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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:46:00 -
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To the Honorable Chamberlain, The Imperial Heirs, and the other members of the Succession Committee.
We are glad to hear that some progress has been made on the subject of who committed the atrocity of killing the Emperor Doriam II, yet after five months the time has come to wonder if perhaps there are not higher priorities than figuring out who exactly killed our God appointed Emperor.
In these dark times it is easy to mix up our priorities; especially as we are without the guiding connection to God that a God appointed Emperor has. As such, it seems questionable to place the capture of the assassins over the health and prosperity of GodĘs Empire. The Succession councilĘs duty is just that, to guarantee the succession and not to right the wrongs of the last second of the previous Emperors reign. We need a divinely appointed Emperor more than we need the head of the previous emperor's killer on a pike. (Though if we could have both, there would be no complaints) As this is the case, we must ask why the following things have been ignored in favor of catching these assassins.
*Why is Sarum still allowed to not have an heir? In this time of trials, the great house of Sarum absolutely cannot be left leaderless in this dark time.
*Why has no information about how the next Emperor will be selected been released to the public? Many question their faith and court heresy and despair simply because of the lack of any releases on how the future of our people will be decided. It has been five months and still we have nothing.
*If for some reason that cannot be publicly disclosed, the above two issues cannot be resolved any time soon: why is the succession council putting the capture of the spies over the ruling of the Empire they are pledged to keep intact for the next God appointed Emperor? The Empire as a whole is more important than why exactly a past Emperor died, even if we all sincerely hope that the Emperor's killer is brought to justice for his crime.
Throughout these trials, you will retain the support of the Praetorians Imperialis Excubitoris regardless of your answer. We believe that it would prove beneficial to the entire Empire, however, should you take these issues into account, as this would provide public proof to the entire universe that you are indeed doing the job you were appointed to this committee to do.
May God be with you in these dark hours,
PIE inc.
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:23:00 -
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The reason for this is simple. The succession committe has no wish to remove themselves of the power they find in their hands, and will in fact do all they can to prevent any new emperor from being chosen.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Vendrin
The reason for this is simple. The succession committe has no wish to remove themselves of the power they find in their hands, and will in fact do all they can to prevent any new emperor from being chosen.
You might be correct, that a power grab is about to take place. Should be interesting.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.12.18 08:14:00 -
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Oh please.
If the Succession coucil wished to do that, all they would have had to do is find an excuse to name one of their number Emperor.
If this had been the case, it would have happened months ago in the chaos of the first month following Doriam's ascention when such a move would have been considered acceptable.
I am confident that there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for the issues outlined above.
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2005.12.18 08:18:00 -
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Could it? Would they be willing to risk a 4 in 5 chance they will be killed for power, when they can remain alive and share it?
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.12.18 08:32:00 -
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Since the Imperial Chamberlain and not the Heirs seems to be running the show, thats not really an issue.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.12.18 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vendrin
The reason for this is simple. The succession committe has no wish to remove themselves of the power they find in their hands, and will in fact do all they can to prevent any new emperor from being chosen.
The Succession Committee does not include that sort of person.
But even if you're the sort of fool who believes that such a thing could happen in the Empire, most of the members of the committee were also there when Hiederan VII passed away, so if such a power grab were on the cards it would have happened already.
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2005.12.18 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Vendrin on 18/12/2005 10:27:42
So perhaps those members present were the ones who perpetrated it. What other explanation is there for this strange occurence other then the fact that the Committee has no wish to appoint a succesor.
What we should truely worry is if important figures in both Caldari State and Mimnitar Republic are needed to be replaced within the next few months. If it is so, then it will be evident someone is manipulating events within each empire.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2005.12.18 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vendrin
What we should truely worry is if important figures in both Caldari State and Mimnitar Republic are needed to be replaced within the next few months. If it is so, then it will be evident someone is manipulating events within each empire.
This is an interesting perspective. There is a chance that the unexplainable delays in both the Federation elections and the Empire's appointing of an Emperor are linked...
Just wild speculation at this point but a scary thought for sure.
Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2005.12.18 12:44:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri, I can understand your point of view and I have some sympathy. I do believe in this important time noone should ignore the Tetrimon scriptures, though. I do not claim they are the original scriptures. How could I? But I do believe there is a very great chance they are. It would be a great atrocity not to examine them before the next succession.
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Khan Rodak
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Posted - 2005.12.18 12:46:00 -
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All I should tell might as well let you rest.
God is watching us. God is wrighting is way. We shall read it soon.
Many emperors died at His hands, regardless the messenger. Many drifts of power were made. Even a moral reform was alowed to happen and succed for some time.
Take a rest.
God is watching us like He watched Heideran or Dorian or all other past emperors.
Trust Him.
Khan Rodak
Manu Dei Religious Order
Congregatio Executorium Officiarius (CEO)
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Ardor
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Posted - 2005.12.18 14:02:00 -
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The scriptures say "There will be obstacles and difficulties. That's his test. We must make his gift deserving."
