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Shinnen
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:12:00 -
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3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?
Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?
Any suggestions?
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:13:00 -
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Fix the servers?
Yeah, seems like the perfect compensation to me.
[Now with MIND BULLETS!]
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Freibeuter
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:14:00 -
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Just remember: All the new content (which you'll never get to use because it costs billions of isk) is free! 
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:14:00 -
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They aren't entitled to give you compensation. Read the EULA.
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Pwny McPwnerson
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:14:00 -
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Nothing. Read your EULA. They don't owe anyone anything.
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snowpanther
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:14:00 -
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I just want a server I can Play on cos this 1 is full 
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Derekin
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: Derekin on 18/12/2005 21:19:18
 Originally by: Shinnen
3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?
Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?
Any suggestions?
Maybe you can do a deal with CCP?
They reimburse you your 3-days worth of subs (worth about $5), and in return you can pay them for the free content upgrade they've just spent the last 6 months coding? It'll only set you back about $30 going on what other complanies charge for their upgrades.
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:20:00 -
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Free expansions... none of this "Jump to lightspeed" crap, or the EQ's area expansion packs which you have to buy... Or buy this for to get this new uber stuff etc etc.
Nope, we get free expansions. There your compensated. STFU.
Anyway what important thing have you to go to do anyway apart from cause the thing your whining about lol. I love 0.0.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:22:00 -
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i would like compensation for having to read the sheer utter crap you whiner babays are spewing out.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:25:00 -
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I seriously think it's time for some people to relax.
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Sparschwein
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:26:00 -
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STFU right back at you fanboy bunch.
I don't care about expansion stuff consisting of ships I'll never be able to buy.
I want to play and I can't.
The rest of your beautiful expansion is a bunch of nerfs. Being thankfully we don't have to pay for getting nerfed, are we?
Morons.
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Megadon
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shinnen
3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?
Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?
Any suggestions?
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Jerusaleman
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Derekin
Edited by: Derekin on 18/12/2005 21:19:18
Originally by: Shinnen
3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?
Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?
Any suggestions?[/quote
Maybe you can do a deal with CCP?
They reimburse you your 3-days worth of subs (worth about $5), and in return you can pay them for the free content upgrade they've just spent the last 6 months coding? It'll only set you back about $30 going on what other complanies charge for their upgrades.
your talkin crap they give out the upgrades to keep people interested and payin monthly stop fooling yourself fool
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Fooball
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:38:00 -
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You can think whatever you wish. However the game is generally running smoothly now if you just get out of the couple really lagged spots. I've been ratting and having fun myself  Just have patience with the login and couple jumps.
Furthermore you have signed an agreement with CCP not to get refunded anything. Look at the eula, I think it is chapter 12 about Warranties. 
And I really think the best refund they can anyways give us is to keep working on fixing the remaining problems. 
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Hanan Lazaar
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
Nothing. Read your EULA. They don't owe anyone anything.
Sure they don't owe us anything, as your sharply mind analysed from the EULA. But it would be a nice gesture to give us one or two weeks of free playing. Thats what every trial noob also gets for free.
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JoKane
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:44:00 -
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Giving all players one or maybe two days of free gametime in compensation costs CCP **** loads of cash. They can keep their money and put it on serverupgrades instead.
Two days is like nothing for a subscriber anyways.
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Hanan Lazaar
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: JoKane
Giving all players one or maybe two days of free gametime in compensation costs CCP **** loads of cash. They can keep their money and put it on serverupgrades instead.
Two days is like nothing for a subscriber anyways.
Really, they make so much money in one or two days??? I didn't knew they make so much profit. But if so, than we surely can expect faster servers very soon?
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Flavia Clio
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sparschwein
STFU right back at you fanboy bunch.
I don't care about expansion stuff consisting of ships I'll never be able to buy.
Morons.
Sums up my feelings quiet nicely
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Jowen Datloran
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:50:00 -
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Perhaps it would be nice as a present. Sadly, the idea with presents is to give them as a surprise, not on demand. Or at least that's how people think in my part of the world.
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Mistress Sanchez
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hanan Lazaar
Really, they make so much money in one or two days??? I didn't knew they make so much profit. But if so, than we surely can expect faster servers very soon?
80k accounts * 2 days each = 160 000 days of gameplay. 160 000 days /30 = 5333 months. 5333 months * 14.95 euro each = 79 733 euro.
This is just my own personal calculations, dont know if its true but keiron said that giving out free time is very costy.
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Ashaeli
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:53:00 -
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ROFL! Megadon you're my hero!
That picture sums up MY feelings quite nicely ^.^
have a cookie!
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Hanan Lazaar
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Perhaps it would be nice as a present. Sadly, the idea with presents is to give them as a surprise, not on demand. Or at least that's how people think in my part of the world.
Not more a demand, as they demand money from me for playing. And we are not talking about a present, we talk about a nice gesture as compensation for all the disadvantages the players had to stand.
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Kallista Wilde
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:53:00 -
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#1. Any changes in a game this large is a HUGE undertaking.
#2. Having worked as a software tester, considering ALL scenarios is simply impossible given the time frames between releases.
