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Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1294	Posted - 2011.10.26 21:57:00 - [1] - Quote As we have all learned, one of the greatest aspects of EVE is that, in highsec, "suicide ganking" is possible. It functions as a wonderful way of adding content to the game, and acts as a wonderful tool to combat several problems with EVE highsec. First, botting. As we all know, most highsec professions are heavily botted, with mining being a significant offender. It is rare, in fact, to find a human ice miner: tests have shown that in an ordinary ice belt (non-interdicted) you can systematically gank each mackinaw in the belt in order, with virtually no one realizing that after the fifth gank, it may be time to put the ship away. Likewise with veld mining: roidripper was such a massively popular bot that it was one of the first ones targeted by CCP. However, all is not lost: there's nary a bot in a gallente ice system anywhere in Empire. Suicide ganking has been an extraordinarally effective method of delivering an anti-bot message - and, through creating situations novel to a bot but easily understood and reacted to by a human, provided an excellent method to identify and report bots. Were highsec to take up its often-alleged anti-botting fervor that mysteriously only shows up when bots are being ganked on an unprecedented scale, bots could be eliminated from far more than a small subset of belts. By making min/max ships like the Hulk and Mack easy to gank, CCP has done something great: it's prevented them from being used by botters effectively. If you choose to bot, you can't use the best ship avalible. Similar things should be done to the other commonly botted EVE profession: mission-running. As we all know - or should know - mission botting is wildly popular and has resulted in massive deflation of the value of LP, with some 5% implants going for a mere 10m isk (such as medium hybrid turret damage implants). It's not viable, of course, to simply turn mission-running ships into hulk-like paper. What should be done, however, is restructuring missions to do all DPS of a specific damage type, forcing mission runners to heavily tank for a specific type of damage. This prevents bots from using omnitanks for missions, and once the bots become advanced enough to use the correct tank, leaves giant resist holes a proper ganking team can use to express their anti-botting message through destruction of the offending ship. Or, to take another solution, Concord could react significantly more slowly in deadspace, allowing gankers to more easily destroy the offending ship with less people, but still ensuring that Concord eventually gets their man. Second, is monotony. EVE has bad PvE. It's true, and nobody can really argue with it: missions, ratting, and mining are all extremely boring activities. There's not really a good way to make them better, either - minigames will quickly become tedious clickfests and the player will rarely, if ever, be challenged. Instead, players simply perform the correct min-maxed actions and essentially roleplay a bot. Increasing their gankability makes the activity more exciting. Gallente ice miners have discovered recently that mining can be much more exciting than monotonously dragging ore into stations: fitting tanks, baiting gankers, and learning how to survive is infinitely more rewarding - and the difficulty makes it financially more rewarding as well. This same excitement can be spread to all EVE highsec activities - though increased interaction with other players, people will encounter new and novel situations to keep their EVE activities exciting. Naturally, they'll be free to "tank up" - much like a miner can mine more slowly but more safely in a Rokh, they'll be free to choose safer missions - level threes, perhaps, would allow missioners to overtank to resist ganks while they learn the ropes. But because there's rewards for placing yourself slightly at risk, though never in a place where your attacker is not destroyed, people will be encouraged to play EVE in a more interesting way. Lastly, Content. Highsec is boring: nothing really ever happens. No grand battles, no shifts of territory, nothing. Ganking provides the sort of conflict that Highsec sorely needs. Nothing in Highsec has been nearly as interesting in years as the Goonswarm Ice Interdiction: it has provided exciting opportunities to thousands of players, ranging from mackinaw inventors, to brutix builders, to market speculators, to mercenaries. Naturally, there are a few who cannot adapt and spill veritable gigawats of electons on the forums decrying the interdiction, but the vast majority of highsec is too excited and interested in EVE to bother with forums. It even encourages highsec organization, which may help them in the upcoming CSM elections avoid being a horde of disorganized malcontents who cannot even agree on candidates to stand behind. It provides excitement for everyone who has become disenchanted with EVE, and wonderful news coverage that makes people interested in the exciting possibilities of EVE, a dark and violent universe. For these reasons, I believe CCP should rebalance most highsec money-making activities to make them similar to mining in gankability; to min-max or bot the activity, you ought to be required leave yourself open to ganking, while maintaining the well-balanced system of penalties EVE uses to keep such ganking restrained and in fits and spurts rather than a low-level hum.