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Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome
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Posted - 2013.07.30 22:40:00 -
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Ok I"m bored at work and need to start a flaming thread :)
What are in your opinion the most underrated frigs (T1) now that they have been rebalanced? Can also put T2 in there is you want but some of them still have to undergo rebalance.
Mine are the rifter and punisher (no surprise there for anyone who has read my post)
The rifter is still king of versitility for me and can be fit to counter most if not all the other T1 frigs. It is a true jack of all trades, master of none. If it come up against another ship fit to do the same it will lose 9/10 times. Now more than ever before I feel the rifter rewards the better pilot in both combat tactics once engaged but also picking the right fight.
The Punisher will ALWAYS be a favourite of mine. It was the first 'combat' ship I flew in 2003 and still keep going back to them today. A lot of people hate on them because of the 2 mid slots etc but I just think it give them more character, also I often don't even fit a scram (cos its only a punisher after all), and you'd be surprised how many people don't even notice. It is a tanky little beast and can put out some excellent damage (scorch FTW - 122 DPS at 10km cold! or 171dps at 3km with conflag cold) and if you forego the scram and stick a web on there you have decent range control ability, or at least not get completely controlled by a faster ship.
A lot of people cite tracking as the big issue with these but I generally fit 2 metastasis rigs and never had anything get 'under my guns' when flying them. Picking the wrong ammo however is a mistake I seem to constantly make though 
So what are your underrated frigs that you enjoy flying effectively?
Oh and for reference just to show how bad I am my stats with these are:
Rifter K/D 58(32)/58(38) solo in brackets
Punisher 33(14)/24(14)
Not all time but over the last 18 months or so. I probably would have higher numbers if I stopped fluffing around in any and every ship I fancy on a whim 
That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
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Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
Imperial Outlaws.
1265
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Posted - 2013.07.30 22:56:00 -
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Rifter
SAR fit
AB, Web, Scram
Secret sauce is HG Halo set. |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
148
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Posted - 2013.07.31 01:03:00 -
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Im with you mate. If I fly out in a frig it will be 99 times out of 100 in a punisher or one of its t2 variants
"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
Templis Dragonaors
144
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Posted - 2013.07.31 01:53:00 -
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Job Valador wrote:Im with you mate. If I fly out in a frig it will be 99 times out of 100 in a punisher or one of its t2 variants
Vengeance is the best frig in the game - I dare anyone to disprove this known secret fact of the winds.
Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation
Faction Warfare, PvP, Training
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Liam Inkuras
Justified Chaos
356
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Posted - 2013.07.31 03:09:00 -
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My laser Imicus is wonderfully underrated. I have yet to actually peel it off EFT though and fit it up in-game.
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1029
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Posted - 2013.07.31 04:05:00 -
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I sort of wonder the opposite. Why do so many people fly atrons and slashers in pvp? Is the 400k isk you save worth losing 9xs out of 10?
I am not sure you would get more fights either since so many of these ships are just fw pilots that warp away, I (and probably other pvpers) don't even bother warping to them half the time.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
2363
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Posted - 2013.07.31 04:34:00 -
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The Helios:
Helios vs Taranis
Helios vs Slicer
Helios vs Auto Wolf
Helios vs Arty Wolf
Helios vs Jaguar
Helios vs Harpy
Helios vs Thrasher
Helios vs Sabre
[Helios, Battle Helios]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
1MN Afterburner II
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Hobgoblin II x1
Note: Against some ships, you need 2x web instead of 2x track, so you can hold them at 8 km's and blap them into oblivion with an overwhelming 140 dps!
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Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
330
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:22:00 -
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The heron.
That many mid-slots mean a web-scram-td-mse and ab. Kinda like a hookbil midslot layout.
meaning you can sit at 7k taking very little damage and disengage at will. |
William Walker
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
161
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:26:00 -
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Sentinels. Totally underrated.
pâ+(*GîÆGêçGîÆ*)n+ë pü+(pé£GêçpÇü-¦)pü+ (GùòGÇ+GùòG£+) |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
257
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Posted - 2013.07.31 08:51:00 -
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The ares, it's in the shadow of it's brothers as far as dps goes, but it's a mean kiter with the point range bonus.
