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Meris
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Posted - 2005.12.17 16:58:00 -
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Well, first of all, I feel your pain - the drone changes have affected people who weren't already drone specialists.
The only solution to get back to your pre-patch effectiveness is to train drone interfacing V.
The upside is that there are additional drone skills that you can train in a week (to get to level 3ish) or so that will make your drones *better* than before. Like Drone durability and Combat drone operation.
So, it's a nerf, but a temporary nerf - you *can* get back to the same state or better than you were before the patch. And of course, you could always train into an Exhumer...
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Facetious One
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:01:00 -
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Iam surprised this topic is not locked yet.... I took the same approach and the moderators locked the topic within 30 mins....
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Facetious One
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Wee Dave
No ... what's happened to drones is that they're more skill intensive. That's neither a nerf nor a boost. If you train drone interfacing you will do much more damage with your drones than previously.
I dont understand your logic....you say it is ok that CCP is now going to make a newb train 2 months worth of skills to be in the same position as he was before????? A newb needs his time training other skills.......it is a nerf for a newb..maybe not for you experienced players that can throw skill points away at anything because your already set up...
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Vixa Ambrodel
Originally by: Rekindle
People who mine by themselves from time to time have been nerfed.
EVE is a MMO. Do you know what that second M stands for?
MULTIPLAYER
Meaning you should play with others instead of yourself (literally)! 
EVE is created with the second M in mind and as such, there are some things that are VERY DIFFICULT to do BY YOURSELF. Mining in a barge in medium- or low-sec is one of them...
Agree with you completely and would like to add that it should also be impossible to rat hunt in a .5 without a gang.
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Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Meris
...you could always train into an Exhumer...
If you've got a spare 27 mill to buy the skill book! WTF is that all about?
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Star Crush
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: Star Crush on 17/12/2005 17:16:05
Edited by: Star Crush on 17/12/2005 17:13:36
no matter what anyone says... every new patch the game gets harder for newer to inter players. It gets longer and longer for newer players to play at the level it use to take them for that amount of time.
CCP should really take a look at all these new skills and how long it takes for new guys to be able to really start enjoying the game, because at this rate in a few more patches the game will really suck for new people. For someone to say "t2 light drones ftw" is plain stupid when talking to a new player.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:15:00 -
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Original poster, you arte 100% wrong. Drones are PERFECT now. Evne for barges. Just use LIGHT DRONES (they dont evne have to be tech 2) and train drone interfacing and some of the other skills up to level 2 or 4 (will take only 2 or 3 days max depending on how high you want to go). Your 5 light drones will ABSOLUTLY DESTROY anything in .5 and higher.
Why should a MINING BARGE (not even top of the line barge) pilot be able to mine alone in .6 and .5 and lower systems if he hasent invested the proper time and is not using the proper methods? Just use your head and adapt. And BTW, ALL the drone changes were clearly listed long before the patch. No real surprises. It was NOT a nerf but a balance and an actual boost if you put some time into specializing in drones (which is NOT what you have to do, you only need to spend 2 or 3 days training some of the skills (drone interfacing before one of the most important ones) and just use light drones.
Problem solved.
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:34:00 -
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Yup. They said they were halving drone bays for everyone (rounding up) apart from the thorax that was getting it chopped by a quarter. Couldn't be clearer
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Drakus Felborne
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:47:00 -
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Amazing how you people keep contradicting yourselves, or just plain ignoring the actual problem.
The only way this would not have been a major nerf was if, and only if, all drones were directly upgraded to DI lvl 5 stats, but without DI 5 itself. They cut the bays in half, then everyone here says "just lose a paid month to train around this "adjustment".
I trained drones to lvl 4 for one purpose, to control the 4 drones that my bay held. Now i have room for only 2, and they get shredded by .7 rats. So the "solution" is to stop mining and training for a month so I can "patch" my skills? So at this rate, I can expect to pay 30 bucks a played month?