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1296	Posted - 2011.10.26 22:31:00 - [2] - Quote Big Bad Mofo wrote: This is exactly why new players leave the game, instead of trying to pick on highsec carebears then perhaps CCP should make PVP more available. LIke battlegrounds, ladders etc.. More 0.0 NPC regions, etc. Seriously we need to start preserving the new players.. Precisely, we must make pvp more avalible. Suicide ganking, an interesting and fun pvp activity unique to EVE, is a great way to start: newbies learn the basics of fitting effective tanks, or learn how to fit gank ships to do their own suicide ganking. It is merely a lack of imagination and vision that prevents highseccers from seeing how much better suicide ganking makes highsec.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1301	Posted - 2011.10.26 23:32:00 - [3] - Quote Big Bad Mofo wrote: The Mittani wrote: Big Bad Mofo wrote: This is exactly why new players leave the game, instead of trying to pick on highsec carebears then perhaps CCP should make PVP more available. LIke battlegrounds, ladders etc.. More 0.0 NPC regions, etc. Seriously we need to start preserving the new players.. A new player who is a bot is no player at all. Down with hisec bots! bots fine i agree, but hes not just talking about bots is he. Tbh CCP should develop some anti botting mechanics to resolve that issue I'm glad you agree with me on the serious need to combat highsec bots. As you can see from my post, one of the many features of suicide ganking is its dramatic effect on bots. Goonswarm has done in weeks what CCP has been unable to do for years: eradicate botting in a specific region of eve. Imagine what we could all do, working together, if given the proper tools.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1311	Posted - 2011.10.27 12:43:00 - [4] - Quote Kingston Black wrote: gd damnit why am i -10 when all the fun is in highsec ffs Being -10 is no reason not to go into highsec and gank people, you just need an alt to move your ships for you.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1315	Posted - 2011.10.27 13:43:00 - [5] - Quote Golar Crexis wrote: The Mittani wrote: Big Bad Mofo wrote: This is exactly why new players leave the game, instead of trying to pick on highsec carebears then perhaps CCP should make PVP more available. LIke battlegrounds, ladders etc.. More 0.0 NPC regions, etc. Seriously we need to start preserving the new players.. A new player who is a bot is no player at all. Down with hisec bots! :tinfoil: In 0.0, we can eliminate bots, but highsec, though CONCORD, has made it problematic to eliminate bots en masse. The best solution to botting is making it easier to gank mission runner bots, the last safe bot.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1315	Posted - 2011.10.27 18:34:00 - [6] - Quote Exactly, and what's an easier target than a bot? The easier it is to gank, the less bots will survive.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1316	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:49:00 - [7] - Quote Dirk Decibel wrote: The Mittani wrote: Big Bad Mofo wrote: This is exactly why new players leave the game, instead of trying to pick on highsec carebears then perhaps CCP should make PVP more available. LIke battlegrounds, ladders etc.. More 0.0 NPC regions, etc. Seriously we need to start preserving the new players.. A new player who is a bot is no player at all. Down with hisec bots! Yes, but let the null sec bots live in peace, after all, Goonswarm's job not to play police for CCP and Goons don't **** other Goons amirite? There are no goons who bot.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1316	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:52:00 - [8] - Quote Were there botting goons, they would have been destroyed long ago, much like gallente ice miner bots. Botters are weeded out in 0.0, so they flock to highsec. Suddenly, when we start murdering bots, we see an immense anti-goon hue and cry from "legitimate highsec players" on the forums. Do the math yourself.