You should stop saying killmails are good enough because it only shows how little you understand of the significance a damage meter can have in comparison. The people who usualy kept whining ingame in WoW when people posted damage logs in raid chat were usualy the same people who didnt know how to play properly and did not like it because it revealed their incompetence. And im not talking about panda WoW here i mean classic/TBC.

Can you please tell me the problem of having a damage meter in EVE?

If one player is doing considerable more damage than another with the same ship over and over and fit and also have the same skills then it means the other is slacking. That is what i mean. And if you dont think thats enough reason i think PvE players like incursion runners would very much apriciate a damage meter at least.

That's exactly Tirel's point though. With the help of a damage meter in these cases, you could identify the bad pilot.

Yes, anyway. I should have added this on the top but the incursion community would apriciate a damage meter. And i think it would be useful for PvP aswell, though not so much, yes.

I agree it won't be great for the arrogant, shiny only incursion runners. It would however be useful for FC's to see who's simply leeching from incursion groups (and believe me, it happens).

Outside of that, EVE won't really get much value from a damage meter... But it could do with some indicator (not a damage meter), to inform FC's whether the person meant to be dealing DPS is actually suitable for the fleet they're in, and whether they're not just slacking, but leeching.


I'd suggest a system whereby the average DPS is calculated for the fleet/wing/squad/whatever, and anyone not flying a logistics ship (i.e., anyone who isn't doing a significant amount of repairs), has their personal DPS compared to the average. The FC can then set percentage (lets say 50% for this example) of that average DPS. If a pilot drops below that, an un-intrusive message can be displayed to the FC, and the FC only.


This allows FC's to decide whether the pilot is leeching. For example, if they're in a deadspace fit Machariel or Vindicator, and they're doing less than half the average DPS in a Vanguard site, then it's pretty fair to say that they're probably leeching. If they're a triple webbing Loki, then chances are they're just concentrating on that. A good FC would be able to glance the report quickly and tell if anyone's leeching or not.


Again, incursions are really the only thing I can think of as anything like this being useful. You could argue a case for running anomalies in null with your corp or whatever, but that's normally a lot more relaxed, and as it's your corp, then it's not classed as "leeching".


Finally, on the flip-side, a personal DPS meter, or some kind of accessible battle report could be extremely handy... Want to find out, in real-life scenarios how much the changes to cruise missiles have made to hitting frigates? Don't really have/want a head for numbers? Then go out in the field, try it out, have a look at a brief battle report.

You could then share them if you wanted to or whatever...


TL;DR: I can see Incursion FC's having a use for this, as well as maybe other FC's in general. I don't see the general populous as needing it, and don't really think it should be implemented for everyone. As a personal tool, just for your eyes, about your performance in a fight/mission, I think it could also be good.


Oh, and as for the people talking about Killmails... They're not particularly detailed, especially in terms of damage breakdown. Also, I've only ever received a killmail when getting popped in PvE, which doesn't help me tune my performance for certain fits/missions really.

But WoW is dying and some of its players are coming here aparrently. We need new ways to identify their incompetence so we can send them back to their unholy spawning pits.