I was thinking more a Meta 8 disruptor for long point support.

Shouldn't level 5 recon plus overheating get the domi long point to at least 72 km?

Urg those fits are so bad.

Yours is just as bad. You are not even trying to dampen the lock range of your target. And that one Howitzer is a joke, right?

White, you're out of your depth here, stop before you embarrass yourself any further.

You're trying to fit damage and tank on your arazu: that's not it's purpose.

You're a support ship that prevents kiting fleets from working in conjunction with other recons like the rapier and like all recons work best with skirmish links.

The one howitzer is most likely for km whoring.

Arazu job: point something at 80km and damp out snipers.

still doesn't change the fact you're posting a failfit yourself =S

The ones I found are all grossly out of date.

I do not see you posting fittings. You are just trolling again.

One could also classify your fits as trolling since they are so bad.

I didn't say his fit was any good either, just so we're clear.

[quote=Tsukino Stareine]
That said, I still do not like the idea of fitting 280m ISKs worth of faction gear onto a ship with only 8k eHP and no repair rate or shield recharge and then to kite within less than 20km range. I prefer to fight another day than to tell my mates that I lost the target and my ship.

I have also no idea why I would want to fit an AB onto it. It will be the ship that a target will likely try to kill first. Any target this slow that I could dampen out the damage will have lots of drones and I will only fail again. Honestly, your idea behind the second fitting sounds like it is better suited for a Combat Recon or, again, to use a Proteus.

Who said anything about 20km? Once again proved you don't know this ship. The boosted point range of the faction point is just under 80km and you should be aiming to be around 60-70km away, this ensures your threats are only limited to sniping ships which you can counter by damping. The scram is purely defensive, you NEVER want to be that close in an arazu if you can help it. If you're taking damage in the first arazu, you're doing it wrong.

The AB on the second arazu as the anti-kiting fit means you can speed tank a little bit combined with the low sig provided by no shields. If you're that worried about drones against a kiting fleet (lol) you can put smartbombs on it.

Here's how a full-time Arazu pilot fits his ship: https://zkillboard.com/detail/31379899/

erm, not quite sure what happened in that. The razu looked like it was fit for hot drop surprise but it met 3 sniping ships with no damps.

Seems OP needs to further define the purpose of the fit. Otherwise people are just posting "whatever". All I can see is that she intends on using a long point. But for doing what?

Nonsense. I usually do not judge the fittings of others, because I know that everyone has different goals, but two can play the game. He likely just used my fitting as a template and changed it for his needs and then trolls. I can just as easily say his fitting is bad and point out the weaknesses.

Im sorry ...

Do not be sorry. You just called yourself out. Nobody stops you from fitting more expensive gear, unless you need a cookie cutter for it. You still have not explained how you are going to hold point for more than 5 minutes. I am still curious what your excuse for that is. I believe I wrote that one can take the launcher off and fit a cloak. You however fit yours without dampeners and then pride yourself with a bigger tank. You really are the cleverest here.

You seem fixated on damps

Yes, it has got a strong bonus to it. Otherwise is the Proteus better.

Nope proteus cant kyte and has like half the point range

soloing

Im going to stop right here, anyone that even thinks solo, recon and kyting proteus in the same discussion is not worth my time. Feel free to continue being a bad tho o/

I and most people that do :elitesmallgangpvp: have realised that damps are of absolutely no use outside of pointing and damping a solo pve'er and waiting on your gang mates to come gank them.

ITT Bads who havent realised damps are **** in gangs

Do yourself a favour, watch the alliance tournament (back today at 13:30) and do not tell anyone.

ITT Bads who havent realised damps are **** in gangs.

While this statement isnt true for armour or cov ops gangs, the Lach is better for shield gangs, I fly the following fit.

[Lachesis, Standard Nano]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

But that's not elitesmallgangpvp. It's set up to give similar numbers/strengths to each team. What would you say are the strengths of the damping tactics employed there, and how can they be translated into the real tranqility world?

If you want to discuss dampeners then better start a new thread so this can stay an Arazu thread.

An Arazu thread is a dampener thread and vice versa.

You dont use a arazu when you want damps, a celestis does pretty much the same job for way less isk, yes you can fit a damp on it but if you do that is for utility, never the primary role 8and you give up cap or tank for it, i.e bad choice).

For any kind of armour gang or brawling leet you want a proteus as it simply is way way more tanky and way more usefull.

All the fits in this thread suck, bar the one from Ong, altho there are some things i would change:

I am not a fan of the no dcu tank and the fit lacks resitances to benefit from logis, and even if you fly in a alpha heavy environement, drop at least one nano for a DCU. I also wouldnt go for a scar, if you are in scram range (37km) you either are ****** (if lots is there) and a scram woulldnt help you or your anti support will blap it quickly. " long range points are very nie to have tho.

[Arazu, Pointer]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
Medium 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
Salvager II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Equalish (a bit less) ehp, way better resitances, pretty equal cap, as usual 2 higslot up to choice (altho 1 sb is minimum id say). ***** gun is valid too.

Cure the lack of nanos with snakes, its probably one of the fastest ships in thegang anyways (unless you run with machs or tengus).

