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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.17 07:44:00 -
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I think thast because the Devs told them specifically that under no circumstances were they to reveal publically or in roleplay who/what they received in trade.
Damn.
That kinda sux0rs.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.17 07:52:00 -
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I think thast because the Devs told them specifically that under no circumstances were they to reveal publically or in roleplay who/what they received in trade.
So instead of a Miner V...they could be sitting on almost anything. Maybe a hybrid frigate...Maybe a Titan...Maybe a station platform...
Hrm... 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.08.17 07:57:00 -
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Or maybe just the battelship they gave to the pe0n who gave them the miner5 in the first place?
Maybe they discussed the forthcoming event in stain and decided on stain to be the region so the stain alliance would lose a fewships instead of TTi?
Maybe the longer we all talk the more paranoid we'll get... It's unlikely we'll find out what they got, so why bother worrying about it. the Devs messed up, messed up tryign to fix things, then saw their mistake and randomised a few events to pacific some folks, messing up again - but hey they are learning, and with each patch the game gets more bland (balanced) except for noobs starting out, who have it tougher each time something that has been used extensively is nerfed.
I wouldn't worry what TTi got, and its very very unlikely to be something not already in game, sure that was the initial problem - and the Devs may mess things up, but I don't think they are stupid.
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Kinjite
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Posted - 2003.08.17 08:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kinjite on 17/08/2003 08:40:37
Well I got me a lvl 5 Lemming disruptor. unfortunitly it works so well I got's nothing for my road kill stew!
Honestly if you had lvl 5 Items that would seriously disrupt the game balance for all the players we wouldn't be reading your plea on the forums, instead we would be listening to "I owned the devs" posts
Chief Security Officer - Kusari Systems
"and Death shall have no dominion"
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zincol
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Posted - 2003.08.17 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: zincol on 17/08/2003 09:36:39
Edited by: zincol on 17/08/2003 09:34:12
Edited by: zincol on 17/08/2003 09:29:51
i currently have 9 tech5 items soon as Reversed Engineering comes in i will use these for a bp and make more,unless cpp do sumin about this...
Thanks for this lutok
Nothin has been done as of yet,it has been over a week!
If the items r taken away and nothin given in return this will show favourtisem to other corps! and result to unfairness. 9 tech5 items may not be the same as 1 tech5 mining lazer but i could reverse engineer 9 of these and have the only tech5 device bp in the game... unless there is more out there?
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2003.08.17 09:55:00 -
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One of our Corp members has aquired 9 tech 5 devices over a week ago. We (our corp) has been trying to establish a dialouge with the GM's/Dev's to have them swapped out like they did for TTI (who received a Miner 2 BPC for a single tech 5 laser).
So you tried it on with some tech 5 missiles/drones which are old news. You petitioned with the intent to screw something out of CCP (Not because you were suddenly smote with the sceptre of game balance altruism), you didn't get a response so now you wheel out the whole TTI conspiracy thing AGAIN (for the love of god!)
Consider my thoughts shared. 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.17 09:56:00 -
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One of our Corp members has aquired 9 tech 5 devices over a week ago. We (our corp) has been trying to establish a dialouge with the GM's/Dev's to have them swapped out like they did for TTI (who received a Miner 2 BPC for a single tech 5 laser).
So you tried it on with some tech 5 missiles/drones which are old news. You petitioned with the intent to screw something out of CCP (Not because you were suddenly smote with the sceptre of game balance altruism), you didn't get a response so now you wheel out the whole TTI conspiracy thing AGAIN (for the love of god!)
Consider my thoughts shared.
Thats what I think too.
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zincol
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Posted - 2003.08.17 10:08:00 -
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It's up to ccp what they do, tech 5 isnt suppose to even be in the game at the moment,
Reversed enginnering is suppse to be intruduced soon so if it's possible could always do that to the 9 tech5 items and get a bp from it... Start sellin the items makin more bp's and so on... makin it a bit more unfair...unless the tech5 is intruduced or the bp put out for every 1... be just like miner II all over again...it's all If's and But's
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edudtset
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Posted - 2003.08.17 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: edudtset on 17/08/2003 10:20:31
So you tried it on with some tech 5 missiles/drones which are old news. You petitioned with the intent to screw something out of CCP (Not because you were suddenly smote with the sceptre of game balance altruism), you didn't get a response so now you wheel out the whole TTI conspiracy thing AGAIN (for the love of god!)
5.5 a pop "given" to tti seems game balance altruism is not a big deal on ccp's list anyway
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I just find laughable that, despite all the big talk, they end their "careers" in such a way. oO |
frstkor13
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Posted - 2003.08.17 11:21:00 -
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all of you idiots with your retarded [X] VOTE YES TO BE A MORON signatures should be shot repeatedly with nailguns.