*censored* you *censored**censored**censored*monkey*censored**censored**censored* flying *censored* hypocritical *censored*. Look at the problem from the other end for a change. |
Wukwuk
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Posted - 2005.12.17 17:59:00 -
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Well, the drone changes ....
- may or may not have reduced lag, on cannot say for all the lag.
- nerfed some people's fun if nothing else, because for some the point was to have lots of tiny minions do their bidding.
15 drones orbiting a barge look cool, 5 do not. That's nothing to do with actual damage, hp, or any other numbers.
- the drone bay halving, while in theory it might not matter (drone ship, maxed skills) nerfs all non-specialized ships
with a drone bay because they've got to use smaller drones now. Medium drones are no longer viable on a Cyclone for
example. If this was intended, fine.
- I don't see why the drone ships speciality (+1 drone / level) had to be taken away - more damage just isn't the same.
Maybe give those ships the ability to equip one of the new +1 drone high slot modules "for free".
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High Sierra
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: High Sierra on 17/12/2005 18:01:09
Ive been mining with an alt in his mining barge all day in a 0.5 system with no problems
hes got 5 hornets in the drone bay, drones to L5 and drone interfacing to L3.
even the biggest spawn was no problem.
I see what you are saying, but really, I've had absolutely no problem whatsoever.
but with drones in general, I've been looking through the skills and what drones are available now and tbh I think the changes are superb. I cant wait to get my drone skills up
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Bermag
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:01:00 -
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I think that drones is a lot more efficient weapon than before. I mine with a Vexor and with 4 normal medium drones I have no problem (and much less problems than with 6 drones pre-RMR) to survive mining in 0.4. I have survived against 2 x 75k cruisers or 1 cruiser + 4 frigate spawns without even loosing a drone.
And I only have drones lvl 4 (and 2 levels in scout drones).
And to comment about the ironic comment about drone "nerf" not fixing lag. It probably does but it is probably non-drone issues causing the current lag problems which I hope will soon get fixed.
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Xaja Diuqil
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:02:00 -
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If it is all supposed to be as before, why is it with Drones @ lvl 5, Interfacing @ lvl 5 and Heavy drones being trained to lvl 5 (currently lvl 4) that they seem to be targeted easier, take longer to return to my ship and therefore die easier?
The quote about fitting light drones in a barge and ****ing all over anything in 0.5 is complete bollox! You try it! And who was the guy that said let them target you and let the tank take it while your drones finish them off? What system in EVE is he from?? Gotasmallbrain? Try tanking a barge and see how far you get!
This is a nerf plain and simple.
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High Sierra
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:05:00 -
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been there all day doing it Xaja.
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Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vixa Ambrodel
Originally by: Rekindle
People who mine by themselves from time to time have been nerfed.
EVE is a MMO. Do you know what that second M stands for?
MULTIPLAYER
Meaning you should play with others instead of yourself (literally)!
EVE is created with the second M in mind and as such, there are some things that are VERY DIFFICULT to do BY YOURSELF. Mining in a barge in medium- or low-sec is one of them...
Hi,
You quaify and the a55whip type that like to troll the threads. This is multiplayer, not a team game or it would be MTO. So why not troll back under your rock.
best wishs,
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Xaja Diuqil
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:09:00 -
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Well, if it ever comes back up before I go to that great Freighter in the sky, I'll have to try again and remember to Insure it first this time.
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:12:00 -
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To OP i gyess you missed the increase of light drone damage?
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but
why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the
problem solve itself" (credits to mcallister TCS)
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Drakus Felborne
Amazing how you people keep contradicting yourselves, or just plain ignoring the actual problem.
The only way this would not have been a major nerf was if, and only if, all drones were directly upgraded to DI lvl 5 stats, but without DI 5 itself. They cut the bays in half, then everyone here says "just lose a paid month to train around this "adjustment".