"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1230
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:31:00 -
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William Walker wrote:Sentinels. Totally underrated.
Noone thinks sentinels are bad..
Sentinels are ******* assholes.
I think the Breacher is a bit underrated, i generally get 6:1 or higher with it.
The comet i feel is actually a bit underrated even though people think its good. People don't seem to realize that it can roll over just about any other frigate in the game, rocket AF's excluded. My record in one was 1:19 and that included 2 3v1's and one 4v1 as well as multiple AF's and faction frigs.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1230
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:32:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:The Helios: Helios vs TaranisHelios vs SlicerHelios vs DramielHelios vs Auto WolfHelios vs Arty WolfHelios vs JaguarHelios vs HarpyHelios vs ThrasherHelios vs SabreHelios vs Sabre[Helios, Battle Helios] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script 1MN Afterburner II 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Hobgoblin II x1 Note: Against some ships, you need 2x web instead of 2x track, so you can hold them at 8 km's and blap them into oblivion with an overwhelming 140 dps!
I did this once, its quite fun right up to the moment when a ******* incursus realises he can just kill your drones and then permatank you =<
BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Maximillian German
Spectres Syndicate
46
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:11:00 -
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not true, those guns on the comet are still nasty |
Liam Inkuras
Justified Chaos
356
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:22:00 -
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Flying a Comet does bring many fights. I've had several nice 2v1s in my rail/AB/scram/web comet and it simply demolished the competition. It also stomps dual web Hookbills.
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Danny John-Peter
Stay Frosty.
251
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Posted - 2013.07.31 15:41:00 -
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Cearain wrote:I sort of wonder the opposite. Why do so many people fly atrons and slashers in pvp? Is the 400k isk you save worth losing 9xs out of 10?
I am not sure you would get more fights either since so many of these ships are just fw pilots that warp away, I (and probably other pvpers) don't even bother warping to them half the time.
Slashers and Atrons are both very Viable actually when fitted and flown correctly. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
998
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Posted - 2013.07.31 15:57:00 -
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Rifter and Punisher are hardly underrated.
My choice for the most underrated pvp frigate would be the Heron - lots of CPU, lots of mid slots, huge drone bay, ... really just put a MAPC in the 2nd low and it can be anything you want it to be.
Metastasis rigs are a bad idea imho. Many enemies don't have tracking disruptors at all and even a single tracking disruptor should not really cause you problems (use approach or keep at range, don't use t2 ammo) - giving up rig slots on the off chance of encountering an enemy that can tracking disrupt you effectively is a waste. If you are worried carry some Drop around with you.
edit: I just see that Stalking Mantis, already beat me to it. +1 to his post. |
Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1029
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:19:00 -
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Punishers are great if you are not in a solo fight. If you are in a solo fight the lack of mids is a problem. The tracking rigs and drop might help this. If you ab fit then you will be easy to kite if you mwd fit then reducing transversal will likely be impossible.
TBH they really didn't need the resistance nerf from 5 to 4%.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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JonnyRandom
68
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:12:00 -
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Quote: so you can hold them at 8 km's and blap them into oblivion with an overwhelming 140 dps!
I don't know how you get 140dps. Even with all lvl 5 skills and overheated guns, the dps comes up to 111. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1231
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:45:00 -
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Maximillian German wrote:not true, those guns on the comet are still nasty
Whats not true?
BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
2376
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Posted - 2013.07.31 18:41:00 -
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JonnyRandom wrote:Quote: so you can hold them at 8 km's and blap them into oblivion with an overwhelming 140 dps! I don't know how you get 140dps. Even with all lvl 5 skills and overheated guns, the dps comes up to 111.
You need to include the drone DPS. The Helios gets a 50% bonus to drone thermal damage, so the single hobgoblin delivers the extra 29 dps. Without heat, you deal 111 dps when including the drone. |
Syrias Bizniz
Space-Brewery-Association
24eme Legion Etrangere
204
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Posted - 2013.07.31 20:14:00 -
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Confirming that a Helios is underrated, lost a Firetail to one and managed to get barely through armor. You know, like, 2 thirds of his tank still intact.