#3. Finding the hardware to test and coordinating 'x' number of people to log on between reboots, hotfixes, and crashes just ain't gonna happen.
#4. History with most MMORPG style games and laggy releases (Ultima Online first few months...) shows that the devs go above and beyond the call staying late hours to serve it's customers to the best of their combined abilities.
#5 Those of us who know and love this game have the patience to play where the rewards are not immediate, and should also have the patience (and a little class) not to complain at the first sign of trouble.
#6 (and final) Spend some time with RL friends, Family, and enjoy the holidays instead of worrying about things we have no direct control over. Merry Christmas and Happy holidays!!
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:54:00 -
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If we are lucky they might give us an extra day of skill training free, But even that would be pushing it. All in all stop whining, we are not entitled to any compensation.
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Kilostream
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:54:00 -
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Personally, I don't care about compensation.
What I want is ccp to admit they don't have this under control yet, take the pressure off themselves a bit and give us a rollback until they can sort it out - patience is one thing - approaching a week of unplayable game is another.
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Black 1
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Black 1 on 18/12/2005 21:55:41
Originally by: Shinnen
3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?
Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?
Any suggestions?
I seriously think its time for you to STFU
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Crackfarmer
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:55:00 -
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I love how all the whiner threads get shot down within 10 seconds of appearing. This is why i continue to play eve. In most other games threads like these end up with ten pages of "YEAH I AGREE /SIGNED!"
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Montague Zooma
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Posted - 2005.12.18 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Montague Zooma on 18/12/2005 22:06:20
Yes, let's look at the EULA:
Quote:
CCP does not guarantee that it will continue to offer access to the System or support the Game. CCP may, in its sole discretion, cease to provide any
or all of the services offered in connection with EVEÖ (including access to the System and any or all features or components of the Game), terminate
the EULA, close all Accounts and cancel all of the rights granted to you under the EULA. CCP may communicate such termination to you upon 30 days
notice in any of the following manners: (i) when you log into your Account; (ii) in a notice on CCP's website; (iii) via electronic mail; or (iv) in another
manner that CCP deems suitable to inform you of the termination. If CCP terminates the EULA pursuant to this section, you will not receive a refund of
prepaid subscription fees.
According to the EULA, they can just take your money for a full year in advance and not make the game available to you. They don't even have to give you the thirty days warning; otherwise they'd say "will" instead of "may".
Just because the EULA allows it doesn't mean they have to do it. That language is there to shield them from further lawsuits in the event that they go bankrupt or experience otherwise unexpected difficulties.
CCP has compensated players for down time in the past, so it's perfectly within their power to do so again. If you don't ask for it, don't expect to get it. There's no excuse for flame fests, but otherwise there's nothing wrong with asking for a "make good".
Seriously...for those of you content to tell others to stop whining because what's happening is covered by the EULA...would you still feel the same way if they took your money for a years subscription and then just closed everything down? The only difference is the degree of impact on the customer...the principle is identical.
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Derekin
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Posted - 2005.12.18 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jerusaleman
Originally by: Derekin
Edited by: Derekin on 18/12/2005 21:19:18
Originally by: Shinnen
3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?
Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?
Any suggestions?[/quote
Maybe you can do a deal with CCP?
They reimburse you your 3-days worth of subs (worth about $5), and in return you can pay them for the free content upgrade they've just spent the last 6 months coding? It'll only set you back about $30 going on what other complanies charge for their upgrades.
your talkin crap they give out the upgrades to keep people interested and payin monthly stop fooling yourself fool
So by your reckoning the game should still be how it was back in may 2003 when it was first released? Nothing new, the same old stuff year after year?
Yeah, sure that would be fun. Eve wouldn't even have lasted a year if it wasn't for new content and upgrades CCP give us - fool.
LMFAO!
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SharkBaait
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Posted - 2005.12.18 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Sanchez
Originally by: Hanan Lazaar
Really, they make so much money in one or two days??? I didn't knew they make so much profit. But if so, than we surely can expect faster servers very soon?
80k accounts * 2 days each = 160 000 days of gameplay. 160 000 days /30 = 5333 months. 5333 months * 14.95 euro each = 79 733 euro.
This is just my own personal calculations, dont know if its true but keiron said that giving out free time is very costy.
yeah lets but it this way 80k * ú10 per month ermmm ú800k per month in subs feck me thats some profit! and they cant even get the hardware sorted with that sum of money coming ion everymonth - god some of you havent got a clue
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Crackfarmer
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Posted - 2005.12.18 22:36:00 -
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Profit which they are spending on buying a new supercluster which could take them into the top500. That is a fairly serious montary investment. Also they are setting up for China EVE, so make that two.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2005.12.18 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nee'kita Frist
Free expansions... none of this "Jump to lightspeed" crap, or the EQ's area expansion packs which you have to buy... Or buy this for to get this new uber stuff etc etc.
Nope, we get free expansions. There your compensated. STFU.
Anyway what important thing have you to go to do anyway apart from cause the thing your whining about lol. I love 0.0.
I love you... 
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Coconut Joe
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Posted - 2005.12.18 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sparschwein
Edited by: Sparschwein on 18/12/2005 21:26:59
STFU right back at you fanboy bunch.
