempts? Void bombs take 2 bombs from both sides. Thermal can take 3 to 4 hits. No other bombs will work. Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes Twitter - TG_3
Han Soleo Chelien Prime Numbers 4	Posted - 2013.07.25 17:23:00 - [8] - Quote Suffice it to say... my mind is blown This is absolutely fascinating to me. Thanks for the info on this guys I'm going to have to test this out now. Do you guys know the theory behind how this works on wormholes? Is it a glitch?
Tisisan Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire 146	Posted - 2013.07.25 17:28:00 - [9] - Quote Han Soleo Chelien wrote: Suffice it to say... my mind is blown This is absolutely fascinating to me. Thanks for the info on this guys I'm going to have to test this out now. Do you guys know the theory behind how this works on wormholes? Is it a glitch? It may not work for you at first, the timing and aiming is Very tricky. But keep at it. When it comes to wormholes, CCP never explained anything, they just left it to players to figure out as they went along. So all the tricks and such we know about them comes from players dreaming it up.
Alexander McKeon Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire 20	Posted - 2013.07.25 18:21:00 - [10] - Quote I'd love to see a video of this in action, assuming it isn't all just a hoax.

Proclus Diadochu Obstergo Bitten. 325	Posted - 2013.07.25 18:29:00 - [11] - Quote Alexander McKeon wrote: I'd love to see a video of this in action, assuming it isn't all just a hoax. This is a great idea. A better idea would be for OP to Live Stream his adventure. ~Boredom Breeds Direction~
Han Soleo Chelien Prime Numbers 4	Posted - 2013.07.25 18:42:00 - [12] - Quote Proclus Diadochu wrote: Alexander McKeon wrote: I'd love to see a video of this in action, assuming it isn't all just a hoax. This is a great idea. A better idea would be for OP to Live Stream his adventure. Funny thing is....I'm still skeptical lol. An idea like this floating around the recesses of the wormhole dwellers rumor mill, that is absolutely ridiculous sounding but yet still plausible enough to make one curious. It would be the ultimate hoax...or completely transform how I close wormholes. It could end in disaster, or success...depending on your perspective heh.
MadbaM Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire 42	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:14:00 - [13] - Quote Fun Fact. A titan doomsday will also collapse a hole, also if you have enough Scorps/falcons you can ECM a hole close. EDIT: No bomber can tank that but you can leave grid before the explosion.
Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire 311	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:53:00 - [14] - Quote "It's getting hot in here, so lets close us some holes..." Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
Dr Agropoly Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 19	Posted - 2013.07.25 20:16:00 - [15] - Quote The aoe is not that big so if you launch while approching really slow you won't get affected.
Sedilis Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 92	Posted - 2013.07.25 20:28:00 - [16] - Quote Bloody Hell. This has been a closely guarded secret known only to a few for the past few years. Trust Goons to let the cat out the bag. Each bomb takes 1 Billion KG (+/- 10%) off the hole's mass provided they hit within one tick on the server. So to close a 3B hole you have to have to fire four bombs at a 3B hole in quick succession to collapse it. Proof
Tisisan Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire 150	Posted - 2013.07.25 20:30:00 - [17] - Quote Han Soleo Chelien wrote: Proclus Diadochu wrote: Alexander McKeon wrote: I'd love to see a video of this in action, assuming it isn't all just a hoax. This is a great idea. A better idea would be for OP to Live Stream his adventure. Funny thing is....I'm still skeptical lol. An idea like this floating around the recesses of the wormhole dwellers rumor mill, that is absolutely ridiculous sounding but yet still plausible enough to make one curious. It would be the ultimate hoax...or completely transform how I close wormholes. It could end in disaster, or success...depending on your perspective heh. EDIT: Not sure how I missed it...but right off the bat I don't know of any bomber that can tank 20k worth of damage. That gives my skepticism a strong base to stand on. Keep in mind its all thermal damage, so you can tank specifically. You can make a manticore fit with over 30k ehp against thermal damage, plenty of room for the bomb launcher. But that's really not necessary since, like bombs, the damage is reduced a lot by a low sig radius. 20k is just the raw, optimal output.
Proclus Diadochu Obstergo Bitten. 329	Posted - 2013.07.25 20:36:00 - [18] - Quote Sedilis wrote: Bloody Hell. This has been a closely guarded secret known only to a few for the past few years. Trust Goons to let the cat out the bag. Each bomb takes 1 Billion KG (+/- 10%) off the hole's mass provided they hit within one tick on the server. So to close a 3B hole you have to have to fire four bombs at a 3B hole in quick succession to collapse it. Proof You made that look far too easy. You should tell him how long it took you guys to set up that shot. OP, it takes a ton of practice to collapse it as efficiently as Sedilis demonstrated. ~Boredom Breeds Direction~
Gnaw LF AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 447	Posted - 2013.07.25 20:40:00 - [19] - Quote This needs to be "stickied" like right meow...
Han Soleo Chelien Prime Numbers 4	Posted - 2013.07.25 20:41:00 - [20] - Quote http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbmt8vahdx1qe0eclo1_500.gif

Gummy Worm WormLabs 1	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:19:00 - [21] - Quote Go easy on my man, lol.
Ubersnug Dallocort Lead Farmers Origin Kill It With Fire 4	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:26:00 - [22] - Quote http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Scientifically+proven.+infomercials_c5e9e0_4209848.gif
Winthorp Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition. 173	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:32:00 - [23] - Quote Ohh you guys.
Jack Miton Semper Ubi Sub Ubi 2195	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:51:00 - [24] - Quote Thread of the year right here.
Srensis Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire 3	Posted - 2013.07.25 22:03:00 - [25] - Quote What did I just read, this is gold and need to be archived.
Svodola Darkfury Heaven's End League of Infamy 224	Posted - 2013.07.25 22:07:00 - [26] - Quote Srensis wrote: What did I just read, this is gold and need to be archived. Seriously. I was especially impressed by the collapsing wormholes video that was zoomed out enough to block the view of any flashes occurring because of people returning and crushing the wormhole :p Svo. CEO of Heaven's End; Seller of Wormholes.
Han Soleo Chelien Prime Numbers 4	Posted - 2013.07.25 22:34:00 - [27] - Quote Gotta hand it to Hard Knocks Inc. It was a very well done effort as I was this close lol Going from disbelief to "OMG NO WAY" and back to reality again was quite amusing. Thank you gentlemen! ...now to go scorch a wormhole...
Sorany Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire 75	Posted - 2013.07.25 23:10:00 - [28] - Quote Han Soleo Chelien wrote: Gotta hand it to Hard Knocks Inc. It was a very well done effort as I was this close lol Going from disbelief to "OMG NO WAY" and back to reality again was quite amusing. Thank you gentlemen! ...now to go scorch a wormhole... that wasn't us.... we are terrible, and far more likely to blow up our own bombers.
QT McWhiskers Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire 188	Posted - 2013.07.25 23:14:00 - [29] - Quote You guys have seriously impressed me. Good job.
Draconic Slayer Daktaklakpak. 30	Posted - 2013.07.26 01:57:00 - [30] - Quote http://www.reddit.com/r/evewormhole/comments/1ilc9x/c4_wormhole_collapsing_procedure/cb8ofuu Was this you asking about it yesterday?



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