Grandmaster Elata Ardo said: "Remember, The Amarr people are not superiour solely due to our blood or solely due to our Faith, the Reclaiming was a holy task given to us to redeem ourselves in the eyes of God."
Yes, God is watching us but it's our task to make our own and hopefully right decisions.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.12.18 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ardor
Gaven Lok'ri, I can understand your point of view and I have some sympathy. I do believe in this important time noone should ignore the Tetrimon scriptures, though. I do not claim they are the original scriptures. How could I? But I do believe there is a very great chance they are. It would be a great atrocity not to examine them before the next succession.
The problem with that, Ardor, is that it could take several years to make a thorough examination of the Tetrimon manuscripts.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Ardor
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Posted - 2005.12.18 17:43:00 -
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A fair point. Even Grandmaster Elata Ardo said, "The scriptures must not be changed, for even today there is much in the scriptures that we have not been able to fully translate, and who knows what wonders God has left for us?"
I am not an expert in such examinations. As a layman in such matters I can only assume the most important thing is to check if they are indeed the original (or the oldest known) scriptures. Then I would compare the parts concerning the succession, if they are a part of the scriptures, to see if they were altered and if the moral reform can be justified with the new old knowledge. I admit it might be a too great task to accomplish in such a limited timeframe.
On the other hand wouldn't it be heresy to crown a new Emperor if we are not really safe in what we are doing? I beg you not to use the argument God will choose the Emperor anyway no matter if the succession was or was not performed with the proper ceremony. The amarrians suffered a lot after the moral reform. We have had the split from Khanid and a civil war. The latest succession allowing democratic gallentean influence was dubious. No, I don't know what happened during the moral reform. I don't know if the moral reform can be justified or not. But the Tetrimon scriptures offer us a priceless chance not only to reunite the Kingdom with the Empire but also to wipe out all doubts and to bring back faith and traditions based on the word of God - if this scriptures are what Tetrimon claims them to be. Imagine the power.
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Lord Panther
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Posted - 2005.12.19 01:36:00 -
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I thank my brother from PIE in raising this important issue.
It is clear that this delay is dangerous. The faithful on the fringes and outside of civilized space wonder why our god has not given a new father to his people.
Day after day our temples are filled with pilgrims braving wars and piracy so they may burn incense and pray that the Sucession Committee may reach a speedy conclusion to its deliberations.
It does not seem possible that the god of Amarr has not enlightened them as to how they must proceed. Are they somehow unsure? Have they mistaken the divine revealtions for something else?
Surely they see the risk as the Gallente and the Minmatar gather their fleets. They can not be blind to the chaos these two so called democracies will seek to inflict on the galaxy.
Surely they also know that the children of Amarr cry out for a father to lead them. The question is what shall we do to make our concerns known?
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Kaeleron
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Posted - 2005.12.19 05:15:00 -
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Though it is obvious to all that I am no more Amarr than the sands are the sea, it seems that this "Succession Committee" is waiting. Has there ever been a Holy Emperor taken by sinister forces in the past? If not then I would suppose the committee is waiting to see if this force reveals it's true nature. Solism teaches patience. Would it not be more wise to choose an Emperor after more information falls from fray? Choosing earlier than providence intends may see the Empire with a leader ill prepared to deal with situations effectively. I do not doubt though that the divine will show the Empire's path in due time.
Until then may the divine guide your paths.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:06:00 -
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The Succession Committee needs to take some action. We've seen nothing from them. The murderer of Doriam II is a distant second to the need for an Emperor in terms of importance. Their immediate duty is to the latter. The former can be taken care of later. It's inaction like this which is putting our Empire at uneccesary risk. Indecisiveness and an unwillingness to take action are the biggest threats internally within the Empire. The Tetrimon scriptures sit forgotten at best, disregarded at worst. The Empire is leaderless. An Heir Family has no heir. Terrorists roam free within our borders.
The point is we need a strong, decisive leader and for that, we need a decisive Succession Committee. If action is being taken, then let the loyal know, so that we may have our faith reinforced. As it is, I don't have much faith in the Imperial government in its current form and state. No one takes action. No one takes responsibility. No one makes the tough calls. No one speaks to the faithful.
Leave the bureaucracy to the Federation and the squabbling to the "Republic". Get us an Emperor to lead us to be the Empire we are destined to be. Then watch the rest fall in to place.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.12.19 18:21:00 -
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I suspect the Empire might find the assassin faster with the strong leadership of the new Emperor.
Just a thought.
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Cratus
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Posted - 2005.12.19 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Cratus on 19/12/2005 19:06:50
Though it may sound harsh and i might be misunderstood, but it is more important that the Succession Comitee decides for a new emperor for our great Empire.
Then we could focus all our power to find the one who dared to assasinate our god given Emperor.
The Empire needs to be stable and therefore we need an Emperor. The current situation is....... unpleasant.