I don't care about expansion stuff consisting of ships I'll never be able to buy.
I want to play and I can't.
The rest of your beautiful expansion is a lot of nerfs. Being thankful we don't have to pay for getting nerfed, are we?
Morons.
Give me your address and I'll send the 60 cents you've lost these last 3 days.
And maybe something else.
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Jareth Mace
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Posted - 2005.12.18 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: SharkBaait
yeah lets but it this way 80k * ú10 per month ermmm ú800k per month in subs feck me thats some profit! and they cant even get the hardware sorted with that sum of money coming ion everymonth - god some of you havent got a clue
Actually that sum, IF that calculation is correct is not PROFIT, it is income.. you also have to subtract the expenses.. to name just a FEW these are.. location rent, salaries, bandwidth usage, server maintenance, rent of server location, routine upgrades and a whole lot more.. Those expenses add up very very quickly, and might at times make the expenses bigger than the income for all we know. I think CCP would be very very happy if all the cash we paid were straight profit for them, I assure you, it is not.
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.12.18 22:55:00 -
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Try leaving Jita for once.
You can tell who the supercarebears are because they are the ones whining on the forums about lag. I'm in Torrinos atm, and have zero lag. Stop crowding into 3 systems with thousands of other people and maybe the lag will decrease.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.12.18 22:56:00 -
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I'm pacified at present.
However, I am open to the dev team releasing a greatest a capella hits mp3.
"So sorry.. our server grew.. Amarri.. we pwned j00.. lalalala.."
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Brep
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Posted - 2005.12.18 23:00:00 -
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I'm sick of hearing people ranting about the expansion being only for rich people. What ship do you fly? Interceptor? Destroyer? Battlecruiser? Assault Frig? Well I got news for you morons, THEY WERE ALL IN FREE EXPANSIONS!
If CCP ever listened to babies like you, we would all be fling t1 frigs, cruisers, and battleships ONLY (not to mention mods and all the extra goodies we get each patch). GG.
I'm so sick of people who can't see past their own bloody noses.
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Kael D'mende
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Posted - 2005.12.19 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Freibeuter
Just remember: All the new content (which you'll never get to use because it costs billions of isk) is free!
*lol* righto.. its lovely its free, but dont feel the same to look at it on the market ;O)
/Kael
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wasndasn
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Posted - 2005.12.19 00:04:00 -
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remeber your not entitled to compensation, if servers was down for a month we would not get an reinburstment because we would rather have servers down for a month then to get a month of lag and unstableness
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.12.19 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shinnen
Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement.
Have you considered the load on support teams? It's intense.
Last time a patch caused excessive lag they reimbursed all losses incurred during a patch period. (Regardless of petition or not)
Also, during the beginning (prior to Castor) CCP were a bit more generous in reimbursements when patches screwed servers. Then again, the players were a bit more forgiving and a bit less spammy back then. In fact, the players were a whole lot less back then in general.
Ar+es
n. Greek Mythology
- The god of war.
v. Eve online
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.12.19 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Brep
I'm sick of hearing people ranting about the expansion being only for rich people. What ship do you fly? Interceptor? Destroyer? Battlecruiser? Assault Frig? Well I got news for you morons, THEY WERE ALL IN FREE EXPANSIONS!
If CCP ever listened to babies like you, we would all be fling t1 frigs, cruisers, and battleships ONLY (not to mention mods and all the extra goodies we get each patch). GG.
I'm so sick of people who can't see past their own bloody noses.
Quoted for truth.
Also, please remember nifty features like Rebirth, Next-Gen manufacturing, Interdictors, Recon Ships, and the MKII project for T1 ships. All of this is stuff in RMR that pretty much anyone can make use of. Please stop your goddamn *****ing.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 00:17:00 -
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Look, if CCP do anything they will tag a day or 2 on to everyone's subscription.
It doesn't actually cost them anything that way (unlike a refund), unless everyone cancels and uses those 2 free days up.
Now, stop moaning, get back in your boxes, close the lids, close your eyes, AND CHILL.
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Ukucia
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Posted - 2005.12.19 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kilostream
Personally, I don't care about compensation.
What I want is ccp to admit they don't have this under control yet, take the pressure off themselves a bit and give us a rollback until they can sort it out - patience is one thing - approaching a week of unplayable game is another.
Rollback won't fix a thing. They need the massive server load to cause these problems, and it can't be generated in their test environment.
A rollback would mean much more waiting as it would take much longer to fix the problems. Plus their first 2 or 3 fix attempts wouldn't address all the problems, leading to a longer period of instability.
You're better off finding the systems that aren't lagged to hell (there are plenty of them) and play there for a while.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.12.19 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Look, if CCP do anything they will tag a day or 2 on to everyone's subscription.
It doesn't actually cost them anything that way (unlike a refund), unless everyone cancels and uses those 2 free days up.
Now, stop moaning, get back in your boxes, close the lids, close your eyes, AND CHILL.
Tagging a day onto everyone's sub will cost them $40,000-$50,000. It extends the billing cycle so they get less money/time.