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zincol
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Posted - 2003.08.17 13:25:00 -
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LoL!
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Erty
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Posted - 2003.08.17 14:59:00 -
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Everybody who says that TTI was given a Miner II blueprint, where is your source?
I havn't seen anyone from CCP, TTI or Polaris confirming this.
It's just damn speculations - and you believe in them only because you want to. You want to whine. Instead of playing the game or doing something else you just sit here and blame CCP and TTI for things that most likely never happened.
Btw, take a look at this.
"There has been much debate about the Miner II blueprints now in circulation. I can confirm that rogue Jovians have been carrying these blueprints, some have been shot down and had their blueprints taken."
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=25269
Are the devs lying?
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zincol
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Posted - 2003.08.17 15:23:00 -
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all i can say that there is 3 polaris members in TTI which i cant give everdence to as of yet,i have a guy who was from a big corp who also had polaris and he confirmed that there corp was give "free" items...but we can only speculate...
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Erty
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Posted - 2003.08.17 15:31:00 -
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AFAIK Polaris members can't even give people stuff...only GM's.
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Lutok
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Posted - 2003.08.17 15:40:00 -
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Everybody who says that TTI was given a Miner II blueprint, where is your source?
I havn't seen anyone from CCP, TTI or Polaris confirming this.
It's just damn speculations - and you believe in them only because you want to. You want to whine. Instead of playing the game or doing something else you just sit here and blame CCP and TTI for things that most likely never happened.
Btw, take a look at this.
"There has been much debate about the Miner II blueprints now in circulation. I can confirm that rogue Jovians have been carrying these blueprints, some have been shot down and had their blueprints taken."
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=25269
Are the devs lying?
My source is:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=25269
I'm not whining. I'm asking for some sort of dialouge from CCP and the same preferred treatment that another corp received when they aquired a tech 5 item. These tech 5 items are not supposed to be in game, and were not aquired from pirate drops. Regardless of what they are (no, they are not missiles), they are not supposed to be in game.
The people who support EVE (GM's/Dev's) are the ones placing these modules in the game and not for the benefit of the EVE community.
I'm playing the game. Probably more than I should. I'm spending my time earning my isk the old fashioned way, I'm working for it via mining, and selling pirate loot. What bothers me is the manner in which CCP handled the first mistakenly placed tech 5 item and then their immediate response to get it taken out of the game.
Again, read http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=25269
Mining is 90% of most players income making activity. So anything that effects that endeavor has great impact on gameplay. But again, this is not a "gimmie" post. As I stated, I'm merely asking for a dialogue rather than silence. Silence breeds suspicion.
What would be nice if no tech 5 items were in the game...period. That would solve all the various posts that have centered around them.
Lutok
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Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.08.17 16:10:00 -
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Within your source there is nothing to suggest that TTi got a miner2 print for their lvl5 tech, in fatc they have stated several times that they did not, and that they were not allowed to discuss what they did get.
Other corps did get miner2 prints for their tech5 lasers, but not TTi, several got prints when the jovos were killed in stain - and some got the form the very poorly advertsied container events last friday.
This container event stated it would be suitable for non-rping people, and in sheer geniosu style, was advertised on the day and was over before many people logged on to play. A good first outing for the aurora team, lots of happy competitors.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.17 16:49:00 -
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all i can say that there is 3 polaris members in TTI which i cant give everdence to as of yet,i have a guy who was from a big corp who also had polaris and he confirmed that there corp was give "free" items...but we can only speculate...
polaris cannot spawn items, polaris cannot use GM commands. polaris have indestructable ships that can teleport anywhere they want (thats a part of the ship, thus they cannot teleport in any other ship).
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.17 16:51:00 -
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Oh yeah and i think you're trying to rip something off CCP for those crappy drones (aka 9 uber tech lvl5 items) in a very lame way (aka whinage on the boards).
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.08.17 17:22:00 -
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TTI got something for their tech 5 laser because they paid over 55 million isk for it, what did you pay to get your items?
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.08.17 17:26:00 -
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lol, seems like the carebear menace is not ended yet...
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.08.17 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Xelios on 17/08/2003 17:28:46
Here's what I think happened. You found these tech 5 items somewhere and didn't pay a dime for them, now you want CCP to give you free stuff just because you happen to come across items that weren't supposed to be in the game yet.
If I'm wrong then feel free to give me the correct version of the story.
btw what just happened to your reply zinco? why are you unable to say?
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Lutok
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Posted - 2003.08.17 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Xelios on 17/08/2003 17:28:46
Here's what I think happened. You found these tech 5 items somewhere and didn't pay a dime for them, now you want CCP to give you free stuff just because you happen to come across items that weren't supposed to be in the game yet.