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1382	Posted - 2011.11.01 20:57:00 - [9] - Quote Gheng Kondur wrote: Love it, 100% support. But of course on the condition that every non-bot who gets ganked gains a full refund from the Goons for all losses upon submission of a petition to CCP within 10 mins of the gank. Shouldn't cost you too much as they nearly all botters and as that is your target, you'll obviously have no problems with reparations to the few who aren't. Of course not; if CCP's methods were effective at telling who was or was not a bot we wouldn't be having nearly as much fun. Good ganking is like a CAPCHA: it is the turing test. If you happen to be dumber than a bot, well, we've got other problems.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1700	Posted - 2011.11.22 15:24:00 - [10] - Quote Thredd Necro wrote: POWER TO THE BOTTERS!!! DOWN WITH NULLBEARS!!!... this pretty much sums up the highsec response

Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1716	Posted - 2011.11.23 19:37:00 - [11] - Quote threadd necro is merely the only honest highsec pubbie, freely admitting his desire for a safer highsec is to protect his EULA-breaking botting operation. he is not a lone villian; he is merely the lone honest one willing to openly stand behind what he does but as an honest highsec pubbie he is an excellet test case: the standard-bearer of the 'anti-goon' highsec contingent is precisely what you'd expect and we've told everyone to expect: an unrepentant botter
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1716	Posted - 2011.11.23 20:13:00 - [12] - Quote we are busy murdering alliances in delve while we engage in the community service of clensing highsec of botters like threadd necro and yourself
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1722	Posted - 2011.11.26 01:15:00 - [13] - Quote Thredd Necro wrote: Lord Zim wrote: Kiwis23 wrote: just because you can't find victims in 0.0? I giggle every time some pubbie manages to type this out with a straight face. I giggle every time some goonparrot/goonlemming/nullbear manages to use the word "pubbie" as a pejorative. look it thinks its people
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1722	Posted - 2011.11.26 01:15:00 - [14] - Quote good old Thredd Necro walking on his hind legs like a little rory calhoon
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1762	Posted - 2011.12.04 04:22:00 - [15] - Quote xxVastorxx wrote: If they make ganking easier. Can CCP also make it so Goons Arent always Full of Fail? If your so great at ganking and must suggest for easier ways to gank then you must be full of fail I am full of thrashers and ham
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1785	Posted - 2011.12.06 15:30:00 - [16] - Quote I love the new insurance change my home system is filled with macks that think they don't need to tank anymore; I have actually had to stop ganking because I ran out of t1 thorax mods (which I buy by the hundreds) and have overtaken mittens though a two-day campaign of savagery also i podded hella miners
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1838	Posted - 2011.12.11 19:01:00 - [17] - Quote Nullbeard Rager wrote: Aah indeed.../bow you called someone lame and then typed the above on the internet the irony is staggering
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1845	Posted - 2011.12.12 14:47:00 - [18] - Quote Nullbeard Rager wrote: Clearly you entertain some fantasy that you are witty and funny. It's good to have dreams I guess. i would find it far more concerning if you thought i was witty and funny
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1845	Posted - 2011.12.12 14:48:00 - [19] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Killing missioners and incursion runners is great fun, don't get me wrong, but what about all these highsec research and manufacturing POSes? Because of the immense difficulty of killing a POS with a limited number of people and no capitals highsec industrialists are getting away with putting significant assets in space in order to make money without those assets ever being in danger of being destroyed. Nobody likes a large faction tower covered in ECM batteries run by a 2 man corp that you can't kill due to the horrible war mechanics. To deal with pos, you need to fix empire war mechanics which are a joke. Also pos that go offline should be shootable to get rid of the detrius of failed corporations that will never re-online the thing.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2252	Posted - 2012.02.20 21:59:00 - [20] - Quote I have returned from posting exile to carry the banner of ganking once again. Now, more than ever, it is critical to know to what extent the highsec candidates support botting and wish to leave it unpoliced.

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