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2005.12.19 07:08:00 -
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Quote:
yeah lets but it this way 80k * ú10 per month ermmm ú800k per month in subs feck me thats some profit! and they cant even get the hardware sorted with that sum of money coming ion everymonth - god some of you havent got a clue
Money in: 800k
Payroll: 50k * 50 / 12 = 208k
Internet pipe: 100k
Maintenance: 50k
Total: ~450k
Taxes: 135k
TOTAL: 315k
Ok, they're making good money =) Can I buy shares? What's the P/E?
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 07:11:00 -
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I kinda don't like this server problems they are having because I'm trying to convert multiple people from my WoW guild to EVE but you guys are giving me hard time because servers not working
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Mallikanth
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Posted - 2005.12.19 07:14:00 -
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Shinnen (and people who claom the same thing) - You guys needs to take a breath and calm down.
Read the EULA and speak to a solicitor / lawyer (if you feel the need that much) and they will both tell you to..........well............to put it politley, "shut up".
In the meantime I'll tell you "FFS stop your moaning and play the GAME." 
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
- Douglas Adams
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fmercury
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Posted - 2005.12.19 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
Nothing. Read your EULA. They don't owe anyone anything.
Well said. If you feel you're hard done by, they're not stopping you from quitting.
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Copine Callmeknau
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Posted - 2005.12.19 07:18:00 -
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I'm fairly certain that you could find torture victims that complain less than these whiners...
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With five million sheep in this army
I seem to be the only one fit to command
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zoumao
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Posted - 2005.12.19 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shinnen
3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?
Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?
Any suggestions?
One simple advice.. go play on the test server. As u do not seem to care about content or anything else. Mostly it runs pretty smooth. U don't have to worry about other players trying to kill ya. U can buy almost everything everywhere. Perfect for the loner.
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Godagast Moonbane
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Posted - 2005.12.19 08:47:00 -
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"Major compensation". You sound as if someone had just wrecked your car - and a Rolls Royce at that!
Fact is, you pay about as much for EVE, per month, as you would for a pizza and a movie. I for one think that is a pretty good bargain for a potential 30 evenings - or entire days, if you are so inclined - of entertainment. I can live with losing two or three days (ye Gods!) over a major patch once in a couple of months. The more so because this patch adds a lot of ships, features and other interesting content to the game - all free.
Really, you people need to get a life and stop whining. So you lose three days out of your precious $15 per month playtime. So what? Do your homework, or something else that's productive. The problems will be fixed soon enough. Show a little tolerance towards CCP, who are doing a not perfect, but reasonable job, and be thankful for the new and free content you get instead of bashing them because the server went down two or three times.
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Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shinnen
3 days of ruined gameplay. major lag. Loss of ships. Lack of ingame reimbursement. What can CCP do to compensate for all of this?
Free days? no that seems rediculous, 33 pence for all of this?
Any suggestions?
Quit eve. Please.
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Vertas
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kilostream
Personally, I don't care about compensation.
What I want is ccp to admit they don't have this under control yet, take the pressure off themselves a bit and give us a rollback until they can sort it out - patience is one thing - approaching a week of unplayable game is another.
A rollback is out of the question , you'd be looking at three lost days of training plus the 25 some hrs the roll back would take, no thanks.
good job ccp, keep up the hard work, I know you'll get this worked out
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:16:00 -
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what will happen is this patch will be hotfixed until it works as simple as that.
CCP please restore the recruitment channel |
Lord Elric
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:31:00 -
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As long as they fix the server load issue that will be compensation enough
"Requested items: One Mark V ECM unit, 1000 km of fullerene cable, one low yield nuclear warhead. Stated purpose: birthday party for Amarian dignitary."
-Special Operations Service requisition form- |
Brastagi
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:34:00 -
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Edited by: Brastagi on 19/12/2005 09:34:37
Tell me, is there any company that compensate all of their customers for the problem they have?
That'll be the day 
I never get compensation in other MMO for problems before.
(server fixing is another thing )
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Watch me gravitate Ha ha ha ha ha....
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:35:00 -
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the server load will improve with new hardware and more optimisation hotfixes and the return of the recruitment channel
CCP please restore the recruitment channel |
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Elric
As long as they fix the server load issue that will be compensation enough
Which is exactly what we have been doing and will continue to do.
Senior Producer
EVE Online
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Xantina
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:42:00 -
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I want waffles :)
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Szordin
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:45:00 -
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didn't see anyone offer some cheese.
all I can say is if you don't like it quit, and give me your stuff plz. have a nice day.
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Lord Elric
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Posted - 2005.12.19 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Lord Elric
As long as they fix the server load issue that will be compensation enough
Which is exactly what we have been doing and will continue to do.
Thanks for the info
"Requested items: One Mark V ECM unit, 1000 km of fullerene cable, one low yield nuclear warhead. Stated purpose: birthday party for Amarian dignitary."
-Special Operations Service requisition form- |
fairimear
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Posted - 2005.12.19 10:18:00 -
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Seriously if i hear 1 MORE person say this was a free expansion so live with it i will hunt u down.
EVE is paid month by month AND AT a increased rate over other mmog's.