For alpha high evorenements id go with something like this

[Arazu, Shield Nano ichanged]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Salvager II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x4
Hornet EC-300 x4

Can drop both point to t2 if you are poor, but 107km is very nice, 86 isnt bad either but still in range of quite a few ships.

If you want damps bring a celestis (or throw them into the utility mids of your fleet ships, no non sensor boosted ship can lock you at 100km with 2 unbonused damps on it).

Damps are the strongest form of ewar but on a not even 60k ehp ship you really dont want to lose 15/20k ehp to be able to damp out one single enemy ship, thats a huge drawback for almost no gain.

Tsuk and whitehound, have you ever been in a gang with an arazu? Do you understand its role?

Tsuk and whitehound, have you ever been in a gang with an arazu? Do you understand its role?

The role of an arazu is pointing and pointing only. If you want damps get a celestis. Celestises are better damping ship than arazus and don't need to use their mids for a point and scram. If you think a single damp will save you from being alpha'd it won't. If you're going to get alpha'd then you're fighting a very large gang which also means that you're probably in a large gang which means that you shouldn't be in an arazu (barring BLOPs but you don't drop BLOPs looking for a ~gudfite~).

The primary role of damps in a gang are for logi to increase lock time when swapping between targets rapidly such that you kill the target before the logi even locks it, or reducing its range so that it has to get closer and you can kill it. Damping long range ships is effective as well, but a secondary role.

I'm glad I could clear everything up for you guys.

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Some of the fits in this thread are pretty terrible.

[Arazu, Arazu P-3p]

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
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It isnt, however you could also just use a proteus if you fly armour.

Absolute speed is not an issue in a support ship, your best defense is a healthy range buffer, pre-aligning to the next on grid bookmark and bouncing when primaried (while having the buffer to sustain alpha). It seems like you are trying to fly this as a combat ship...this is an armor gang setup that stays with the oneiri/guardians.

Anything with an MWD is stopped cold @32km. Fly more, theorycraft less.

Judge the fittings of others as terrible and fly yours anyway you like, but it is you who failed to hold the point. If you run out of cap or have gimped your speed makes no difference to the outcome of the failfit.

It is too slow right now.

[Arazu, PvP armor]

Damage Control II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Overdrive Injector System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Large Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II

Dual 150mm Railgun II, Spike M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Spike M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Spike M
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile (or cloak)

Medium Auxiliary Thrusters II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Vespa EC-600 x4 (or Warrior IIs)

I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. I just explained to you that speed is almost irrelevant in a SG armor support role. And I really CANNOT take seriously someone who posts the following as a valid Arazu fit.
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A 200mil <10k EHP active tanked support ship, complete with a LCB (!), no cloak, split DPS, a meta4 ******* long point and an OIS. Please.

Im sorry whitehound, i have been browsing the forums recently, came across some of your posts, and seriously, most of the fits you posted are almost all horrible EFT nightmares, like you never undock or something.

It is very tempting to post numbers and careful chosen modules, yet the results are practically terrible. Also whats with that MAAR fetish ? It's puzzling.

Do you have any killmails with that Arazu fit? Perhaps on another character? Whitehound

What you do is getting a bit creepy, you know? Just stop. See the above comment.

Being the slowest so far I think is yours sure one of them. Anything from AB frigates to MWD BCs can slip out from under its point.

lolwut?

In case you've never seen one before, it's called a killboard. I know it might be difficult to decipher, but all you have to do is type a character name in and you can see a person's kills and losses. When I type "Whitehound" into zkillboard, I see 2 kills and a bunch of losses, none of them involving an Arazu. I'm not sure what would be creepy about that, since it's the single most commonly used tool by every PvP pilot in EVE.

This tells me that you don't know WTF you're talking about, which I kind of already knew, since your Arazu fit didn't even include a cloak. The point of a covert recon is to cyno in the DPS, not to dish it out. I'm not a solo pvp'er and my experience is mostly medium to large gang hotdrops (brought in by an Arazu), but... it sure looks like someone with a MWD, scram, and TD could own you pretty easily. Toss in a neut and you're done. But my knowledge is far too limited to be certain of that.

Never bring killboard stats into an argument, they dont tell you that much and if someone with 0 kills and 5k losses is right that doesnt change a thing, they mean as much in an argument as you can judge a corp/player by its battleclnic rank ("lol my corp is higher ranked then you thus i am right").

You of course are right but still its bad manners.

You're not supposed to hold point, you uncloak and have 80km point range, they have to burn out of that point range instead of immediately warping away giving your fleet time to grab secondary tackle on them.

Bertrand's Arazu does like 1200 m/s with that fitting. Anything that can shoot from range will attack it and most everything else will try to burn away. If that it is his thing then fine, but telling others their fittings are terrible when his could easily win the price of being the most terrible here deserve to be commented. Maybe do not start with the nonsense. Just as an idea...

Again, you are missing the point man. I posted a - fairly standard when T2ed - support arazu for armor gangs. I tried to explain to you how it is flown, where to pay attention when fitting it and how much speed is irrelevant when its used as a support ship. You don't seem to understand it. Your obsession over speed is both illogical and unfounded.

Another thing. If you really want to damp someone, you keep a ~30m isk Celestis 100km away from him and gather the tears, not use a 200m+ force recon. You are trying to use the arazu as a fl combat ship, its simply not designed for it.

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