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Cadela Fria
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Posted - 2006.02.03 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Well, this thread being resurected is a pleasant surprise.
That it is still accurate a month later, is not.
As for the most recent statement that the assassins need to be caught before an emperor can be put in place... this seems to me to be a flawed assumption.
Its an incredibly difficult affair to kill as protected an individual as an Amarr Emperor... and from the press release that occasioned this responce. the Empire seems to know (or have a basic idea)'who' the guilty party was. Now knowing 'who' is alot more difficult in these investigations than 'how', yet once you know how 'who' is only important in 1. revenge, and 2. keeping an eye on your enemies.
As such, I would say that a repeated assassination is no more likely now than it will be after we catch the parties involved.
It has been awhile since we have spoken Admiral Gaven, but in these moments of questions, doubt and confusion, I think it is important to remind you that even if you know 'who' killed the Emperor, it is not necessarily an equation which defines your enemy. Any third party of a vast universe, even those you wouldn't expect, could be liable to have taken part in the planning and/or the execution of this act.
Even beyond that, the 'who' and the 'why' seem irrelevant by comparison to the complexity of the lack a new Emperor being appointed, in which you are completely correct Admiral Gaven, but again the 'why' might be less relevant then you might think. It might even be more obvious then you can imagine.
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Mr Vapor
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Posted - 2006.02.03 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Vapor on 03/02/2006 10:50:35 Okay, now I'm just a terrorist on the outside looking in but, to me, it seems kind of obvious. Let's look at some facts.
Doriam wasn't real popular to begin with. His reign as "God's Appointed Crap Stain" wasn't even really popular amongst his people. As soon as he was assasinated, the Succession Committee steps in and seizes power and launches an "investigation" that has taken months with absolutely no real leads. Then, all of the sudden, exiled religious fanatics that even the Amarrian consider somewhat, how shall we say, overzealous are allowed back into the Empire with open arms.
Seems to me that Succession Committee got together, decided God's choice wasn't right in Doriam to rule the sheep, dusted his crusty Emperor Butt (I capitalized butt because he was an emperor after all. Much love for the dead man), and then allowed a cult that I don't believe any Emperor in their right mind would have let come back. If you can't see the puppet strings maybe you should step out of your backward thinking religious zeal and join us all in the real world.
Your entire race is being set up for a big fall and you set and debate politics. One wonders where your God is at right now that you need him most. He probably quit when he realized your kind were about as smart as the rocks you live under.
Wake up Amarrians. You're going to be led into the jaws of a beast.
Vapor
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Khan Rodak
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Posted - 2006.02.04 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Vapor (...) and then allowed a cult that I don't believe any Emperor in their right mind would have let come back. If you can't see the puppet strings maybe you should step out of your backward thinking religious zeal and join us all in the real world.
Your entire race is being set up for a big fall and you set and debate politics. One wonders where your God is at right now that you need him most. He probably quit when he realized your kind were about as smart as the rocks you live under.
Wake up Amarrians. You're going to be led into the jaws of a beast.
Vapor
One can easly see how this would serve your intentions.
Is now that God is actually looking for us and fixing things.
a Manu Dei et Tet Rimon Once a Manudeist, always a Manudeist
Khan Rodak Manu Dei Religious Order Congregatio Executorium Officiarius
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Mr Vapor
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Posted - 2006.02.04 07:44:00 -
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What the hell did that sentence mean? I mean really, what did it mean. It's incoherent and makes me wonder if you've been drinking.
-V
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.02.04 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Vapor What the hell did that sentence mean? I mean really, what did it mean. It's incoherent and makes me wonder if you've been drinking.
-V
He means that your ignorance of this matter says more about you than it does about the Empire.
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Denny Crane
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Posted - 2006.02.04 22:14:00 -
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Greetings,
We eagerly await the new Emperor. Our loyalties are to the Empire.
Regards,
Denny Crane Chancellor Black Storm Clan
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2006.02.05 01:15:00 -
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If the damned Succession council can't get off their aged fannies and accomplish something, let it pass to the second house in the last succession already. I have no vested interest in this of course.
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Jaketh Ivanes
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Posted - 2006.02.05 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Detaitiv If the damned Succession council can't get off their aged fannies and accomplish something, let it pass to the second house in the last succession already. I have no vested interest in this of course.
Thats not feasable, as the Heir of that house commited suicide as he/she should.
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2006.02.05 13:50:00 -
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Thus my usage of House rather than Heir.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.02.06 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Detaitiv If the damned Succession council can't get off their aged fannies and accomplish something, let it pass to the second house in the last succession already. I have no vested interest in this of course.
The trouble is that the house in which you have no vested interest does not even have a named heir at the moment.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.02.06 14:35:00 -
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Brother Blake I would disagree, the problem is we do not have the origianl ruling body as ordained by God for control of the empire. perhaps this is a good time for us to restore the original Apostolic Council and put Amarr back on the path God chose for us in the beginning.
Under the council this crisis of leadership would not exist....
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Arderich
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Posted - 2006.02.06 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Edward Sarum Brother Blake I would disagree, the problem is we do not have the origianl ruling body as ordained by God for control of the empire. perhaps this is a good time for us to restore the original Apostolic Council and put Amarr back on the path God chose for us in the beginning.
The argument that the Council of Apostels was and still is the will of God needs to be prooven. This is one of the reasons why we have to be patient.
Originally by: Edward Sarum Under the council this crisis of leadership would not exist....
Wrong, practically for the succession it doesn't make a difference if the people from the pool of those who can become the next Emperor call themself Apostels or Heirs.
