Who in the hell clicks in pvp, It's hotkeys and hotkeys only, miliseconds matter, None the less these pilots win battle after battle which tells me this game is really nothing but a "I've got more time invested into skills then you" game.

I don't care what the servers run on, EVERY pvp game means miliseconds matter. If we are matched equally on every level and I am able to activate what I need to 4 times faster then you then I win... all day, every day.

The servers only update the simulation once per second (that's 1 Hz). Getting your command in earlier or later in that 1 second interval doesn't affect anything.

You can compare it to a turn based game; finishing your turn quicker doesn't give you an advantage.

Small gang pvp. Maybe that is what I'm missing here, a group to talk to while I go through the endless jump after jump of drowsy boredom this has been so far. What are some solid small gang pvp corps?

I understand what you're saying. What you fail to realize is the art of true pvp. There is a reason no one has heard of you on this game, it's because you aren't good. You will never be a top player because you live off this law of 1hz. It takes you two seconds to target, orbit, and activate your modules, It only takes me one. In a world where we are equally matched in every way, I shaved a second off, I win. You come at my post filled with multiple points and tell me they are all invalid because you believe you are certain about something that you are in fact completely wrong about. Aside from that you really haven't answered the question that is my post.

What keeps YOU interested. So far small gang pvp has struck my interest and is something I haven't tried. What are some GOOD corps that accept new players with my drive to be top tier.

The servers only update the simulation once per second (that's 1 Hz). Getting your command in earlier or later in that 1 second interval doesn't affect anything.

You can compare it to a turn based game; finishing your turn quicker doesn't give you an advantage.

I've been playing for a month and tried what seems like everything there is to offer.
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Faction war is a waiting period until you can match the sp levels of these guys rocking atleast twice the damage and hull as you.
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None the less these pilots win battle after battle which tells me this game is really nothing but a "I've got more time invested into skills then you" game.
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As of right now I feel like sitting in a hangar for a few months waiting for reasonable skills to be trained.

Where did I say that full seconds didn't count? You press your buttons at T1+.1s, I press mine at T1+.5s (a Four Hundred ms difference, goll-ee), guess what happens? They all activate at T2.


Anyway, the people I play with keep me interested.

Oh, and I cannot recommend BNI (Brave Newbies) enough. They're a fantastic bunch.

Ruby is 100% correct here.

What keeps it interesting for me is Asymetrical warfare at the political block level is fun and interesting. My group within Goonwaffe primarily does cloaked strike and fade warfare in "Enemy space". Doing this for long periods of time can break the morale of a group that you are working on and cause them to either quit their alliance or **** off to safer space.

When the enemy is renaming their jumpbridge towers to "Don't die to the goons" and spies are leaking you screenshots of forums posts where someone rages out and quits the alliance because the alliance can't protect them it has a tangible effect on the continued turnout of that alliance to the field of politics/battle.

In fact it's disproportionate. If you blow up someones fleet battleship they generally get over it fairly quickly. Kill their noctis for the fifth time running while they are attempting to put together enough isk to fit out a new battleship... that's enough to throw them over the edge.

It should be noted that the culture of the group you are working against drastically changes how effective this is. This kind of thing is useless against say... Black Legion who's general culture just lead them to shrug things off. But it's highly effective against someone like say... SCDOT (Before they died) and it's very effective against renter alliances, who only see themselves as semi attached to the group they have glommed SOV off of.

You're saying that clicking is acceptable, I'm saying it is not. You say it's acceptable because the servers are based off 1 second intervals, I believe that hotkeys get more actions per second and If you get to a point to where you are equally matched with someone and you are doing everything at twice the speed then you will win. Hotkeys bring more then twice the speed, every action is done light years faster then someone navigating click by click across their screen. It may not have as large of an impact as a twitch game but it is certainly an advantage. When dealing with a 30 seconds battle, If someone doing everything with hotkeys can do twice the amount of actions as someone clicking, then there will be an advantage. In a game that can require a month of training to gain a 5% advantage in a skill this should be easy to realize.

