For their price, HACs kinda suck.

Hands off from Cynabal ! You both with Fozzie are Edward scissor-hands ! Go screw-up something else and don't touch Minmatar industry.

So you think 170/250 DPS at 25k is fine for a range bonused T2 Cruiser which is designed to kite, you have some strange ideas.

Its also 150 mil.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

If a ship is going to be 150mil and also terrible, then it just a waste. Look at the eagle. It is "content" but if it removed from the game nothing would change.

Resorting to insults when somebody disagrees with what you say.

3 hours in an anom or level 4 mission then.

The cerb has been terrible for so long, that anything other than its current state people are happy with.


I wish It would get a 25m3 drone bay and/or a 10% damage bonus to all missile types.

Then it would be good.

Just ignore him, he's got no idea.

Change the vaga so arties are good on them.

I feel like there are not enough ships that use medium arties to an extent worth using..

The Cane got nerfed, Never even see munnins, rupture and stabber don't do it too well. Only the cynabal is worth using medium arties on ATM.

The vaga can't even fit 425mms properly, why do you hate arties so much CCP?

The vaga should be the arty boat and the cynabal should be autocannons. We know the change is coming so might aswell steer them in the right direction.

[Vagabond, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II


Warrior II x5

Because this is clearly underpowered right?

Not bad....

Now what happens when the other ships just warps off? All the DPS in the world won't do much for you then

Let's sick an armor cruiser on this ship and have a Tornado near by. Cruiser tackles and you engage. Tornado warps to buddy who now has you down about half shields. Head shot from Tornado and you are toast.

Small energy neut on a medium ship? It's useless against anything but a few Frigates. May as well put on a salvager...

Nice try though.

I still think it needs a fitting buff so it can fit arties.

nearly everything what?


He is being buffed on a signle thing.. on a scenario that no vaga pilot stick its vaga ever...

Everything has.

I'd rather see less ASBs, I loved the old shield tanking method. But CCP is encouraging it.

nearly everything what?


He is being buffed on a signle thing.. on a scenario that no vaga pilot stick its vaga ever...

These hacs are boring.

I think the biggest concern is that the HACs right now aren't anything special at all.

Even if they end up being beefed up version of a T1 crusier... Who cares?

Make them something unique so it changes the gameplay a little. They are really stale right now.

Experiment and try some new things CCP. We like refreshing changes.

I think the problem is CCP is unwilling to take any risks when it comes to EvE.


Alot of game studios suffer from this, which is why all the games now a days are all the same nothingness.


Do something new CCP, we won't riot in jita over it. We all would welcome a fresh change to the stale ship line ups.

If you can't begin to explain then evidently you have no argument. Reducing the range of shortpoints on ships designed for kiting spaces them out from the standard cruisers we have now; why do we need to spend 10x the ship cost just to gild the hulls that serve perfectly already? As for the MJD issue, that was more for the gimmick than anything, but I can see useful applications which can be countered by, for example, a warp scrambler. That oh-so-rarely fitted module.

Then you should encourage CCP that HACs need a role other than OP t1 crusier.

Right now what is the cerb besides a stronger caracal? ETC.

Something to set them apart from every other ship in the game, aswell as being useful so people fly them.

HACs are some of the worst ships in the game right now in terms of having an actual role, they should take as much time as they need with them.

Vagabad needs PWG buff.

I want to use arties/425mm on it.

Talos already exists.

Post constructively or don't post, we're trying to make the Vaga a useful ship that can actually use its shield booster bonus without having to fit an ACR.

Personally, I haven't really been seeing these "roles" that CCP and everybody keeps going on about.

My tech 1s can fit their weapon systems without having to a single fitting mod. How is that better?

It is irreverent because a vaga with 720mms, microwarp drive and TWO ACRs has only 10 powergrid left to fit anything.

With that kind of EHP a single tornado could one shot it if it wanted. This ship is not viable to even fly in this state so any comparison would be meaningless.

Yeah it is irrelevant. Why would we compare the DPS of a ship fit that simply doesn't work with another? What do you hope to achieve? T1 ships can fit 720mms NP, the vaga CAN'T. What is so hard to understand?


