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Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:05:00 -
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This is not a "in theory" this a actual fact. I have 4.2 million in drone skills, with drones, DI, scout, heavy, mining at level 5, the new skills to level 3. My drones Heavy, medium, or light will not touch an NPC assault, tackler, or webber frigate. This is a major nerf that the skills do not correct. Is there going to be new skills so that drones can hit frigates again?
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Zirator
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:20:00 -
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I have only 275k sp in drones but my Hammerheads have absolutely no problems with taking out NPC frigs.
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Sonreir
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:22:00 -
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I used solo mine in a medium barge with medium drones and I've been down to half armor before in 0.6 space. Now I use 5 lights instead of the mediums and fully expect not to have any trouble in 0.5 and maybe even 0.4.
I don't know what the OP is talking about....
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:49:00 -
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I guess he's complaining that heavy drones with their larger guns can't hit small unwebbed, unpainted targets.
I'm also guessing he's just whining rather than try using lights and mediums, which even PC T2 frigs need to fear now.....
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:10:00 -
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I've not had any issues hitting NPC frigs using wasp 2's...
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:15:00 -
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I have no problems hitting NPC frigs/destroyers/cruisers with lights OR mediums.
[Now with MIND BULLETS!]
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Venril
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:18:00 -
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My medium drones blow even the fastest Angel frig NPC`s out of the sky. In general 5 medium drones are better then 5 heavies against NPCs.
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Xascor
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:21:00 -
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I have 56k in drone skills and my 4 Hammerhead I's have no problem with webbers or any other frigate I've faced.
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franny
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Posted - 2005.12.19 17:24:00 -
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di4, heavy 2(I was a slacker), all the new drone skills at 1, cruiser 5(ishtar)
my heavys still raped the tackler npc's, not as fast as pre patch, but still fast enough
i'll test mediums and lights tonight, if I can beat my home pc into submission again
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NetHawk
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Posted - 2005.12.19 18:30:00 -
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Heavies can't hit any of the higher bounty frigates very well at all. My Ogres and Berserkers took about 10 minutes to destroy a Guardian Veteran or Angel Viper. Hammerheads do just fine. They would indeed tear them up with the quickness pre-patch. What's funny about the whole thing is that they gave heavies a tracking bonus according to the patch notes 
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.19 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 19/12/2005 18:44:13
Elite NPC's are easy to kill with Mediums and Lights. The Sekeretet? A webber 
 Originally by: NetHawk
What's funny about the whole thing is that they gave heavies a tracking bonus according to the patch notes
They did, they also finally added weapon signature resolution to drones though.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2005.12.19 19:25:00 -
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You trained drone navigation. That was a bad idea.
The drones now have to overcome their enhanced speed and their tracking.
Solution: Web your heavy drones. 
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.19 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
You trained drone navigation. That was a bad idea.
The drones now have to overcome their enhanced speed and their tracking.
Solution: Web your heavy drones.
Good point, im glad i still have my drone navigation book sitting in my hangar 
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Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2005.12.19 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Miri Tirzan on 19/12/2005 19:56:51
Originally by: Tachy
You trained drone navigation. That was a bad idea.
The drones now have to overcome their enhanced speed and their tracking.
Solution: Web your heavy drones.
I hope your kidding, I have to slow down my drones so they can hit?
Oh, and I have tried light, medium, and heavy drones and none do well against the better class of frigates, basic frigates are easy, but the upgraded ones... which is what I said, they do little or no damage to.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Derek Degenerante
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:02:00 -
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Since we control the drones by mind link shouldnt we be able to set their speed?
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ChaosOne
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
You trained drone navigation. That was a bad idea.
The drones now have to overcome their enhanced speed and their tracking.
Solution: Web your heavy drones.
drone navigation increases the drone max velocity. try looking at the bottom of the drone attributes and youll see theres a drone orbit velocity. if im not mistaken, that should'nt be affected by the nav skill.
(wonder if a dev or gm could confirm this).
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: F''nog on 19/12/2005 22:43:04
My 5 valks took out Angel ceptors in near record time and ate away at a BS quite effectively. And this is without any of the new skills trained. *edit* and DI at III.
Originally by: rowbin hod
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Ankanos
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:29:00 -
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well..i was gonna reserve my whining for a big "i told you so"
post about how much drones suck now.
um, i hated the whole drone nerf, being one that
flys only a domi and any other ships that had
a decent sized drone bay.. cyclone, rupture,celstis etc..
think i have like 1.7mil in drones atm..
well, i tore up my "i told you so post" put it my hat
and ate it..