I trained drones to lvl 4 for one purpose, to control the 4 drones that my bay held. Now i have room for only 2, and they get shredded by .7 rats. So the "solution" is to stop mining and training for a month so I can "patch" my skills? So at this rate, I can expect to pay 30 bucks a played month?
*censored* you *censored**censored**censored*monkey*censored**censored**censored* flying *censored* hypocritical *censored*. Look at the problem from the other end for a change.
pack lights dumbass or to change your little rant ....
*censored* you *censored**censored**censored*monkey*censored**censored**censored* flying *censored* hypocritical *censored*. Look at the Solution for a change
Ah that feels better
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but
why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the
problem solve itself" (credits to mcallister TCS)
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Night Swordstrike
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:17:00 -
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The drone capacity was reduced for all ships. But if you look at the new light drones they do almost the same damage as the old medium drones. (pre-RMR 4 points of damage, post-RMR 7.5 damage, this was on Hobgoblins, pre-RMR mediums did 9, btw these are in game stats).
Mediums can't hit frigs well anymore (and vs inties they are useless, believe me I tried and even with 2 webs, 4 couldn't take an inty). Try some light dones and I think you will be very surprised on how well they work.
We had a mining op going last night in .5 space and when I sent 4 Hobgoblins off by themeslves vs the rats they had no problems at all. In fact I never even had to repair them.
Now that I have my Drones 5 skill (and Drone Interface 1 and, Combat Drones 1) these things will just destroy frigates.
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vixa Ambrodel
Originally by: Rekindle
People who mine by themselves from time to time have been nerfed.
EVE is a MMO. Do you know what that second M stands for?
MULTIPLAYER
Meaning you should play with others instead of yourself (literally)!
EVE is created with the second M in mind and as such, there are some things that are VERY DIFFICULT to do BY YOURSELF. Mining in a barge in medium- or low-sec is one of them...
Gdo i ******* hate people like you, who says you should have to waste some ones else time to mine, in high sec, there is not always some one availbe or willing to site their and watch you mine 9 mil trit.
There are many aspects of all mmphogs which can be done alone.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Drakus Felborne
Amazing how you people keep contradicting yourselves, or just plain ignoring the actual problem.
The only way this would not have been a major nerf was if, and only if, all drones were directly upgraded to DI lvl 5 stats, but without DI 5 itself. They cut the bays in half, then everyone here says "just lose a paid month to train around this "adjustment".
I trained drones to lvl 4 for one purpose, to control the 4 drones that my bay held. Now i have room for only 2, and they get shredded by .7 rats. So the "solution" is to stop mining and training for a month so I can "patch" my skills? So at this rate, I can expect to pay 30 bucks a played month?
You are 100% wrong. Drones are PERFECT now. Even for barges. Just use LIGHT DRONES (they dont even have to be tech 2) and train drone interfacing and some of the other skills up to level 2 or 4 (will take only  2 or 3 days max depending on how high you want to go). Your 5 light drones will ABSOLUTLY DESTROY anything in .5 and higher.
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:23:00 -
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If you are complaining about mining with drones for defence you have no right at all to complain about needing skills to use them - they're your only means of defence, you should be specialised in them!
As Wolfgang has pointed out, after three days your drones will be better than before. It cannot be a blanket nerf if you can rapidly exceed your pre-patch performance in half a week.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Xaja Diuqil
If it is all supposed to be as before, why is it with Drones @ lvl 5, Interfacing @ lvl 5 and Heavy drones being trained to lvl 5 (currently lvl 4) that they seem to be targeted easier, take longer to return to my ship and therefore die easier?
The quote about fitting light drones in a barge and ****ing all over anything in 0.5 is complete bollox! You try it! And who was the guy that said let them target you and let the tank take it while your drones finish them off? What system in EVE is he from?? Gotasmallbrain? Try tanking a barge and see how far you get!
This is a nerf plain and simple.
