Why is a tracking bonud compelling on a thorax but not a diemos?

well since its a shield tank you can always use a reactor core II or a rig slot right? i mean in the meta everyone knows just how op the diemos is.

this is teh deimos i would like to see:

DEIMOS


Role Bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Gallente Cruiser Bonuses:
5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage
5% increase to MicroWarpdrive capacitor bonus and decrease MicroWarpdrive cap activation cost

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
15% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff
7.5% Medium Hybrid Turret rate of fire

Slot layout: 5H(-1), 4M(+1), 6L; 4(-1) turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 1150 PWG(+160), 360 CPU(+10)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1350(+190) / 1750(-290) / 2000(-531)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 1400(+25) / 255s (-80s) / 5.5/s (+1.4)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 230(+22) / .475(-.055) / 11460000 / 7.54s(-.875)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 75 (+25m3)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 85km(+20km) / 270 / 6
Sensor strength: 22 Magnetometric(+7)
Signature radius: 150(-10)

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This would fix the diemos not make it op and actually make the falloff bonus usefull.

there is a camp that wants the Deimos to be this awesome zippy Blaster Platform ship....

Maybe because missile velocity bonuses are even more beneficial to HAM fits than to HML fits?

Wtf? You have played eve before yes?

no seriously guys think about it.

what is missing from hacs? resilience.

so its role bonus should help it add that.

but a 37.5% reduction in heat damage to modules. would do this!

need to have that mwd with heat on to win that fight now you can last longer

need that extra dps for fleets now you can hit harder

need that extra ehp from resist mods now you can be hit longer

+7.5% medium hybrid rate of fire per level
i would then reduce to 4 turrets but keep 5 high slots so its gets a high slot back... think of it as a mini mega.

But, this is a T2 ship, which are supposed to be specialized, the mega is a T1 ship where you are supposed to have lots of options.
I would support the thorax to become a mini mega though.

IMO Utility/versatility can be a specialty. like a swiss army knife

yes combat recons can use thier racial e-war on ships that are immune to e-war.

DEIMOS

For the Deimos we are getting rid of the mwd bonus as its outdated and odd. We are replacing it with a 5% to armor per level to give the deimos great armor ehp. Furthermore we are going to remove the 5th high slot and move it to a low making the ship have 7 low slots. to make up for lost dps we are going to switch one of the damage bonus to a 7.5.% to rate of fire which will result in a net loss of 5% of overall turret dps but we feel the loss is worth the extra low slot. Moreover we are also going to switch the falloff bonus for a tracking bonus as this will make the deimos a great blaster ship or a great rail ship.

Side note we are replacing the role bonus on all hacs to a reduction in heat damage to modules.
Role Bonus: 37.5% reduction in Heat damage to modules

Gallente Cruiser Bonuses:
5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage
7.5% to Medium Hybrid Turret Tracking

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
5% increase to Armor
7.5% to Medium Hybrid Turret Rate of Fire

Slot layout: 4H(-2), 4M(+1), 7L(+1); 4 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 1050 PWG(+60), 360 CPU(+10)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1350(+190) / 1750(-290) / 2000(-531)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 1600(+225) / 255s (-80s) / 5.5/s (+1.4)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 230(+22) / .475(-.055) / 11460000 / 7.54s(-.875)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 85km(+20km) / 300(+30) / 6
Sensor strength: 22 Magnetometric(+7)
Signature radius: 150(-10)

i do admit they are used. but as heavy tackle not as e-war platforms.

might aswell just get rid of the e-war aspect and make them heavy interceptors then.

Hi guys

Sorry I've been away. Been out of the office for two days because of barfing etc.

I'm behind on the thread so I'm going to get caught up today and respond to some of the common points in a few hours.

As a close range brawling ship falloff is just a bad tracking bonus. With blasters you will be in web range the whole time, with rails a tracking bonus is still better as rails have bad tracking.

What exactly is an ahac eagle? This makes no sense.

Sacrilege: The Sacrilege was definitely one of the more difficult ones to pin down, but I think we're in a pretty good place. We looked at a few other options for its layout and bonuses but because of the power of the resist buff it's very easy for it to become too strong. We also really like that it tends to fit in to fleets as a ship with enormous utility rather than being all tank and gank like a lot of the other HACs. For that reason we really wanted to leave the utility high and the 4th mid. It would often make a better straight up brawler with another low, but by going the route we went of adding more drone dps and more fitting room, we improved it a lot as a brawler while preserving its character as a very high-utility HAC that can do a lot of different things.


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how far does it shoot with null?

could you do something like
full rack of nuetron balsters

10mn ab
tracking comp
em hardner
two invul
large extender

lows:
dcu II
TE
2 mag stabs

rigs:
bust accelerator
shield expander

though i do agree it really needs 25m3 and mb to be usefull

if you upped the falloff on the vega to 12.5% per level that would fix the "range" issues people are having with the ship.

so that would end up being an extra 62.5% increase to falloff crs 50% that we see now. its not much but it should make the difference.

ok so how much pg is it short on?

CCP Rise... The EAGLE!!!.
It is the worst HAC (by far) for a reason. And you have changed approximately nothing. It will remain the worst HAC. There are no viable roles for it. The only thing it was ever used for was as a Beagle, why not emphasize that? You want it to be a sniper? Have you heard of the Naga?

Rise, i implore you, fix the Eagle. You cannot take the worst HAC in game change nothing and expect it to be better ( yes i know about the medium rail changes). To start you off i suggest removing that Ridiculous double optimal range bonus.

That overbuffs the deimos, no ship should be able to easily tank 900dps before heat without links nor implants.

What the **** is wrong with you people?

The Proposed vagabond is fantastic.. Stop being so damn awful..

Another small update

Vagabond powergrid raised to 900 (+45)
Zealot CPU raised to 340 (+20)