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DarkBluePanther007
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Posted - 2005.12.16 21:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Maestro Ulv
Originally by: DarkBluePanther007
yeah so why do you get podded in a frig by a HAC if pirating is such a noble job?
*I* don't. However if you get podded then your probably in low sec space, and if you went in with a frigate with out enough skills to get out of his way then you already have your answer. Your stupid.
Well I'll return that to you, If you're stupid enough to fill a container of several hours work while knowing there exists thieves, then it's because "you're stupid" (that's how you spell it)
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2005.12.16 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: DarkBluePanther007
Yes thank you and I always did believe ore thiefs were important for Role Playing. Even those who don't want to be role playing, genuinely role play the robbed miner.
You should read some of the messages we get, we used to send them to each other in my corp and die of laughter, especially the rudest ones they're the best.
But I would like to point out one thing. All those guys who think they're heroes are actually bragging about how they're able to shoot down a hauler: a big slow defenseless ship that can't fit more than 1 small turret. Way to go guys ! I am really impressed! You are Pvp champions! I wish I could be more like you 
But I don't know why I even am justifying myself to these goons anyways...
Oh pls you just fly up to a can and drag ore to your hold...What a Role Playing Champion...Oh wait no, perhaps your just trying to start a flamefest. And I pretty much doubt this is your main.
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but
why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the
problem solve itself" (credits to mcallister TCS)
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Jozeph Spinne
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Posted - 2005.12.16 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jozeph Spinne on 16/12/2005 21:15:45
Hmm... Ok....
I can tell you what has been happening so far:
4 or 5 Guys in PVP Srtup Ships. They Get together with a 6th guy in a Small Ceptor/Indy whatever.
The guy in a small ship goes into a Belt.. takes little Ore.... (remember/he is in a gang with the other guys). The poor carebear opens fire/or his friends, whatever, the other 5 Guys warp in and WTFpanwzor to the miner and friends. And I know its 100% because I been in those gangs.
CCP! THANK YOU! This is was the best way for me - not being able to do much PVP on my own and w/o Going to 0.0 to kill ALLOT OF SHIPS.
Oh an EDIT here: In my life I never stole ore before today! Because I thought it was silly till now.
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2005.12.16 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: DarkBluePanther007
Well I'll return that to you, If you're stupid enough to fill a container of several hours work while knowing there exists thieves, then it's because "you're stupid" (that's how you spell it)
Lol, check your own posts before you comment on typo's please :)
As for the remark by the other guy about "how it is", I suppose that depends on your point of view. All i keep hearing about is how many thieves have fell into the same trap
Either way. Time will tell as usual.
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Budmeister
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Posted - 2005.12.16 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ryctor
Edited by: Ryctor on 16/12/2005 21:00:53
Originally by: Budmeister
Good lord your still around? Heh need to look up the threads where you proclaimed (whined) that can flagging would never happen.
Here's hoping you come to one of my mining ops!!
Luckly since I'm human i get to be wrong every once and a while. And I believe when i refered to the can flagging not being implamented it was always in the context of the thief never getting to return fire. But thats beside the point. They might as well left it out in the first place, because the flagging hasnt affected me at all. I stole ore for 6 hours last night and guess how many times i was fired apon......not even once.
PS ~ Bud just shoot me an evemail to where your mining op is and I'll be there.
PPS ~ God Damn my sig is sexy....
No need for eve mail I can just tell you now - look for me around the A2 Pipe I'll leave a light on for you 
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Saelek
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Posted - 2005.12.16 21:26:00 -
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Bah people assume a theif will just sit next to their can and wait for their speedy demise the aformentioned theif can just be aligned b4 removing the can contents
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DarkBluePanther007
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Posted - 2005.12.16 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: DarkBluePanther007
Yes thank you and I always did believe ore thiefs were important for Role Playing. Even those who don't want to be role playing, genuinely role play the robbed miner.
You should read some of the messages we get, we used to send them to each other in my corp and die of laughter, especially the rudest ones they're the best.
But I would like to point out one thing. All those guys who think they're heroes are actually bragging about how they're able to shoot down a hauler: a big slow defenseless ship that can't fit more than 1 small turret. Way to go guys ! I am really impressed! You are Pvp champions! I wish I could be more like you
But I don't know why I even am justifying myself to these goons anyways...