Currently hunting NPCs in 0.0 with a drone ship. Also, before I went to 0.0 yesterday, I hunted NPCs. in .4 in a CRUISER using nothing but some light and medium drones. They absolutly rip things apart. Have also been mining in .5 with my covetor. My buddy can only fly a retreiver and he also has been mining in .5 with no problems. 2 days ago he had scout drones 2 and drone interfacing 1. He trained them a couple levels and is doing just fine.
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Xaja Diuqil
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:25:00 -
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So what was the point of training heavy drones if they are now effectively useless????
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Drakus Felborne
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H
You are 100% wrong. Drones are PERFECT now. Even for barges. Just use LIGHT DRONES (they dont even have to be tech 2) and train drone interfacing and some of the other skills up to level 2 or 4 (will take only 2 or 3 days max depending on how high you want to go). Your 5 light drones will ABSOLUTLY DESTROY anything in .5 and higher.
Congrats on just proving what I said. To work around the nerf requires cancelling training plans until the nerf is circumvented.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Xaja Diuqil
So what was the point of training heavy drones if they are now effectively useless????
Doesnt the heavy drone skill increase the damage of all ytour drones by 5% per level?
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:30:00 -
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Mining for low ends should not be a team event, for the simple reason that it is so exceptionally unprofitable. Even perfet miners mining the most valuable 0.5+ minerals are only going to earn 1-2m an hour. Requiring that mining ops be multi-person teamwork extravaganzas essentially condems half of the player population to unpaid boredom.
Harry Voyager
Originally by: Vixa Ambrodel
Originally by: Dakath
Solo play is not what CCP prefers, but it is a VALID play style. CCP accepts real-life money from solo players, if they didn't you might have a point, but you don't.
Are you saying that everything in EVE should be soloable? No, I mean it, EVERYTHING???
If not, my point still stands: Some things in EVE are meant to be difficult on your own...
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Drakus Felborne
Originally by: WolfGang H
You are 100% wrong. Drones are PERFECT now. Even for barges. Just use LIGHT DRONES (they dont even have to be tech 2) and train drone interfacing and some of the other skills up to level 2 or 4 (will take only 2 or 3 days max depending on how high you want to go). Your 5 light drones will ABSOLUTLY DESTROY anything in .5 and higher.
Congrats on just proving what I said. To work around the nerf requires cancelling training plans until the nerf is circumvented.
So obvious what's wrong, but is totally lost on those who already have the work-around.
Seriously. Grab a clue. You cant spend 2 or 3 days to be able to use DRONES THAT DO A BETTER JOB than before? 2 or 3 days for IMPROVED DRONES. And you are WHINING? You call it a nerf?
Now you can fit modules that increase drone damage, use new types of drones, and if you really want to specialize in drones you have the option now. Your drones, if you work on their skills, can do wild damage and perform all sorts of uses. But again, im not saying you NEED to specialize in drones, you just need to spend a couple days trainig drone interfacing and a few hours perhaps training some of the new skills ot level 1-2. That is too much for you? Then quit.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Voyager
Mining for low ends should not be a team event, for the simple reason that it is so exceptionally unprofitable. Even perfet miners mining the most valuable 0.5+ minerals are only going to earn 1-2m an hour. Requiring that mining ops be multi-person teamwork extravaganzas essentially condems half of the player population to unpaid boredom.
Good thing it dosent need to be. .5 rats are a total joke. Use light drones and spend a couple days (if you already havent) on soem basic skills and you will be just fine (alone).
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Xaja Diuqil
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Posted - 2005.12.17 18:33:00 -
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I think I get my problem now....
I apologse for my earlier post, the light drones do actually work as you all stated.... 
The problem was I was using the heavy drones I have always used and they can't target anything, I think?? That's all I can think of. Using light drones seems to work well, as previously stated. I love humble pie!!
All you other guys who prefer to use large drones can always use the little trick of going out in a drone ship, leaving them at your roid BM then go back in your barge and scoop 'em then release 'em (who needs a large drone bay???) It's a pain granted but it used to work well!!!
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