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Klydor
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Posted - 2003.08.20 12:13:00 -
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EMC Bursts are only for jamming the sensors of any ship that have a sensor rating below 8.
This means to jam a moa with a sensor rating of 11 your would need either 2 x -6 ecm gravametric jammers
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One -6 ecm gravametric to drop the ships sensor rating to +5 then an ECM burst would finish them off as the sensor rating is now below +8.
Thats how ECM burst currently work and how I imagine they were implemented. They should not stack as they do not give a + or - to sensors they mearly jam ships with a Current rating of less than 8.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2003.08.21 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Klydor on 21/08/2003 14:11:21
There is no bug they work as intended READ their description they break a lock only on ships with sensors below their strenght. They do not stack.
If your not willing to take our advice on the matter then why post it? Why not just file a "OTHER" petition and ask a dev / gm to clarify for you.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2003.08.21 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Klydor on 21/08/2003 15:11:12
You clearly do not fully understand ECM and did not read my first post.
Let me illustrate, 1 assume I fly a moa with sensor strength of 11 and I have 1 backup array giving sensor strengh 13.
You in your ship have 2 ECM modules and 1 ecm burst. I have you locked and am firing at you.
You active both your ECM modules against me
doing -12 rating. I am now on 1 sensor strenght thus you have not jammed me.
HOWEVER my ships sensor rating is now below the 8 that an ecm burst is capable of jamming. So by activating the ecm burst any ship within 4km of you who has a sensor strenght < 8 will now lose its lock on you.
You have BROKEN the LOCK.
That is what the description states.
Why are ecm bursts useful you may ask well take the same example. But this time 2 moas are locked onto you. You use both ECM modules 1 on each moa doing -6.
Each moa is now down to 7 sensor. Using the ecm burst you have now jammed or broken the lock from BOTH moas. Something that would be impossible to do with 3 ecm modules. but possible with 2 ecm and one burst.
That is how Ihave used ECM burst since I first started playing this game which was when the game hit retail. That is how they have worked since that date.
If ECM bursts were meant to stack then their description would give a + or - affect.
For example ecm destabalisers do -6 per module and thus stack. ECM Burst however do not do +8 or -8 they mearly break lock on ships with less than 8 sensor. Thus 2,3 or 4 of them still only break the lock on < 8 sensor.
You only need to carry one ecm burst.
I hope that is a more understandable example and your right I'm not a dev or GM but then you'd get a reply off of them quicker via a petition. I'm mearly stating how bursts work, based on their description and usage since the game hit retail.
Finally BURSTS are not meant to BREAK a JAMMING of you, they are meant to break a LOCK of you. These are two different things.
ECM and ECM bursts are under the ECM category, they prevent a LOCK ON or BREAK an ACTIVE LOCK.
ECCM is for BREAKING an active JAMMING.
Quite different items.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2003.08.21 15:51:00 -
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You can get multispectal ecm which will allow you to jam any race but they are not as effective as specialist ecm. -4 as opposed to -6 I beleive.
I tend to take my ecm based on the area I'm travelling through, which type of ships I tend to meet in that area. Or if I'm expecting a specific person to attack me I can load out for that.
Some of the times I have the correct ecm, other times I don't. You can play safe and carry multi spec ones but then you need 3 to do the same to all races -12, as 2 specific ones. It's all a question of selecting the appropriate loadout and a bit of luck.
As they say knowledge is power
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Klydor
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Posted - 2003.08.21 19:55:00 -
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yup but 4 multispecs will do less ecm jamming power in total than 4 specialised ones. The benefit to multispecs is that you don't need to worry about what race the person your trying to jam is.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2003.08.23 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: Klydor on 23/08/2003 01:12:05
As far as I am concerned and this is how it is in game:
ECM is for breaking someone who has a lock on you or for preventing them from establishing a lock on you.
If you are been jammed then ECM will do nothing to stop this, bursts or not. Because to use ECM yuo need to be able to lock the person.
ECCM however will stop them jamming you as it is designed to counter the effects of ECM.
Thats how it works in game.
I don't see the problem with that? ECM works against sensors, whilst ECCM works against ECM. Simple. If bursts were meant to Break LOCKS when you are jammed then they should be called ECCM bursts, because they would not only be breaking a lock but also countering the ECM that is jamming you.
The distinction that should be clear is that you can break a lock using ECM but you cannot break out of been jammed using ECM. Which is why ECCM exists, to counter the ECM.
and no I'm not trying to sound like an expert, I'm simply explaining how it works in the game at this time. If you don't want me to explain that, then fine I shall no longer try to help you out, and yes I'm a little narked that after trying to explain how something works people have a go at me.
Anyhow, thats my last post on this topic as your clearly going to ignore everything I've said.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2003.08.23 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Klydor on 23/08/2003 13:16:31
Edited by: Klydor on 23/08/2003 13:15:46
Fortoye Drak, you've hit the nail on the head.
For those who want to know more about ECM there is a guide here http://www.eve-i.de/article.php?id=32
This article will reitterate most of the information in this thread, although it does not deal specifically with bursts.
A discussion on bursts can be found here
http://www.eve-i.de/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=prof3&Number=22848&page=&view=&sb=5&o=
These posts and guides backup everything I've explained about bursts in that they do not stack, they jam all ships with < 8 sensor but they will stack with other ECM modules.
Your welcome to try this out in game and beleive me it does work as I use it on a regular basis to get out of tight situations and warp away.
PS Sorry about my slightly agressive post last night, it was a little late and I had a shorter fuse than normal :(
For those who don't want to read the whole therad heres the relevant quotes.
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Mrocktor - ECM Burst WILL stack with other ECM devices though, so if you have a multispectral on and burst you total 12 points of ECM on that target...
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Schizolsayer - That's because the Jammer will knock down the target ssensor strength below 8 thus making them vulnerable.
It's not really stacking as such, an ECM burst just checks ships within range and if they're sensor ratings are below 8 they lose the target lock and can't reaquire if still in range, if a ship is jammed already reudcing their sensors from 11 to 7 then the burst will work.
This is why two ECM bursts won't stack wth each other though. They just get calculated in the wrong way when logically they should stack as the amount of interference/static etc within 5km of the user would double if two are active.
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