Oh pls you just fly up to a can and drag ore to your hold...What a Role Playing Champion...Oh wait no, perhaps your just trying to start a flamefest. And I pretty much doubt this is your main.
yeah I love your haircut by the way, and yes people like you could have declared war, and I don't know about what you guys are complaining about since you got the patch that enables you to shoot thieves while they can't shoot back.
I thought we already had this conversation in a previous post named "why such a big war against ore thieves", that's why I don't like the fact we are all discussing our advice about theft and I'd rather this thread be left for thieves to discuss with each other, or at least people who have things to say other than "theft is bad, and I will shoot you"...
I really wonder if thieves aren't the smarter population of eve
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2005.12.16 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: DarkBluePanther007
that's why I don't like the fact we are all discussing our advice about theft and I'd rather this thread be left for thieves to discuss with each other, or at least people who have things to say other than "theft is bad, and I will shoot you"...
I really wonder if thieves aren't the smarter population of eve
Then make a private forum and password it, You can't seriously expect people to not comment on a public forum about a hotly debated topic.. can you!?
Hell ill even host it for you and write the damn software if needed, course ill also have admin password so i can see what your saying
But seriously, your argument for privacy is flawed and you must know it. Post a link to said forums and your far more likely to stand a chance of keeping it on the topic you desire.
Hmmm, making sure there are no spies however will be hard.
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Meryl Stryfe
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Posted - 2005.12.16 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: DarkBluePanther007
yeah so why do you get podded in a frig by a HAC if pirating is such a noble job?
In high sec, make sure you smack and p1ss off the miner real good. You WANT him to pod you with his faction BS.  The shame is not being able to see the fireworks afterwards.
(Can flag only applies to ships, for the curious.)
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Budmeister
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Posted - 2005.12.16 21:47:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Saelek
Bah people assume a theif will just sit next to their can and wait for their speedy demise the aformentioned theif can just be aligned b4 removing the can contents
You have heard of warp scramblers I assume?
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griff1972
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Posted - 2005.12.16 21:50:00 -
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LMAO. im going to steal as much ore as I can now knowing the new patch is out, as I will be able to have so much more fun knowing my ship called the ore thief can take your hard enernd mins before you can blink an eye lid
and trust me its got after burner, mwd and a cloaking thingy
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2005.12.16 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: DarkBluePanther007
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: DarkBluePanther007
Yes thank you and I always did believe ore thiefs were important for Role Playing. Even those who don't want to be role playing, genuinely role play the robbed miner.
You should read some of the messages we get, we used to send them to each other in my corp and die of laughter, especially the rudest ones they're the best.
But I would like to point out one thing. All those guys who think they're heroes are actually bragging about how they're able to shoot down a hauler: a big slow defenseless ship that can't fit more than 1 small turret. Way to go guys ! I am really impressed! You are Pvp champions! I wish I could be more like you
But I don't know why I even am justifying myself to these goons anyways...
Oh pls you just fly up to a can and drag ore to your hold...What a Role Playing Champion...Oh wait no, perhaps your just trying to start a flamefest. And I pretty much doubt this is your main.
yeah I love your haircut by the way, and yes people like you could have declared war, and I don't know about what you guys are complaining about since you got the patch that enables you to shoot thieves while they can't shoot back.
I thought we already had this conversation in a previous post named "why such a big war against ore thieves", that's why I don't like the fact we are all discussing our advice about theft and I'd rather this thread be left for thieves to discuss with each other, or at least people who have things to say other than "theft is bad, and I will shoot you"...
I really wonder if thieves aren't the smarter population of eve
Well the "smarter population of eve" is missing a couple of points about "public forums".
Is totaly unable to recognise sarcasm. Oh and seem to be totaly immune to the irony of some little risk averse annoyance complaining about miners that can now if they wish take instant revenge against ore thives.
Which also has risks if its a come on for a ambush. So the one that did not have any real risk pre-RMR is complaining now the playing field.
Ore thives will have built a fair amount of ill will, and now it has consequences. Enjoy em.
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but
why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the
problem solve itself" (credits to mcallister TCS)
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2005.12.16 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: griff1972
and trust me its got after burner, mwd and a cloaking thingy
New player i presume? Otherwise you would know that you cannot use the AB and MWD at the same time and your "cloaking thingy" is rendered useless the second someone starts to lock you.
And if they do indeed lock and scramble you with those three wasted fittings your one dead duck.