If I'm wrong then feel free to give me the correct version of the story.
btw what just happened to your reply zinco? why are you unable to say?
It's a sad statement to the players of EVE when they keep saying, "where is your proof is this or that" when a direct link is provided over and over for explicitly that purpose.
How does one come across items that are not supposed to be in game? Did I wander across them floating in a cargo container and scoop them up? Did I kill pirates for them? I know the answer.
Obviously, the IQ of a select few posters are lowering as they cannot read the links and continue to make contradictory statements that are intended to flame the poster.
It would be nice if a dialogue could be started with CCP like what happened before when the miner 2 BPC came into play.
It all boils down to this. No tech 5 item should be in the game at all. There is only one method for these items to be in the game.
All you who perceive this as a whiner post need to read the posts again. Obviously you've missed something. Sadly, one cannot force you to read properly.
Oh well, when reverse engineering comes in game, we'll be happy and you'll be the one 'whining'.
Flame on.
Lutok
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.17 20:17:00 -
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So, you think the way CCP supposedly reimbursed TTi for the money they supposedly spent on the mining laser was wrong, but you want them to do it for you too?
And as for why they aren't talking to you, probably you have some missiles or drones that no one cares about because they are consumable and/or totally crappy.
And you probably just picked these up, and did not spend millions of isk aquiring them.
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Solaris Soze
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Posted - 2003.08.17 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Solaris Soze on 17/08/2003 21:52:45
Ffs, here is the post that it Lucust or whatever is refering to:
"There has been much debate about the Miner II blueprints now in circulation. I can confirm that rogue Jovians have been carrying these blueprints, some have been shot down and had their blueprints taken. The blueprints are being introduced this way into the game but his will not be the only way they will be introduced, the Jovians simply got their hands on fully working prototypes from Crielere that then found their way into the hands of players. This has been as being staged as an event for the players and their corporations.
The events will unfold at various locations in space to balance the distribution. There is no favouritism on the dev part to any special corporation.
The location for yesterday's slaughter was picked as it required an effort on the player's account to organize, deal and communicate amongst themselves, both on a personal level and on a corporate level, often revealing the true colours of people and corps, be it loyalty or treachery." - t0rfiFrans, EVE dev team
Now please read and consider if it states in anyway that tti received just about anything for their miner v. Then post with a quote. I dare you.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.17 21:56:00 -
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I'd like to post this comment to respond to all the theories concerning TTI and its Jovian Miner encounter.
For edudtset I will add we are not cheating exploiters and once again I will state any member of TTI who does cheat or exploit will not be a member of TTI for long. I have not lied on this board and will not start now. My credibility is NOT in question here as I've given no reason to cause the question in the first place. I've spoken honestly about what happend and will do so here.
As for the facts of the encounter just to clear the air. A chance encounter between Saruu (not of TTI) and a CCP Dev (Torifrans) resulted in Saruu gaining possession of a Miner V.
Because he realized the value of this device it was sold to a member of TTI for an undisclosed sum of money and/or materials (no it wasn't $55million). After this occured the TTI member posted a roleplaying story in the eveforums (intergalactic summit) describing the event (with roleplaying thrown in).
After this all hell broke loose. We had people claiming TTI exploited, stole, cheated, used GM and Polaris connections and generally did everything wrong that could be wrong to obtain this Miner V.
In the end Torifrans (the CCP Dev) came forward and stated the entire event was a mistake, he didn't realize the value of the Miner V and didn't even give it to TTI in the first place.
As a result and the continuing public outcry in the forums the Jovians (under GM control I'm sure) appeared outside our base in several battleships. They asked the TTI member to meet them the next day in a distant system and to "bring the device". It was very dramatic.
Anyway our member showed up the next day with the device. Some other people showed up as well and were destroyed by the Jovians. Our member was taken someplace deep in Jovian space for a period of time. When he returned I asked him personally what happend and he said "I can't say I've been sworn to secrecy".
Obviously the Jovians have ordered him to keep quiet!
Anyway, now a couple of weeks later, the complaints about TTI continue. For the record I will state the following:
1) TTI does not have two copies of the Miner II blueprint. I am aware of one other corp (the other one that was present at the meeting?) having one but I do not know how they obtained it.
2) I am not personally aware of any TTI member having the Miner II BP. That being said as we are a company of individuals and we are all free to conduct our own business as long as it's legitimate one of our members may very well have it - they are not required to tell the company.
3) All the accusations that TTI has lied, cheated, exploited and acted without honour have been proven wrong several times over in this affair.
Since I can not confirm or deny TTI having a Miner II BP and I can't get a firm answer from the one person who knows for sure all I have are my own suspicions. I will keep those to myself as all they are is inuendo and my personal thoughts. I WILL NOT state them for everyone as fact (as many have done here).