Aside from our argument I appreciate you throwing in a tip. I will definitely check out BN. Thank you

Oh, no, not again this stealth "I need 100 million SP to enjoy EVE" thread.

And i doubt you tried evreything in EVE in one month: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/eve-wtd.jpg

We are obviously not going to agree here lol. I have never experienced a game where there isn't an advantage in doing something faster then your opponents and I do not believe that game is this game, nor will it ever exist in anything other then a true turn based game. When speaking of fleet battles I would say my opinion is amplified. Take a mirror fleet with a mirror leader, Let one be bound to clicking and the other to hotkeys. Who will win? If you truly believe that it will be a equal fight then I'm sorry friend.
This game is far from based off mirror engagements but still, an advantage is an advantage. Like I said, in a game where you trains days to months for a 5% bonus, having a 10 to 20 to 100% speed increase in your actions by simply using hotkeys over clicking.. Seems to make sense to me.

it feels so dry in this game. I've made over a billion isk within my short time playing and am feeling as though this game presents no challenge. I've watched some youtube videos and watched guys clicking all over their screen as they fight other pilots.......Who in the hell clicks in pvp, It's hotkeys and hotkeys only, miliseconds matter, None the less these pilots win battle after battle which tells me this game is really nothing but a "I've got more time invested into skills then you" game.

I really want to enjoy this game. I love the idea of this game, I love space, space ships, pvp, making in game money, challenges and grinds but none of it seems to be keeping my attention. Where is the challenge and where is the fun in this game? What do YOU do that keeps you hooked? As of right now I feel like sitting in a hangar for a few months waiting for reasonable skills to be trained.

I have been in the top 1% of players in their arenas, so I love every aspect of pvp, but it feels so dry in this game. I've made over a billion isk within my short time playing and am feeling as though this game presents no challenge. I've watched some youtube videos and watched guys clicking all over their screen as they fight other pilots.......Who in the hell clicks in pvp, It's hotkeys and hotkeys only, miliseconds matter,

You're saying that clicking is acceptable, I'm saying it is not. You say it's acceptable because the servers are based off 1 second intervals, I believe that hotkeys get more actions per second and If you get to a point to where you are equally matched with someone and you are doing everything at twice the speed then you will win. Hotkeys bring more then twice the speed, every action is done light years faster then someone navigating click by click across their screen. It may not have as large of an impact as a twitch game but it is certainly an advantage. When dealing with a 30 seconds battle, If someone doing everything with hotkeys can do twice the amount of actions as someone clicking, then there will be an advantage. In a game that can require a month of training to gain a 5% advantage in a skill this should be easy to realize.

Aside from our argument I appreciate you throwing in a tip. I will definitely check out BN. Thank you

We are obviously not going to agree here lol. I have never experienced a game where there isn't an advantage in doing something faster then your opponents and I do not believe that game is this game, nor will it ever exist in anything other then a true turn based game. When speaking of fleet battles I would say my opinion is amplified. Take a mirror fleet with a mirror leader, Let one be bound to clicking and the other to hotkeys. Who will win? If you truly believe that it will be a equal fight then I'm sorry friend.
This game is far from based off mirror engagements but still, an advantage is an advantage. Like I said, in a game where you trains days to months for a 5% bonus, having a 10 to 20 to 100% speed increase in your actions by simply using hotkeys over clicking.. Seems to make sense to me.

You're saying that clicking is acceptable, I'm saying it is not. You say it's acceptable because the servers are based off 1 second intervals, I believe that hotkeys get more actions per second and If you get to a point to where you are equally matched with someone and you are doing everything at twice the speed then you will win. Hotkeys bring more then twice the speed, every action is done light years faster then someone navigating click by click across their screen. It may not have as large of an impact as a twitch game but it is certainly an advantage. When dealing with a 30 seconds battle, If someone doing everything with hotkeys can do twice the amount of actions as someone clicking, then there will be an advantage. In a game that can require a month of training to gain a 5% advantage in a skill this should be easy to realize.