Dark, if your going to make that corp then I suggest training guys like this before they set off 
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DarkBluePanther007
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Posted - 2005.12.16 22:30:00 -
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yeah well MWD is a good Idea, but won't fit on an industrial, you need a transport for that. As for cloaking I didn't train it yet, I'm sure it can help, but haven't figured how yet.
And maestro the corp has been existing for several months already, but anyone can join...
... join the fun, hehe
Since many have lost the thread of the post I remind the subject: " thieves contact me(have ore BPOs, BPCs, money). And I am looking for a way for us to organise ourselves better and be united against the thieve haters"
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griff1972
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Posted - 2005.12.16 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: griff1972 on 16/12/2005 22:38:48
trust me i can open ur can and run before you know what you cat has had for dinner
just ask jayaky our corp jester
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Lucas Garin
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Posted - 2005.12.16 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: griff1972
Edited by: griff1972 on 16/12/2005 22:38:48
trust me i can open ur can and run before you know what you cat has had for dinner
Come steal from us. Please.
We need a laugh.
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FlashmanUK
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Posted - 2005.12.17 01:11:00 -
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A) Its a game, dont get personal.
B) you know the risks before you perform your rightous act of retribution manifested by the appropriate catylst, personifeid in this case by ore theives. They know the risks, you know the risks, its always been there, can flagging isnt gonna change much. Mine in groups and mine into indys, my corp has been plagued with ore theives recently, should stop solo theives but aleast now you know that if a indy comes along its probably an ambush.
Im interested that its miners that kick up the fuss and not mission runners? Dont get me wrong, im an avid miner, and ive been ore theifed many a time, thats why i mine in a group usually. CCP wants to kill off solo players methinks.
Dont forget, the can flagging was there to give you the choice to retalliate, its not mandatory.
Anywho its 1:10am, thats my 2 isk.
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TIELKERON
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Posted - 2005.12.17 01:53:00 -
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Me sits in ambush apoc w/1 mining laser going justa waiting for the next ore thief
10 down a bunch to go
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Thorion Mortisfilius
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Posted - 2005.12.17 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Thorion Mortisfilius on 17/12/2005 02:19:48
I truly hope people aren't getting as irate as they sound. In-game I'm primarily a miner. I play the miner screaming for vengeance, justice and prone to irrational acts of lunacy when I get robbed. I sacrificed a thorax to Concord guns attacking an ore thief. Was hoping my drones would kill the hauler before Concord got me. lol...I was wrong. Out of game...ore-thieves add flavor to the game. They make a inherently repetitive and mindless act into someting different. The miner comes up with different strategies to keep their ore safe and the thieves counter with strategies of their own. All is done in good fun. Not unlike the thief who came out to my can only to find a single round of a small projectile which I used to make them waste their time and keep guessing when I am actually using a jet-can for ore. There was a light banter between us that I believe was in good fun on both sides and we both went our ways with no disruption to the mutual enjoyment of the game. Likewise I have had ore stolen where I called their persona all kinds of names but never once verbally attacked the person playing. I even had one player compensate me monetarily for the ore she stole because when all was said and done, we both enjoyed the short period of time I tracked her down and locked her. In the end, the ore stolen from me has been less than 1% of my total take and not worth getting worked up over.
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2005.12.17 02:22:00 -
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Number 1 rule. Be smarter than your prey. Any ore theives out there contact me ingame.
I am no ore theif but I am having fun at the moment :]
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Freya Selene
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Posted - 2005.12.17 02:27:00 -
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The ways of a thief:
Fill you industrail lowslots with stabelisers.
Allign to warp out
Clean those messy cans
Wait to get shot for aggresion
Warp/dock.
Grab your ultragangstyle ship
Fly back and waste the miner and grab his gear as well
.... i think thiefes will become even a more specialised profession... 
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beaverbrooks
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:15:00 -
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Yup thats Exactly the Idea, months ago i thought it would be a good idea to flag theifs, and it still might be.. But If my guess is right (once a miner shoots at you for stealing you can return fire without being concorded) then you completely annhilate the poor miner.
One thing would fix the "coming back with a battleship" is making the theif unable to shoot back opon docking/changing ships and warping back to the belt. Or not being allowed to return fire at any point what so ever.
I think CPP will shortly understand how they just made the situation a whole lot worse and nerf the self defence of ore thiefs completely.