My most underrated frig would be the Maulus.
Followed by the breacher. The breacher actually is so strong i can't believe i see so few of them. |
Perkin Warbeck
Black Watch Guard
Brothers of Tangra
151
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Posted - 2013.07.31 21:57:00 -
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The rail Tristan. We can probably lock this thread now. |
Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
529
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Posted - 2013.07.31 21:59:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Rifter and Punisher are hardly underrated.
Metastasis rigs are a bad idea imho. Many enemies don't have tracking disruptors at all and even a single tracking disruptor should not really cause you problems (use approach or keep at range, don't use t2 ammo) - giving up rig slots on the off chance of encountering an enemy that can tracking disrupt you effectively is a waste. If you are worried carry some Drop around with you.
edit: I just see that Stalking Mantis, already beat me to it. +1 to his post.
The reason I picked these two as the general consensus in these forums is that they are pretty much the worst of the 'combat' T1 frigs atm. You definately don't get all the 'Nerf the rifter' threads anymore and only a select few ever sing the praises of the punisher.
For the punisher my fit minimises the weaknesses it has (range control & pulse laser tracking) seeing as most people just assume they can desengage at will with a punisher I don't even bother to hold them. A web and tracking rigs allows you to even use conflag (200+dps with my implants/skills) crystals and burn them down before they realise they are not pointed. And when most people see they are losing they often try to burn away to break point?! It is all about appling as much damage as possible. Against any competant pilot it should always be a loss but it just doesn't happen that way. 
Add to the list
Venture and probe. Both capable of delivering decent damage and tank, added bonus that most people see them as noobish pve ships so good if you are a non flashy pirate looking to surprise targets.
That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Iron Oxide.
52
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Posted - 2013.08.02 14:15:00 -
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Perkin Warbeck wrote:The rail Tristan. We can probably lock this thread now.
Actually, the rail Tristan is easily the most powerful frigate these days.
As for underrated ships, my vote goes to
Rail Atron
AC Maulus
ASB Breacher
pew pew |
Drax Concrilla
Friends with no benefits
ASCENSI0N.
12
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Posted - 2013.08.02 16:54:00 -
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I'm going to second the Punisher, Rifter, and Breacher. I'd also like to add the Executioner - seems that I don't see many around and I've heard many comments belittling it when I've flown it (poorly). |
Raptors Mole
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
154
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:29:00 -
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Tormentor. Scram kite fit.
Gets engaged by anyone and everyone in FW plexes, mostly solo as well.
I image the comment on Militia comms is something like;
"Pfttt, one sec some idiot is flying a Tormentor, just gonna kill it brb".
Lovely
Had a good sucess rate in it with 10mil SP alt. More importantly it gets fights.
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Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
309
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Posted - 2013.08.06 10:23:00 -
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Vagabond |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
446
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:10:00 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote:Perkin Warbeck wrote:The rail Tristan. We can probably lock this thread now. Actually, the rail Tristan is easily the most powerful frigate these days. As for underrated ships, my vote goes to Rail Atron AC Maulus ASB Breacher
AC Maulus? Haven't heard of that before. How would a Maulus utilize its most effective bonuses (targeting range damps) at AC range?
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Voxinian
16
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:05:00 -
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The Condor. Not the best for sure, but really fun with a stable MWD fit. Drones can-¦t catch it, webbers are pretty much useless against it and with a TP it can still deliver a punch... till you get scrambled of course. |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Iron Oxide.
55
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:54:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Zen Guerrilla wrote:Perkin Warbeck wrote:The rail Tristan. We can probably lock this thread now. Actually, the rail Tristan is easily the most powerful frigate these days. As for underrated ships, my vote goes to Rail Atron AC Maulus ASB Breacher AC Maulus? Haven't heard of that before. How would a Maulus utilize its most effective bonuses (targeting range damps) at AC range?
You don't have to fit damps on a Maulus. Pretend it's a slasher with a 20m3 drone bay. On the other hand, you can fit 280s, mwd, a long point,2 damps and pretend you're a hookbill with tracking issues.
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