Im sorry ...

Do not be sorry. You just called yourself out. Nobody stops you from fitting more expensive gear, unless you need a cookie cutter for it. You still have not explained how you are going to hold point for more than 5 minutes. I am still curious what your excuse for that is. I believe I wrote that one can take the launcher off and fit a cloak. You however fit yours without dampeners and then pride yourself with a bigger tank. You really are the cleverest here.

You seem fixated on damps

Yes, it has got a strong bonus to it. Otherwise is the Proteus better.

Nope proteus cant kyte and has like half the point range

soloing

Im going to stop right here, anyone that even thinks solo, recon and kyting proteus in the same discussion is not worth my time. Feel free to continue being a bad tho o/

I and most people that do :elitesmallgangpvp: have realised that damps are of absolutely no use outside of pointing and damping a solo pve'er and waiting on your gang mates to come gank them.

ITT Bads who havent realised damps are **** in gangs

Do yourself a favour, watch the alliance tournament (back today at 13:30) and do not tell anyone.

ITT Bads who havent realised damps are **** in gangs.

While this statement isnt true for armour or cov ops gangs, the Lach is better for shield gangs, I fly the following fit.

[Lachesis, Standard Nano]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

But that's not elitesmallgangpvp. It's set up to give similar numbers/strengths to each team. What would you say are the strengths of the damping tactics employed there, and how can they be translated into the real tranqility world?

If you want to discuss dampeners then better start a new thread so this can stay an Arazu thread.

An Arazu thread is a dampener thread and vice versa.

You dont use a arazu when you want damps, a celestis does pretty much the same job for way less isk, yes you can fit a damp on it but if you do that is for utility, never the primary role 8and you give up cap or tank for it, i.e bad choice).

For any kind of armour gang or brawling leet you want a proteus as it simply is way way more tanky and way more usefull.

All the fits in this thread suck, bar the one from Ong, altho there are some things i would change:

I am not a fan of the no dcu tank and the fit lacks resitances to benefit from logis, and even if you fly in a alpha heavy environement, drop at least one nano for a DCU. I also wouldnt go for a scar, if you are in scram range (37km) you either are ****** (if lots is there) and a scram woulldnt help you or your anti support will blap it quickly. " long range points are very nie to have tho.

[Arazu, Pointer]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
Medium 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
Salvager II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Equalish (a bit less) ehp, way better resitances, pretty equal cap, as usual 2 higslot up to choice (altho 1 sb is minimum id say). ***** gun is valid too.

Cure the lack of nanos with snakes, its probably one of the fastest ships in thegang anyways (unless you run with machs or tengus).

For alpha high evorenements id go with something like this

[Arazu, Shield Nano ichanged]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Salvager II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x4
Hornet EC-300 x4

Can drop both point to t2 if you are poor, but 107km is very nice, 86 isnt bad either but still in range of quite a few ships.

If you want damps bring a celestis (or throw them into the utility mids of your fleet ships, no non sensor boosted ship can lock you at 100km with 2 unbonused damps on it).

Damps are the strongest form of ewar but on a not even 60k ehp ship you really dont want to lose 15/20k ehp to be able to damp out one single enemy ship, thats a huge drawback for almost no gain.

Tsuk and whitehound, have you ever been in a gang with an arazu? Do you understand its role?

Tsuk and whitehound, have you ever been in a gang with an arazu? Do you understand its role?

The role of an arazu is pointing and pointing only. If you want damps get a celestis. Celestises are better damping ship than arazus and don't need to use their mids for a point and scram. If you think a single damp will save you from being alpha'd it won't. If you're going to get alpha'd then you're fighting a very large gang which also means that you're probably in a large gang which means that you shouldn't be in an arazu (barring BLOPs but you don't drop BLOPs looking for a ~gudfite~).

The primary role of damps in a gang are for logi to increase lock time when swapping between targets rapidly such that you kill the target before the logi even locks it, or reducing its range so that it has to get closer and you can kill it. Damping long range ships is effective as well, but a secondary role.

I'm glad I could clear everything up for you guys.

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Some of the fits in this thread are pretty terrible.

[Arazu, Arazu P-3p]

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
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It isnt, however you could also just use a proteus if you fly armour.

Absolute speed is not an issue in a support ship, your best defense is a healthy range buffer, pre-aligning to the next on grid bookmark and bouncing when primaried (while having the buffer to sustain alpha). It seems like you are trying to fly this as a combat ship...this is an armor gang setup that stays with the oneiri/guardians.

Anything with an MWD is stopped cold @32km. Fly more, theorycraft less.

Judge the fittings of others as terrible and fly yours anyway you like, but it is you who failed to hold the point. If you run out of cap or have gimped your speed makes no difference to the outcome of the failfit.

It is too slow right now.

[Arazu, PvP armor]

Damage Control II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Overdrive Injector System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Large Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II

Dual 150mm Railgun II, Spike M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Spike M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Spike M
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile (or cloak)

Medium Auxiliary Thrusters II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Vespa EC-600 x4 (or Warrior IIs)