What part of the expansion is free?
the client upgrades.
the only reason they are free is some bull about every 1 having to have them at once.
and that would only leave new ships for a paid expansion, and we all know theres not enogth contnet in that alone to warent it.
AND this is now the 5th day eve has been unplayable.
AND ON XMAS holidays.
frankly they should have known better than to patch before the first xmas weekend and what is probably in the top 3 busiest days of the year.
CCP atleast need to make a full and complet admitance they had been rong to patch and a apoligy.
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Nexus1972
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Posted - 2005.12.19 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ukucia
Rollback won't fix a thing. They need the massive server load to cause these problems, and it can't be generated in their test environment.
A rollback would mean much more waiting as it would take much longer to fix the problems. Plus their first 2 or 3 fix attempts wouldn't address all the problems, leading to a longer period of instability.
You're better off finding the systems that aren't lagged to hell (there are plenty of them) and play there for a while.
There is an easy solution - CCP dont bring out one HUUUUGE patch every six months, why not a smaller one each month? The test server didnt get one huge patch, it got small patches - why not mirror this on tranquility? Oh yeah marketing.
Seriously if the patches were smaller and more frequent they wouldnt have such a huge impact and would be easier to deploy.
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Thomus
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Posted - 2005.12.19 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Coconut Joe
Give me your address and I'll send the 60 cents you've lost these last 3 days.
And maybe something else.
Yeah, go on, **** thru his letterbox.
I almost NEVER suffer from lag. Cuz i stay out of busy systems, and dont launch 2000 shuttles outside my station or make pictures outta secure cans. If i can manage with no problems, you must also be able to do the same thing. Whatever it is ur doing that results in u being laggy, it's your CHOICE to do so. Change ur ways = solution 2 ur problem.
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Karunel
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Posted - 2005.12.19 10:27:00 -
[65]
Quote:
EVE is paid month by month AND AT a increased rate over other mmog's.
I pay 11Ç a month for eve, and even if I did pay 15Ç I don't see it as being a very "increased rate over other mmog's". And frankly, it's A FREE EXPANSION, because I don't have to waste 40 bucks importing it to enjoy it but I get it by downloading a file that costs nothing.
Really, stop the drama, it's getting ridiculous.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.19 10:31:00 -
[66]
yeah a bit overboard things are working much better now btw except for a certain offical channel
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2005.12.19 10:34:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Discorporation
Fix the servers?
Yeah, seems like the perfect compensation to me.
Got my vote on this one ;)
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Posted - 2005.12.19 10:42:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Sybylle
Originally by: Discorporation
Fix the servers?
Yeah, seems like the perfect compensation to me.
Got my vote on this one ;)
They already did it IMO. I hope CCP gives everyone lvl 5 to the skill they are doing atm for x-mas, except for the whingers :) That'd be bitter sweet irony IMHO :D
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2005.12.19 10:48:00 -
[69]
Yummy...I'll take...Advanced weapons upgrades lvl 5 :D
Or advanced spaceship lvl V.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.12.19 10:49:00 -
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well i pay more for it than i would for wow and frankly at ú20 a paid expansion aint a big deal here.
but really i don't want free thisor that. all i want is admitance of fault and a apoilgy for wrecking my xmas weekend.
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NotoMM
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Posted - 2005.12.19 10:52:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
Nothing. Read your EULA. They don't owe anyone anything.
Or so the EULA would claim. However in this country, it is up the judiciary to decide such things. I am waiting for the day that some company tries to convince a judge that because a EULA they don't have to give a reasonable service. Oh yes, I want to be in court to hear his reply and be thankful that I am not the poor sod who will have to endure his rather caustic remarks.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.12.19 10:58:00 -
[72]
Originally by: NotoMM
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
Nothing. Read your EULA. They don't owe anyone anything.
Or so the EULA would claim. However in this country, it is up the judiciary to decide such things. I am waiting for the day that some company tries to convince a judge that because a EULA they don't have to give a reasonable service. Oh yes, I want to be in court to hear his reply and be thankful that I am not the poor sod who will have to endure his rather caustic remarks.
Court would throw it out. No SLA, no case.
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Rover Vitesse
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Posted - 2005.12.19 11:03:00 -
[73]
Originally by: fairimear
Seriously if i hear 1 MORE person say this was a free expansion so live with it i will hunt u down.
EVE is paid month by month AND AT a increased rate over other mmog's.
What part of the expansion is free?
the client upgrades.
the only reason they are free is some bull about every 1 having to have them at once.
and that would only leave new ships for a paid expansion, and we all know theres not enogth contnet in that alone to warent it.
AND this is now the 5th day eve has been unplayable.
AND ON XMAS holidays.
frankly they should have known better than to patch before the first xmas weekend and what is probably in the top 3 busiest days of the year.
CCP atleast need to make a full and complet admitance they had been rong to patch and a apoligy.
Erm...this was free...
*runs away and hides
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Lucas Smaise
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Posted - 2005.12.19 11:11:00 -
[74]
Remember that when we want compensation it seriously takes away some founding that CCP could use to fix the problems we are seing now.
It may not sound like much but try sum it up if they give 3 days worth of compensation. This could be the money they need to keep the server going or buy some new hardware etc.