Regarding the nine tech 5 devices in the possession of these people. I personally don't believe ANY tech 5 devices belong in game. This includes these items and also includes the 1000 tech 5 missiles one other party has. When reverse engineering comes into the game it will be an incredible unbalancer. Far more so then a Miner II that EVERYONE has the opportunity to buy on the market.
I know CCP hasn't responded to the tech 5 items in this companys possession. I am hopeful they will soon. Consistency is the primary objective for any MMPORG. Let's give CCP a chance to have another Jovian event with another company possessing tech 5 devices.
Calladen Nimitz
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la'Rei
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Posted - 2003.08.17 21:56:00 -
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One of our Corp members has aquired 9 tech 5 devices over a week ago. We (our corp) has been trying to establish a dialouge with the GM's/Dev's to have them swapped out like they did for TTI (who received a Miner 2 BPC for a single tech 5 laser).
To those who have no clue how TTI's transaction took place let me recap a bit.
--Recap--
An artist Dev who had been working on the Jovian character models decided to show off his hard work one day recently. He undocks from a station, finds a player, and they dialouge for a bit. The dev then rewards the player for talking to him with a tech 5 laser from his ship.
That player then goes and sells the tech 5 laser to a TTI corp member for the sum of 55mil.
The other dev's learn of this and decide to roleplay to take this tech 5 item out of the game. Not wanting to have TTI loose 55mil, they decided to offer a trade (in the form of a jovian encounter): A Miner 2 BPC for the single tech 5 laser.
--End Recap--
That's all fine and dandy. However, we have been trying to get the same treatment as the TTI corp for our NINE, count them, NINE tech 5 devices. 5 days have past since we tried to talk to the the GM's/Dev's. Our original petition remains unanswered.
I ask the eve community, what in your opinion's should be done (regardless of what CCP 'thinks' is appropriate...silence really sucks) with our corp's 9 tech 5 devices in light of the TTI trade described above.
We (our corp) are all frustrated at the lack of response from CCP. We feel we should be given our fair chance at the isk printing press as well.
Share your thoughts.
Lutok
C.X.G.
if you had some BRAINS. and read the news updates on EVE. it says that Ouvia (the jove general event thing? do you rember that? yes. He *STOLE* Miner2 blueprint copies... and all his buddies had them!!!!) Well, I WONDER SINCE THE FIRST DAY THEY WERE PUT IN, MINER2'S STARTED SHOWING UP. DUH, CCP DID NOT TRADE MINER2 FOR THE TECH 5 MINER... Brains before flameing please.
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zincol
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Posted - 2003.08.17 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: zincol on 17/08/2003 22:23:08
Thank you Calladen Nimitz for pointing that all out and sorting out alot of answer's at least we all know now,all that remains is the current tech5 items in the game, this could also result in TTI gaining procession of these other tech5 items. Who know's only time will tell. (Unless TTI Already have these tech5 items)
Reversed engineering will come and will make these remaining tech5 items that are in the game another disadvantage to others and another big money maker...
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Lutok
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Posted - 2003.08.17 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Lutok on 17/08/2003 22:41:37
la'Rei, I wish I could teach you to read...but alas, I think that is a fruitless endeavor. God speed on your tutoring lessons.
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Calladen, thank you for your post. If any of my posts gave the impession that I was trying insult or sully the name of your corp, I apologize.
I to strive for consistency. As long as the chasm of silence widens, only more suspicions and false rumors will persist and grow. If CCP deems it so that we are allowed to keep these devices and reverse engineer them, that is acceptable.
Where once an encounter was specifically created to deal with the accidental introduction of a tech 5 device, why for not another one to deal with these as well?
It's obvious contructive criticism or other means to deal with these items from the EVE player base is pointless. Most prefer to flame over and over rather than provide anything useful to add or suggest.
I wish you all the best in EVE and hope a solution is forthcoming that is fair and balanced for the EVE community. 99% of you know nothing of how we aquired these devices yet are quick to suggest we 'found' them and deserve nothing for them. Such is your right to say so. But I and others disagree, which is our right.
Regardless, the intent of this thread was merely to get the wheels of progress moving as nothing has happened since we initially reported these devices to CCP.
Lutok
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.08.17 22:51:00 -
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"99% of you know nothing of how we aquired these devices yet are quick to suggest we 'found' them and deserve nothing for them."
Uhuh... I must be in the 1% that doesn't then, care to enlighten me?
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zincol
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Posted - 2003.08.17 22:55:00 -
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"99% of you know nothing of how we aquired these devices yet are quick to suggest we 'found' them and deserve nothing for them."
Uhuh... I must be in the 1% that doesn't then, care to enlighten me?
Read again,Then Read what you have wrote...
in other words 1% only know's the 99% do not know
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