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Cyaron wars wrote:

CCP Fozzie wrote:

Cyaron wars wrote:

I am not talking about particular case, I am talking about concept that Fozzie is mentioning - Sacrifice something to get another thing. Nearly every T2 ship already has that and will face same issue in future while T1 ships can fit best mods for them. I mean guns, tank mods etc.Dual ASB cyclone has to use less fitting mods like co-processor while dual ASB claymore with T2 hams is impossible to fit even with T2 PG rig and RCU, you just won't have CPU to fit anything else. Also active tanked vagabond with 4 med slots is dumbest thing I ever seen. Also shield ships are able to fit X-large boosters while armor are limited by reps of their class like med for cruiser/BC. Same goes for Dual ASB ships vs single AAR ships.
If CCP wants to keep concept of "sacrifice" running, then they should apply it to ALL ships across the board.

It's actually been part of the original tiericide design from the start of this balance pass that T2 ships should have tighter fittings than T1, since they are built for players with higher SP. We've diluted that quite a bit by giving a HACs and Command Ships tons of fittings (probably too much but we can always go back and adjust later as needed) but I beleive the original intent has a valid basis. One of the things we look at when we design a ship is how "forgiving" it is, in piloting skill required, cost of losing it, difficulty fitting. T2 can be a bit less forgiving as long as the rewards are there for people who overcome the slight challenge of dropping a mod to Meta 3 or 4 once and awhile.

Well, I can say that even max skilled pilot cannot fit dual ASB Claymore. Not that I am stuck on particular ship, but I for example love to fly my dualasb sleipnir and engage gangs. In future I won't be able to do so even if I will spend trillions of ISK on fitting mods and implants. I admit that dualasb is kinda crap but that's only thing that keeps me alive against everything else, I would gladly fly dualrep eos or Astarte but unfortunately those ships even with rep bonus and 2x reps running cannot compete with ASB. So this patch is killing one of the best balanced solo ship ever making it yet another part in blob warfare. This is what I will never understand, you are putting 2 ships for each race doing same thing but with different guns. If we are speaking about uniqueness then why you are putting them doing same stuff? You really think anyone actually cares about links putting extra dps on field? I doubt it. Let's take Damnation with it's bonuses. Damn enyo can outdps that ship. What Damnation suppose to do in small gang? Apply it's 300 dps?? or tank them all to death? Why don't u just split them as they were before? They were not amazing but were still better compared to what they will become now. You could leave Caymore as command ship while leaving more combat role to sleipnir, you could do same to every other ship and slightly boosting armor reps for them.

Just to show you what that ship is capable off see this link and tell me if it will be able to do anything like that after you will tweak it?