We all know that when you patch the next few days are very bad. And patching before weekend doubles the problems because of the 20k+ players always trying to login at the same time.
You shouldnt take risk if you are not ready to loose stuff. Its patch time and we all know it can go wrong.
PS: CCP plz try to make Khanid region more playable 8)
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Mned Graydroggen
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Posted - 2005.12.19 11:52:00 -
[75]
For me, the ppl arguing for some sort of refund do have a point from an consumers starting position. Some arguments are solid and indisputable.
However, for me as an artist, I have great respect for the 5 or so Icelandic rl ppl who one day came out of the pub and decided to spent their time on this planet creating an online game.
Their vision was on greatness and they stuck to it. The rl ppl who we refer to as Devs are still spending their waking hours everyday on giving us this Universe to fool around in.
And common, lets get serious, we are fooling around. Spending the time given to us on this planet having fun with a combination of 0's and 1's.
If anyone feels some sort of pain for spending rl iks on this game, then let him spend the money on some other game or beers or something.
The Vision that created EVE won't suffer from it, and as long as there are Devs giving their time to realise this Vision, they have my support.
I feel no pain spending rl isk on EVE. As EVE is in the frontline of the mmorpg's. That there be some hickups is nothing out of the ordinairy. Noone has gone here before and our Devs have sofar always found answers to the problems that arose.
The Vision, thats what EVE is all about for me.
An virtual enviournment is beeing created worthy of the name. Ppl working together keeping an online world alive.
That the current hardware can't keep up with the Vision and it's succes, imo only warrants an whine adressed at the modernday engenering society in general. More than whinage directed at Visionairs who want to bring VR to the next level.
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VinLieger
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Posted - 2005.12.19 11:54:00 -
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Directed at OP and anyone who agrees with him. Compensation for what? For a free content patch? I cant beleive some people are so cheap. Its 13 pounds/euros/dollars a month that is not that much money. Oh no you lost 3 days play out of 1 month so thats 28 days left that you cans till play stop whining and get on with your life. Some of you may not know this but its just a game
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.12.19 11:58:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Bhaal on 19/12/2005 11:58:22
Originally by: Sochin
Try leaving Jita for once.
You can tell who the supercarebears are because they are the ones whining on the forums about lag. I'm in Torrinos atm, and have zero lag. Stop crowding into 3 systems with thousands of other people and maybe the lag will decrease.
Let me tell you. My shopping alt was in empire all weekend trying to Christmas shop for Bhaal, and all of empire was crap for me.
I covered many systems/regions on my shopping trip, I was very disappointed in the LAAAAGGGGG...
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.19 12:01:00 -
[78]
we all know post big patch lag takes 2-3 weeks to fix via hotfixes etc a good job hsa been done and thoes of us smart enough to be low sec are lagless and legless.
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Posted - 2005.12.19 12:02:00 -
[79]
Originally by: fairimear
well i pay more for it than i would for wow and frankly at ú20 a paid expansion aint a big deal here.
but really i don't want free thisor that. all i want is admitance of fault and a apoilgy for wrecking my xmas weekend.
Tell you what why don't you use the time machine you have skiped to next weekend with so they can have a copy of all teh hotfixes they have deployed since thursday/friday?
As you do seem to be running slightly out of sync with teh rest of teh world it only being the 19th of Dec here...
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but
why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the
problem solve itself" (credits to mcallister TCS)
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Posted - 2005.12.19 12:02:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Bhaal
Edited by: Bhaal on 19/12/2005 11:58:22
Originally by: Sochin
Try leaving Jita for once.
You can tell who the supercarebears are because they are the ones whining on the forums about lag. I'm in Torrinos atm, and have zero lag. Stop crowding into 3 systems with thousands of other people and maybe the lag will decrease.
Let me tell you. My shopping alt was in empire all weekend trying to Christmas shop for Bhaal, and all of empire was crap for me.
I covered many systems/regions on my shopping trip, I was very disappointed in the LAAAAGGGGG...
Since the reboot on friday i have had very little lag and ive spent most of my time in empire. I get the odd spots here and there but most of the time its fine
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.12.19 12:04:00 -
[81]
Originally by: sonofollo
we all know post big patch lag takes 2-3 weeks to fix via hotfixes etc a good job hsa been done and thoes of us smart enough to be low sec are lagless and legless.
So they give us a "free" expansion that takes them 2-3 weeks to get to run smoothly, I guess it evens out...
You pay a monthly fee but can't use the game for about a month while your "free" expansion has the kinks worked out of it...
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Mrmuttley
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Posted - 2005.12.19 12:16:00 -
[82]
I dont agree with the OP but i would love to know what he classes as " Major compentsation" ú1? $10? $100 (bear in mind this has to go out to 80K active accounts) so any figure you think of remember to multiply by that figure.
and to Farimear yes it was a free expansion as you did not have to pay anything above your normal subs. So come on and hunt me down I'm looking forward to it.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.12.19 12:33:00 -
[83]
Originally by: VinLieger
Originally by: Bhaal
Edited by: Bhaal on 19/12/2005 11:58:22
Originally by: Sochin
Try leaving Jita for once.