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Loth Kothl
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Posted - 2005.12.19 20:39:00 -
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I must agree with my fellow Amarrians. The Committee needs to take action now. Allready terrorists are consolidating their strength while our beloved Empire sits idle with its empty throne. I implore the Succession Committee to give us at least some assurance that the appointment of a new Emporer is being seen to. Such words would reassure and calm the masses.
These are dark times and we need an Emporer to shine the light of the faith.
May God watch over the Empty Throne
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.12.19 21:37:00 -
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It is times like this that makes me glad the State is not run by a single person. The death of one of the megacorp CEOs would be sad, but they would be replaced quickly and even before they are, the wheels of the State would keep turning.
I hope the Amarrians get their new emperor soon. No real leader is never a good thing.
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HEXFORD
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Posted - 2006.01.31 09:14:00 -
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HEXFORD is The Emperor
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.01.31 11:23:00 -
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Although I agree that the Empire needs a strong Emperor, who has the backing of all houses and the navy, a decision should by no means be rushed. The Empire has weathered severall millenia now, so what are a few months or a single lifetime? An Emperor is usually chosen for some hundred years - a task that should not be taken as lightly as in the past.
I'd rather wait than see a democractic *pukes* election process involved again. The heirs will have to prove their worth once a process has been established. We, as humble servants of the Empire, will have to be patient and trust that the best decisions will be made.
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Golan Trevize
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Posted - 2006.01.31 12:45:00 -
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Patience... what is 5 months in a aeon old empire...
The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships.
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Kodan Ajex
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Posted - 2006.01.31 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
Originally by: Vendrin
What we should truely worry is if important figures in both Caldari State and Mimnitar Republic are needed to be replaced within the next few months. If it is so, then it will be evident someone is manipulating events within each empire.
This is an interesting perspective. There is a chance that the unexplainable delays in both the Federation elections and the Empire's appointing of an Emperor are linked...
Just wild speculation at this point but a scary thought for sure.
Agreed though after reading some of the reports I'm getting from our agents it might be a little more than just speculation we are defenatly getting indications that someone or some group may be stiring up trouble between the 4 Empire's but at this moment we dont know who they are or why
To the Amar hope you get you Emporer soon but understand that it may take some time as the old saying gose "act in haste repent at leisure"
"The truest measure of a society is how it treats its elderly, its pets, and its prisoners."
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Rugli
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Posted - 2006.01.31 17:14:00 -
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Ugh, RP ftl
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Lyzra
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Posted - 2006.02.01 00:50:00 -
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I am merely a layman in the religious orders of the Holy Empire. So, I will leave most of the discussion of such topics in the hands of the revered priests.
I am myself pondering out loud the lack of Sarum's Houses Heir in the possible future choice of an Emperor.
I can only offer my own view, but as I come from House Ardishapur controlled space, which is appreciated by its traditional and religious way of living, House Sarum is also a voice of traditions. The depth in which rumors and tarnishing House Sarum's respected name, by suggesting an Heir to been traitorous and not going through the rites as the beloved and passed Empire did rise to guide the Holy Empire.
Suggestions of one waiting in a cloned body, which is a horrible weight and a sin on all of us, even worse if one would be an Emperor. With all of these lies and those lacking the understanding of Sarum's loyality and intrest in the Empire.
Perhaps the House decided they will at the time not appoint an Heir to aspire to become an Emperor, to clip wings from the rumors and people claiming to speak on Sarum's voice, while knowing nothing of loyality nor respecting the traditions.
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Simeon Jolie
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Posted - 2006.02.01 20:59:00 -
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Firstly, I am not Amarr, and would not presume to know the reasons behind the delay. But I do have one possible idea I would like to throw into the mix.
Perhaps the committee has not chosen, because they believe the murder of the Emperor was instigated by one of the very people thay have to choose from? If you were a member of that committee, could you run the risk of selecting such a man to be your Emperor?
While you may believe the choice will be "divinely inspired", you must surely appreciate the pressure this could place on the committee.
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Jaketh Ivanes
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:51:00 -
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We need a new Emperor, and plans for succession trails should be underway if not complete, but no Emperor can sit on the throne untill the assassin(s) have been found and removed. Otherwise, history might repeat itself.
I belive that could be the lesson the Lord want's to teach us, but thats just my humble guessings at divine wisdom.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.02.02 14:18:00 -
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Well, this thread being resurected is a pleasant surprise.
That it is still accurate a month later, is not.
As for the most recent statement that the assassins need to be caught before an emperor can be put in place... this seems to me to be a flawed assumption.
Its an incredibly difficult affair to kill as protected an individual as an Amarr Emperor... and from the press release that occasioned this responce. the Empire seems to know (or have a basic idea)'who' the guilty party was. Now knowing 'who' is alot more difficult in these investigations than 'how', yet once you know how 'who' is only important in 1. revenge, and 2. keeping an eye on your enemies.
As such, I would say that a repeated assassination is no more likely now than it will be after we catch the parties involved.
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