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Khan Rodak
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Posted - 2006.02.06 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Arderich (...) Wrong, practically for the succession it doesn't make a difference if the people from the pool of those who can become the next Emperor call themself Apostels or Heirs.
Hi my friend Arderich.
You are not right in my view this time. The need to actually kill yourself or not has much to do with it.
The Apostles Council will be the right solution. You must have your own believes rather than always wait for the heralds of the last years of lies speaches (yes i mean the Theology Council if anyones has any doubt).
a Manu Dei et Tet Rimon once a manudeist, always a manudeist
Be blessed Khan Rodak Manu Dei Religious Order Congregatio Executorium Officiarius
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Arderich
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Posted - 2006.02.06 22:52:00 -
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I know nothing about the ceremonies of the Council of Apostels.
The original statement to which I replied was "Under the council this crisis of leadership would not exist...." and I doubt the problem is to find a pool of participants who would love to become the next Emperor. Practically it doesn't matter if the participants of that pool call themself Heirs or Apostels or whatever. Of course they must be alive before they competete. It is irrelevant if they kill themself afterwards. The current Heirs are very much alive. The problem of house Sarum is self created. It would be even easier to continue the way of the previous successions with participants from the Privy Council then to find/choose 11 Apostels. Could you name 11 Apostels?
If, and that is still a valid question, the Moral Reform was a crime against the will of God then the houses of Ardishapur, Kador, Kor-Azor, Sarum and last but not least Khanid all were involved. Months ago Ardor said regarding this issue: "we Amarr are all in the same boat." What to do with the current Heirs of the royal houses? Are they guilty, too?
The problem is to find the will of God. Privy Council or Council of Apostels? You might have better access to the Tetrimon scriptures than me so you safely can say it's the CoA but how could I make the right decisions without such knowledge?
I can only be loyal to one. The citizens of the Amarr Empire currently don't have such a problem because there is no Emperor. I have sworn loyality to King Khanid II. I don't switch loyality like others change their underwear. In my first reply to Grand Master Horm I have said I can't promise to fully support Tetrimon because I fear there might come a conflict of interests in near future. As long as I see Khanid II as Gods chosen one (der Wahrhaftige) there can not be another one rightfully claiming to be Emperor. This is the conflict.
A man who tells me he has the true scriptures in his cellar but is not showing me evidence will hardly make me turn my back against my King. I have heard many wise words from Tetrimon. They are all very much appreciated but not sufficient. I know other wise Amarrians as well.
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Soratah
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Posted - 2006.02.07 01:51:00 -
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I believe the privy council instituted the Succession commitee and the current powerbase of noble houses because it's siding with the Emperor in his "moral reforms". If Tetrimon came to light that diverting from the Theocratic ruling of the Council of Apostles was heresey Then the Emperor committed a act against the interests of the Empire by diverting from God.
The ramifications for the noble houses? At what point was the complete truth known? This whole issue was obviously obfuscated to a point that even the noble house leaders had no idea of the complete truth. Sanctions against the houses for following Imperial rule during the time of reform out of ignorance if the truth should be forgiven and not used to damage the Empire further.
However, IF Tetrimon's scriptures prove this, then it would seem that Khanid's defection and Lady Sarum's suicide were actually the appropriate course of action in the circumstances. If this is the case and the apostles re-established then I believe the council should be open to representitives of Khanid and Sarum.
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2006.02.07 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
The trouble is that the house in which you have no vested interest does not even have a named heir at the moment.
Second house doesn't have an heir? Last time I checked only Sarum, the third house, lacked an heir.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.02.07 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Detaitiv
Originally by: Rodj Blake
The trouble is that the house in which you have no vested interest does not even have a named heir at the moment.
Second house doesn't have an heir? Last time I checked only Sarum, the third house, lacked an heir.
My apologies, I had thought that Sarum was the runner-up.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Arna Padrona
Amarr Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.28 14:43:00 -
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This is strange indeed. What could possibly prevent the Comittee from performing their most important duty, choosing a new Emperor to rule the empire, for such a long period of time?
Well, one explanation has been offered. They enjoy being in power so much that they have decided not to find a sucessor, and hope that in time people get used to the way things are, and stop questioning them. I think perhaps this is not the most likely of explanations for a number of reasons., but let's not get into that.
I think we should also consider an alternative to the aforementioned explanation. This may sound exceedingly sinister but: We need to keep in mind that our beloved Emperor was assassinated and the assassins have not yet been identified. We also need to keep in mind that many of the Emperor's enemies were from within the Empire, not from outside.
I think perhaps we need to consider the possibility that the comittee is hesitant to proceed with their sworn duty for a very simple reason; they may be suspecting that the true master of the assassination is one of the royal families, even one of the heirs themselves.
This would explain the comittee's silence. This would explain the comittee's focus on finding the assassins, rather than a new Emperor. They may find themselves unable to appoint an Emperor, while there's a risk that they will hand the Empire to a murderer.
I truly do hope that this is just me being overly cynical.
for Empire and Order, Sister Arna Padrona
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Sepherim
Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2006.10.28 22:07:00 -
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Question is, are they really working on it? It's been months since any new info on the murder was made public. As it looks, they could well be just sitting on their seats and looking through windows. And part, IMO, is due to CONCORD. Amarr issues should be left to the Amarr to solve. --------------------- One Empire, One Emperor, One Faith, One Amarr... A Whole Universe Under One rule. Keter of the Ordo Quaesitoris. |
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