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Ath'daru
Ordo Drakonis
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:48:00 -
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The function of the watch list should only be to inform a player that a friend of his has logged on. That's it.
Instead it's used as an early warning tool, confirming enemy supers being logged on, destroying what little suspense and excitement this game has left. It discourages battles as FCs know beforehand if the battle is lost.
The WL is also used to alert pilots when single high value targets log in. This could be a stranded super in a hostile system.
I believe this kind of instantaneous notification is a poor design decision and should be terminated.
You wish to know when enemy supers log on?
Have a scout in their staging system or spend more resources on improving your spy network.
Want to know when an isolated titan logs in?
Have 'around the clock' eyes in the system.
Why CCP decided to implement the WL the way they did is beyond me. It's not good game design and it's detrimental to the overall game play. It destroys many of the elements that make up a good game. Suspense, uncertainty and the act of being surprised.
Every coalition level FC will have enemy super pilots added to WL and once that **** starts to light up, they know they need to gtfo. They also know not to bite the bait if such a thing is being presented.
It's wrong that in order to surprise the enemy, your pilots must not be logged in.
Some of you may argue the same with 'local', but that's another topic.
So, in order to add someone to WL, that someone must agree. I sincerely believe this will make for a better game. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
907
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:02:00 -
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Because it's a watch list, not a friends list. CCP obviously wants to save me the hassle of using a locator agent to find someone, and then park an intel alt in system to see when they log in, using the omniscient k-space Local intel tool.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15858
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:04:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Because it's a watch list, not a friends list. This.
There's a reason why you are given the choice to inform the other partyGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle
Tactical Narcotics Team
1096
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:06:00 -
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*Waits for thread complaining that Twitter followers needs to be mutually agreed."
I love these stupid whine threads!
I'm currently taking bets on the following:
- CCP Games becomes EA Games' property.
- EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |
Joepopo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
123
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:06:00 -
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It seems to me that OP wants to rat in his supercarrier. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3148
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:15:00 -
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--> Features & Ideas Discussion
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1467
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:21:00 -
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I was just talking to someone who was talking about killing himself. I added him to my watchlist so I can talk to him and make friends with him when he comes online later. The watchlist is useful for doing good deeds around high sec.
Oh god. |
Dalmont Delantee
EXPCS Corp
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
148
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Because it's a watch list, not a friends list. This. There's a reason why you are given the choice to inform the other partyGǪ
Tippia, how comes your so right all the frigging time. Only 1% of the time I disagree with you. Forget Chribba, Tippia voice of common sense should get their own titan in high sec :P
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2555
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:35:00 -
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I found a POS in a wormhole connected to my HQ in lowsec one time. Nobody was in there but me... so I researched the POS's corp and added everyone I could find on my watch list. It turns out all those players were one guy, and when they all logged in at once it gave me the notice I needed to take action. The result was one of if not the most lucrative spat of piracy I've ever had in EvE.
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Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
180
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:36:00 -
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Ath'daru wrote:You wish to know when enemy supers log on?
Have a scout in their staging system or spend more resources on improving your spy network.
Want to know when an isolated titan logs in?
Have 'around the clock' eyes in the system.
Why CCP decided to implement the WL the way they did is beyond me.
A task which every Alliance would accomplish using a host of Trial Accounts and Alts logged in 24/7 all across the Universe, vastly increasing the load on the servers and having precisely the same impact on gameplay.
Hence the WL. Much less server load, same functionality. Elegant, right?
In the future, if something CCP does seems "beyond you," that's probably because it is. Trust me, they're smarter than us and they've been in this business awhile. |
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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
411
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:41:00 -
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OP is right from a lore perspective. Doesn't make any sense to know that someone is online.
Not only supers, btw...
First thing you do in HS/LS Wars is add every member of the other corp to your list, all of the names of said members you'll conveniently find online.
Then locators. Then war declaration.
The same goes for local. Basically a chat that always shows you are there. It doesn't make any sense - unless we assume all pilots are GalNet junkies - and often kills surprise.
Now, it doesn't make sense. Is it bad the way it is?
I don't know. EVE is such a waiting game at times... This "lightens" that fact a bit.
Also, space would feel VERY lonely - more so than it already is - if Local was gone, I think.
So, both WL & Local are probably good as they are.
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
242
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:02:00 -
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Ath'daru wrote:The function of the watch list should only be to inform a player that a friend of his has logged on. That's it.
Instead it's used as an early warning tool, confirming enemy supers being logged on, destroying what little suspense and excitement this game has left. It discourages battles as FCs know beforehand if the battle is lost.
The WL is also used to alert pilots when single high value targets log in. This could be a stranded super in a hostile system.
I believe this kind of instantaneous notification is a poor design decision and should be terminated.
You wish to know when enemy supers log on?
Have a scout in their staging system or spend more resources on improving your spy network.
Want to know when an isolated titan logs in?
Have 'around the clock' eyes in the system.
Why CCP decided to implement the WL the way they did is beyond me. It's not good game design and it's detrimental to the overall game play. It destroys many of the elements that make up a good game. Suspense, uncertainty and the act of being surprised.
Every coalition level FC will have enemy super pilots added to WL and once that **** starts to light up, they know they need to gtfo. They also know not to bite the bait if such a thing is being presented.
It's wrong that in order to surprise the enemy, your pilots must not be logged in.
Some of you may argue the same with 'local', but that's another topic.
So, in order to add someone to WL, that someone must agree. I sincerely believe this will make for a better game.
I would have to say no. Thats what friend list are for not WATCH list....that is all carry on.
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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:04:00 -
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I'm going to play devil's advocate for a minute (which makes CCP the devil):
CCP is constructing a system with certain, unstable elements (us). They can't know how those unstable, unpredictable elements are going to interact with the system they are constructing.
Often, by the time they find that some tool or feature they created is detrimental to the game, that tool or feature has already come into standard use and it's abuse is now common practice. Attempting to change that tool or feature causes people to whine and complain and even threaten to financially punish the company (IRL) if said tool or feature is removed/changed.
In that setting, it's easy to understand how a "bad" tool or feature is often better left as it is, from their perspective. We're ******* brats and ******** and some of us are prone to irrational behavior like unsubscribing our 595498393489 accounts because CCP wants to give us the option to wear hats in-game.
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With that all said, the "problem" of the watchlist is easily resolved if they would give us the option to Always Appear Online. Then people could even watch us when we weren't logged in. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
8521
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:13:00 -
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"we already play supercaps online in easy mode, please make it easier for us"
Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
8521
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:16:00 -
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like really if you're in n3/pl and you're crying about how nobody wants to trade blows with your supercap fleet, loooool
Twitter: @EVEAndski
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