You can tell who the supercarebears are because they are the ones whining on the forums about lag. I'm in Torrinos atm, and have zero lag. Stop crowding into 3 systems with thousands of other people and maybe the lag will decrease.
Let me tell you. My shopping alt was in empire all weekend trying to Christmas shop for Bhaal, and all of empire was crap for me.
I covered many systems/regions on my shopping trip, I was very disappointed in the LAAAAGGGGG...
Since the reboot on friday i have had very little lag and ive spent most of my time in empire. I get the odd spots here and there but most of the time its fine
Good for you, maybe you can let me use your account?
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Himo Amasacia
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Posted - 2005.12.19 12:37:00 -
[84]
I want to be compensated to the time I spent reading "I want to be compensated" threads..
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2005.12.19 12:48:00 -
[85]
3 days hmmm, Looks like I'd get about 98p.
Yet another example of every one out to screw over someone else, Its people like that,that make bogus insurance claims that leaves the average normal person like me Forking out higher Premiums.
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Teles666
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Posted - 2005.12.19 13:34:00 -
[86]
Can I have a titan, even a caldari one will do :)
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Binary Mind
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Posted - 2005.12.19 13:56:00 -
[87]
I'm Shinnen, I can't take being 3 days off my PC, I want my Eve and Milk
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2005.12.19 14:21:00 -
[88]
This patch was about new stuff most people won't ever see and fixing lag.
The new stuff isn't in and the lag got worse, database lag is excrutiating even last night with 4k people online.
In addition t2 production is broken because of ram issues, all production is awkward and poorly implemented ( far more click intensive then old system and unintuitive as to the steps needed, very bad implementation imho ) - how many petitions did you get cause people didn't know they had to "deliver" the goods this weekend oveur?
Arguing that the playerbase isn't due compensation because they gave us a patch that basically amounted to free lag, no t2 production, unreadable font, and content that isn't even in game yet really indicates who the blind AK's are.
Personally, I just want my deimos back.
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Sergio Ling
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Posted - 2005.12.19 14:59:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Summersnow
This patch was about new stuff most people won't ever see and fixing lag.
The new stuff isn't in and the lag got worse, database lag is excrutiating even last night with 4k people online.
In addition t2 production is broken because of ram issues, all production is awkward and poorly implemented ( far more click intensive then old system and unintuitive as to the steps needed, very bad implementation imho ) - how many petitions did you get cause people didn't know they had to "deliver" the goods this weekend oveur?
Arguing that the playerbase isn't due compensation because they gave us a patch that basically amounted to free lag, no t2 production, unreadable font, and content that isn't even in game yet really indicates who the blind AK's are.
Personally, I just want my deimos back.
that's because it's under a week from patch day. maybe CCP should have closed the server for a week, and recruited 6thousand people to play as RMR Beta on the server. oh no, that STILL wouldn't have stress tested it ptoperly. there are so many babies. i dunno, go outside and touch a girl. might work for you
Originally by: Lluthiunne Atalaron
He's too busy adjusting his leather pants and mullet to worry about petty things such as physics.
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eb0la Lipz
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:01:00 -
[90]
dunno if someones already said this but giving us 2 or 3 days free of charge would be the right thing to do and might stop the whiners from whining so much.
while i was playing WoW,Blizzard gave us countless days for free whenever there were problems like this.
just my 2 cents
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Prothos
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:06:00 -
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only thing i ask is to better test the patches. when testing add all ships and mods to test server. the new t2 ships that are being introduced never got tested by the majority.
Mirror test server more often.
Speed skill train up on test server.
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Ghost Red
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:10:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Shinnen
Any suggestions?
Get a life.
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:09:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Lord Elric
As long as they fix the server load issue that will be compensation enough
Which is exactly what we have been doing and will continue to do.
ah for our 3-4 days downtime/lag we get the compensation of the great thing that we will probitly not have a 5th day of lag
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Micklaine
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:22:00 -
[94]
I am very appreciative of the new expansion. I think the new content is great and I love EVE. That said, EVE is nearly unplayable right now. I was on well ahead of peak time, with nearly 15k people online, in a quiet system (under 20 people) and I nearly lost my ship to lag. It was freezing up for a minute or two at a time, right in the middle of my missions. I wish CCP would face facts and take down EVE for a couple days while they sort things out. I'd even pay for the days, but right now things are just nasty. Those who don't have lag I guess are just lucky because I was nowhere near a hub system (10 jumps from ours, more to any other major hubs) and that's about the only advice I've seen in this thread. CCP, please shut down EVE until it's enjoyable to play again. I'm too tempted to play while it's up, but it's no fun when I actually get on.
-Mick
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:22:00 -
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i dont know if i am the only stupid player that desided to test eve and created a trail account 2 days before this big patch. i have lost alot of playtime and time to train my skills. i would love to get some extra free days so i can test this game for the 14 days and not just 10, but ofcuse i am only a trail user and i should be happy to try this awsome game for free.
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Kilostream
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:24:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Ukucia
Rollback won't fix a thing. They need the massive server load to cause these problems, and it can't be generated in their test environment.