^^ I'm going to laugh at the pro ore theifs that b***h there brains out when that happens, and im betting it will.
I highly doubt CPP will stand for battleships stealing ore now instead of whatever indy that used to do it.
But hopefully not before i get a ***** at the noobs.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ryctor on 17/12/2005 18:03:08
Originally by: Insightful Carebearitus
I think CPP will shortly understand how they just made the situation a whole lot worse ...
Because avon, myself, tenaj, ashley sky and the rest didnt predict this a year ago or nothing. Sadly, sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for. Thanks again CCP for giving me a griefing tool of unimaginable evilness.
PPS ~ God Damn my sig is sexy....but not as sexy as Avon.
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Siren Shiva
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Saskatchewan Pirate
Note to you ore-thifes:
Everyone hates you, go play world of warcraft
But I feel very much loved, and quite comfortable here! 
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Siren Shiva
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Siren Shiva on 17/12/2005 18:08:00
meh, blame the lag.
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Macro Slasher
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: beaverbrooks
I think CPP will shortly understand how they just made the situation a whole lot worse and nerf the self defence of ore thiefs completely.
What they did was that they forced both sides to start using some tactics instead of just clicking one button for the victory. It made the life of both thieves and victims way more interesting. Both can win, both can lose. Both have always equal chances there. It's very sweet.
I was at first very much against the thought but I have seen now both sides working occasionally in the game. It's very very sweet. Please note that there are some side effects. They will most likely go mostly away when the people learn about the new rules. All kinds of madness is possible for a while before that happens. Later it'll get saner.
But nerf the self defence of ore thiefs completely? That's one of the lamest thoughts I have heard in a while. It would allow some lame skilless sobs keep pressing one button for victory all over and over again if the thieving was really removed. The new system forces miners to get into packs and stop mining in some uber-lame 1.0 systems. So, it drives people forward wether they like it or not. And that's good.
Also once more I see some people are making the delusional false assumption that there is something inherently wrong in thievery. There isn't. It's what happens in real life and in the game too. You always could have protected against it extremely well and now are able too. Quote honestly it has taken a complete retard to get your stuff stolen
What next? You call all that shooting at other player ships too just wrong because omg they can lose their ships? Hey, let's remove all the weapons from the ships so that no one gets hurt.  Pfft. That's just plain lame.
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DarkBluePanther007
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:59:00 -
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I just want to repeat...
Yeah I believe thieves were doing good to the game, and adding just a little challenge for miners who always mine in 1.0 without taking any risks and creating lag etc.
Yeah I believe it's unfair to shoot a guy in hauler who can't fight back. And in real life if you kill a thief for stealing your wallet you go to jail.
Yeah I'd rather you say: "we the pvpers who have been playing for several years and who can only be killed by pvpers playing several years, want EVE to be only a pvp game and when we loose our ships we want to be able to afk mine with an alt in 1.0 space."
The result of this flagging is: bringing back pvpers to 1.0 which is already saturated and laggy, rendering useless team mining (hauler+miner), rendering useless secure containers for miners (watch the prices fall), and rendering more usefull mining in a BC or BS...
And my decision now, is to (with a little skill training) trap miners in a horrible evil way I would have never done before. Us thieves are going to become monsters
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2005.12.18 06:14:00 -
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So, if we take from a can, they can shoot us but we cannot defend ourselves?
Originally by: Nyphur
I'm hungry and naked. That answer your question?
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2005.12.18 06:29:00 -
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Thieves will develop new techniques and instead of congratulating you for teamwork and cleverness, they will just ask the devs for more nerfs.
It doesn't matter.
Carebears will not be happy until there is NO piracy or theft in this game.
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velocoraptor
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: DarkBluePanther007
Edited by: DarkBluePanther007 on 16/12/2005 18:26:36
Edited by: DarkBluePanther007 on 16/12/2005 18:26:12
pfhhh!
I like always get the usual answers from you bird brained gorillas.
pfhhh!
Acting like thugs on a computer game makes you guys feel tough? Well listen up I really don't mind you masturb@ting whiners being mad, on the opposite... You're the guys who make stealing fun.
If I could get out of my pod you wouldn't even dare talk to me like that (as in real life), and if you did I'd probably ***edited*** your noses all at a time...
haha
Signed: hedious ore thief who doesn't care about your complainings...
You invalidated your own first (mostly correct) statement, with the second one m8. 
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