Okay, enough about mechanics of the Command Ships changes. We will adjust to them like we do to every other change that CCP gives us.

Lets hear more about what really matters...the "Command Ship model changes"

Granted, I'm not the biggest EFT wizard out there, so I'm not going to debate the individual buffs/nerfs.

CCP Fozzie you want boosting ships to be on grid with the fleets. I follow that quite fine. However, what role does the command ship expect to take in the fleet? I get that they are important fleet booster, but it's about the most boring thing to do in a fleet, while requiring a terrible long training time (Fleet Command V was hell).

The usage of using POS's or a t3 in a safespot was a way for those of us in fleet boosting ships to be able to fly 2 chars in large scale combat. With the new changes I'm not sure that'll be the case, and i'm finding it difficult to figure out if the new command ships in large battles will be anything other than flying bricks without anything active to do during combat?

the role of the command ship is not to have the best dps on the field.

2, I see lots of ppl mentioned "commander ship for solo", to my opinion this is just a stupid historical mistake. Commander ships are for commanders, either fleet or gang. The ships that designed for group pvp, like HIC, logi ,bomber, may be used for solo, but it should not be a feature that put into design consideration.

Nighthawk:
Caldari Battlecruiser skill bonuses:

5% bonus to Heavy Assault Missile and Heavy Missile explosion radius (was explosion velocity)[/b]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NOOOOOO just ******* NO, IT NEEDS TO BE EXPLOSION VELOCITY to counter the god ******* awful useless velocity of the t2 heavy missiles. t2 heavy missiles are so bad, because they cant apply any damage AT ALL, because of the nonexistent explosion velocity.. if you do this they will be EVEN WORSE. which is ******* unfathomable. as is they already do HALF the damage of t1 missiles to anything thats moving.. regardless of what the dps counter says.


Slot layout: 7 H, 5 M, 5 L , 2 turrets (+1), ----->5 Launchers (-1)<---- NOOOO its a ******* NIGHTHAWK NOT A VULTURE OR CRAPOX
you already raped heavy missiles to oblivion, DO NOT REMOVE MISSILE SLOTS. i threw a ******* fit when u removed them from the ferox. now that ship is useless. and so are hybrids on caldari vessles.


EVERY GOD DAMN TIME i get close to something fun ccp you either DESTROY it, or you move it another 3 months away.
like you did to my carrier, t2 cruisers, and nighthawk, and missile ferox.
your not going to get any more money out of me, **** YOU ALL I QUIT!!!

my plex runs out soon and ill never renew.
im so sick of getting totally jewed by you every time i find something fun to use.


its bad enough your raping the command modules too now.
i cant freaking take it anymore.
words can not even describe how pissed off i am. gahhh **** this game.
infact ill phucking delete my account if you do this in the update.

PS:who ever decided to do this to command ships needs to be ******* shot.

oh and ITS A BATTLECRUSIER NOT A CRUISER, NO 5 slot weapons bull crap.

Missile bonuses on a Minmatar ship? Really? I'm not entirely sure that's in line with the whole "big guns" theory of the race. How about artillery instead?

I know, right? Especially when you take a look at the Eagle... *barf*

command ships are ugly,nighthawk looks sexy,but the rest are just meh.

also claymore bonuses are bad,fozzie needs to change either one of them to hm and ham damage instead of rof.otherwise it will fire very fast for very little damage,and thats always dissapoint.

Lasers are utter ****.


Scorch is completely amazing.

They even out. Unless you can't use scorch, then lasers suck.

Blasters = 13
Lasers = 7
Autocannons = 12

The Missing Hardpoint is compensated by a bigger damage bonus.

So you have more spare PG/CPU, need less Ammo and if you don't want to fit a second link, you can fit a neut, or a nos.
FFS you could even fit an auto-targeter.

Don't complain because you have 1 less launcher, the ship will perform way better than before.

Capacitor Friendly: Autocannons, Lasers, Blasters

You are makin this thread about weapon systems, not about the ships, you are talking about how lasers are bad nerfed buffed etc and not about how to make the ships good and balanced with the weapon system, it's one thing to go "oh lasers are bad and the abso will suffer in xyz way so change the 10% cap consumption to 7.5% cap consumption and tracking" or w.e
You are talking simply about the lasers-autos-hybrids

Edit: you as in you and the others, and if this came off as mean spirited sorry, it is not meant as such

The Astarte and Eos suffer from having to use medium armour reppers for their tank, while the shield ships can use an x-large ASB (a battleship module).

The disparity in performance is so wide that even if the Eos has 2 more slots available to it, it would die in flames to shield ships every time.

I am now more convinced than ever that ill-conceived ASB needs to go, and active tanking armour ships need a bonus slot just to compete.

There is certainly no place for active armour tanking bonuses on the command ships as they currently stand. It is simply not a viable setup.

If the 1600mm goes, then the XL shield booster goes, the shield amps go, and the passive shield recharge goes... armor doesn't have any equivalent....

Great logic there, right?

Did you notice that the Nighthawk got a fairly large PG increase?

is it just me that wants the sleipnir to be armour tanked with armour link?
There are plenty of minmatar ships that are armour tanked so why not represent this correctly in the command ships?

5 turrets(slepnir) with a 50% damage bonus and that equals 11.25 turrets? by my math that only equals 7.5 unless I'm doing it wrong. All I know is my dps on sisi has gone down greater than a 11.666 to 11.25 change should indicate.