A rollback would mean much more waiting as it would take much longer to fix the problems. Plus their first 2 or 3 fix attempts wouldn't address all the problems, leading to a longer period of instability.
You're better off finding the systems that aren't lagged to hell (there are plenty of them) and play there for a while.
Well, I don't wana speak for anyone else, but I'd have no probs with waiting longer and a rollback.
My position in space was somewhat dictated by a war I was in at the time - that war is now over, and I read some players are not having lag, so I may well do your suggestion of moving out of the busy areas for a while.
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Retsudo Itto
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:45:00 -
[97]
I personaly DON'T care about money back
I DON'T care about how long it takes ( hell have two or three days worth of down time if it means lag free and smooth running )
I dont care about new patch if its free or not nore do i care about most opinions of the masses (most don't care about mine which im sure some one will make some comment about)
All i want is to play Eve and CCP are working there ass's off trying to get it back on its feet. All we got to do is give em time, they may be considering aome form of appeasement but a few days money back or skill boostis worth nothing if all is going to hell in a hand basket . Wehn we have a nice easy running system again thats all i care about at the moment
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divan
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:27:00 -
[98]
3 days = 1.4Ç, if you think that is much you should not play online games
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Johnny Disco
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:40:00 -
[99]
Just wondering, but a free content upgrade is not really free when it costs you gametime.
The game as it stands is not playable at all in my experience.
If you bought something here in the UK and it was not fit for the purpose it was supplied for, you would be entitled to a refund, the same goes for a service.
Now i'm not saying I want a couple of days subscription back, it's just not worth the time it would take to pay out.
I just want to play the game.
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Pwny McPwnerson
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:42:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Hanan Lazaar
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
Nothing. Read your EULA. They don't owe anyone anything.
Sure they don't owe us anything, as your sharply mind analysed from the EULA. But it would be a nice gesture to give us one or two weeks of free playing. Thats what every trial noob also gets for free.
You realize CCP is a business, right? They need money to operate just like any other business. If they gave everyone two weeks of free play, they would definitly be in the red.
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Johnny Disco
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:45:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
Originally by: Hanan Lazaar
Originally by: Pwny McPwnerson
Nothing. Read your EULA. They don't owe anyone anything.
Sure they don't owe us anything, as your sharply mind analysed from the EULA. But it would be a nice gesture to give us one or two weeks of free playing. Thats what every trial noob also gets for free.
You realize CCP is a business, right? They need money to operate just like any other business. If they gave everyone two weeks of free play, they would definitly be in the red.
As a business shouldn't they provide what the customer is paying for?
after all, no customers = no business.
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Talos Darkhart
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:45:00 -
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But in your opininon it is ok for them to charge us for 1 or 2 weeks when we cannot play ok. 
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Johnny Disco
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:49:00 -
[103]
I don't think they should charge us for 1 day we can't play for.
If I rent you a car, then after a while say, oh although you've paid in advance for a month, it won't start, may keep stalling and will generally run rough for a few days would you be happy with that?
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Ukucia
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Posted - 2005.12.20 21:53:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Kilostream
Originally by: Ukucia
Rollback won't fix a thing. They need the massive server load to cause these problems, and it can't be generated in their test environment.
A rollback would mean much more waiting as it would take much longer to fix the problems. Plus their first 2 or 3 fix attempts wouldn't address all the problems, leading to a longer period of instability.
You're better off finding the systems that aren't lagged to hell (there are plenty of them) and play there for a while.
Well, I don't wana speak for anyone else, but I'd have no probs with waiting longer and a rollback.
My position in space was somewhat dictated by a war I was in at the time - that war is now over, and I read some players are not having lag, so I may well do your suggestion of moving out of the busy areas for a while.
It's not just waiting longer. (I wasn't as clear as I should have been).
It's waiting longer for another patch. Which will still have bugs. Rollback that, wait again for another patch, it comes up with bugs. And so on, and so on.
Rollback-then-patch would lead to several painful patches, instead of one painful patch.
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Mad Scot
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Posted - 2005.12.21 11:29:00 -
[105]
Yeam am not particulary worried about compensation just all thw ship losses due to lag/bugs that are happening atm. As long as we/I get those back ill be quite happy.
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Vladt
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Posted - 2005.12.21 12:09:00 -
[106]
I really dont care about compensation if I would be able to play the game like I used to before the RMR patch
1. have a decend Production
2. fly around Nonni without waiting half an hour
3. 17.000 People are logged in and I dont notice
4. can do my lvl3 Misis still in a BC and make some money
5. Dont have the problems in getting blind by that new font
21.000 Players are to much for the current Hardware/Software Kombination
please kick out the trial accounts until you get the new Hardware, otherwise it will be a long painful awaiting , I wouldnt bet on the new Hardware in January.
6 Days after the Patch Release
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Rells
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Posted - 2005.12.21 12:10:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Nee'kita Frist
Free expansions... none of this "Jump to lightspeed" crap, or the EQ's area expansion packs which you have to buy... Or buy this for to get this new uber stuff etc etc.
Nope, we get free expansions. There your compensated. STFU.
Anyway what important thing have you to go to do anyway apart from cause the thing your whining about lol. I love 0.0.
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