I just found a fit I made: A navy Omen that can tank better than an arty vaga, project the same DPS to 40kms than a vaga can to 18, and go FASTER... And the best part is... it can actually be fit.. Unlike the vaga.

Yeah the vaga is a real good kiter folks.

Mid-tier guns, class-appropriate tank, no oversized modules, and you're still over on grid without a PG implant.

Why would I? I can fly a navy omen or a cynabal and get better speed than a vagabond and better DPS.

And the munnin needs to become a missile boat already.

Sacrilege folks seem a bit divided depending on how they imagine using it and I promise to keep an eye on the active capabilities following the cap adjustment once people get to start using it, but I think it will be fine.

I can't understand those Vagabond pilots despising on speed...

If you don't care about speed, why don't use another ship than the Vagabond ? You know, the Muninn can fit artilleries fine.

Nope, the navy omen with one nanofiber is faster than a vaga with none.

Only a moron would fit a nanofiber to a vagabond.

No one's "despising on speed" or discounting its value, but speed alone isn't enough to make a ship good any more than tank alone was enough to make the old prophecy or maller worth flying. In particular, speed can't make up for glaring deficiencies in other respects, as demonstrated by the initial Odyssey stabber - it was certainly fast, but going fast was the only thing it could do at all well and so it saw very little use.

You are wrong.

This thread has com donw to people who have flown the vagabond saying it is bad, arguing with people who have never flown a vagabond saying it is good.

WTF is its role?


Brawler / Kiter ?

It has really terrible damage projection, and fitting. Now we are getting an active tanking bonus. Something that belongs on brawler ships.

Changes look interesting.

so why do the Amarr get a better missile bonus than the caldari? If I'm not mistaken missiles are kind of a cladari thing, but the cerb only gets a 5%bonus to kinetic while the sac gets 5% to ALL missile damage types, something seems wrong with this picture....

but then caldari always gets dumped on.

And the Vagabond continues on the track towards uselessness.

That overbuffs the deimos, no ship should be able to easily tank 900dps before heat without links nor implants.

CCP Rise:

With your comment that the eagle is supposed to be a fleet boat, I see where you're going with it. I had planned that sort of role for it previously. However, to be competitive with the zealot in that role, it needs a better speed to signature ratio than it currently has. While it won't have issues projecting damage to the edge of its targeting range, it will make very little impact on HAC fleets with a signature greater than 180m (currently, dual LSE II and one shield rig push it to 210 with maximum skills). I understand that the caldari ships are generally slower, but it will remain ineffective in its intended role.

I believe that the eagle would be viable in a long range HAC fleet with the base signature radius reduced to 125m (remember it will never ACTUALLY be that low due to a shield tank) and base speed increased to at least 200 m/s. This would keep the caldari boats slower still, but able to fight an ABC fleet at most ranges effectively. It would be at a disadvantage still against AHAC fleets when both in good engagement range, but have the option to engage from farther, which I think is the point of the proposed eagle.

Otherwise, I am very excited to see the HACs being updated! While there have been a lot of arguments against the proposed changes, most of them seem to be a good benefit to them. The other changes planned to the HACs will go a long way toward their intended roles. The simple addition of lock range frees up a mid slot when intended as long range fighters. I hope to see HACs used more than they have been, in large fleets, small, and solo.

Seriously, when was the last time anybody saw a HAC flying solo? It's been a long time since I've even seen the vagabond out there.

Sentries arent op.. the assist mechanics need some work but other then that (outside of the general work all drones need), they are fine. Sentry boats crapped over everything else because of the limited ranges of the tourny arena more then anything else. Plus I suppose smartbombs weren't allowed, as I do not recall seeing any during any matches I saw.

It would be nice if the Eagle could kite with blasters about 20km and do decent damage with a way of dealing with frigs and having the speed and agility to actually keep range.. unfortunately apparently this isn't allowed by RISE who thinks it has to remain a slightly ******** sniper ... even though the Naga and Talos can both out snipe it.