Drones atm.. are f-in awesome! have you tried the light
and medium drones? they shred everything in short order now.
esp the lights.. those buggers are nasty! -as i almost
always use a painter, even the heavies are A-1 in my book.
5 lights, esp t2's will even dispatch cruisers in decent time.
i'm curently liking a 3x light 2x medium combo the most atm.
as far as i can see, the only placee we got the shaft is
with mining drones -and the fact someone (i'm gonna point the finger at lickspittle, as i helped him make aware) thought it would be a very funny to make it so we can longer gang with someone offline, so we could enjoy perfect, well behaved drone AI as it was meant to be.
other than that.. so far, they did a pretty dang good
job with the drone changes, imho..
-ank
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Oisin
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:07:00 -
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I used to use 6 heavies with my bs, now I use 2 heavy 2 medium and 1 light, and they hit for more damage than before. I haven't trained any of the new skills beyond level 1 yet. Then again, I always use a webber...
(1 million in drones, hd 4 di 4, t2 small and medium)
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Stephen HB
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:07:00 -
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Maybe it's just me, but my 5 hammerheads with drone interfacing 3 and combat drone operation 1 couldn't touch the shield tank of a Guristas Kyoukan. Does anyone know if this NPC has some ungodly thermal resist?
Also, when fighting mercenary wingman, I found my hammerheads were hitting far more consistently when I didn't web the fighter, forcing them to chase instead of orbit. This tells me the orbit speed/distance of drones needs to be adjusted so they don't overshoot their tracking, a fairly basic concept I'm surprised has been missed.
I understand that the drone adjustments were necessary, but simply dismissing anyone's valid concerns as nerf whining is counterproductive in the long term since any problems get overlooked.
-- Originally by: Nyphur
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Heavenly Explorer
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:51:00 -
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<- Nearly 2m sp in drones.
The other day, I had a high-bounty frigate double target painted, and webbed - yet my heavy drones could barely hit it. It took about 10 Minutes (I ended up going afk...) to kill it - and it only died because my drones must've all fluked hits on it at the same time.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.12.20 03:57:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 20/12/2005 03:58:09
"Maybe it's just me, but my 5 hammerheads with drone interfacing 3 and combat drone operation 1 couldn't touch the shield tank of a Guristas Kyoukan. Does anyone know if this NPC has some ungodly thermal resist?"
Kyoukan is NPC equivalent of Assault Frigate, with quite comparable stats. If you were unlucky, it's possible your drones were doing exactly the kind of damage she's highly resistant to... which for Caldari AF would be therm + kinetic iirc, with quite a bit of explosive resistance thrown in. o.O
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2005.12.20 06:51:00 -
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Drones nerfed yeh..
than why a heavy drone can hit a wrecking of 250!!!! point on me ??
Drones are buffed.. just train up interfacing and the new skills...
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:02:00 -
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OMFG! You say that training drone speed skill will actually make them hit less??
Time to petition and ask to remove that skill. Its lvl4 already 
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Skva
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:12:00 -
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Well I'm yet to try them on PCs, or mission npcs.
But my heavy drones (wasps) have NO problem, none at all, hitting any kind of belt npc.
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Ruldar
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Posted - 2005.12.20 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
OMFG! You say that training drone speed skill will actually make them hit less??
Time to petition and ask to remove that skill. Its lvl4 already
That hasn't been confirmed yet, right now its just speculation.
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Caldorous
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Posted - 2005.12.20 20:29:00 -
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The attribute that was nerfed of the drones is one that is hidden, it is called Artificial IQ, so, they are more stupid than before, they attack wrong targets and dont have the skill to enter the drone bay as they should.
The other things are just fine. All the drones unless the sentrys should be able to kill a npc frig, the npc intys are just another world.
Have you noticed that the wasp have 35 rad/sec (more or less) tracking speed? that is that in one second their turrets can perform 5,5 full loops!
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FawKa
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Posted - 2005.12.20 21:22:00 -
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I've got the same problems but I have found a way. I'm using heavy drones, and as you said they wont hurt webbers, veterans and other frigs. If you get them attack they will give them dmg and then stop when your drones begin to orbit the frig. Just order your drones to come closer to you - andthen attack the frig again.. after 2-3 times the frig would be very very dead  - I hope this helps abit - and sorry if someone has posted it before.
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Zed Nash
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Posted - 2005.12.20 21:25:00 -
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Heavy drone user here, fly a Domi and Ishtar.
One of the big complaints about missiles pre-nerf was that any size missile could be used against any size ship, and still do the same damage.
This was, to an extent, drones until RMR. Now I've found using smaller drones to attack smaller targets is much more effective than using heavy drones to attack everything.
Change your tactics.
I carry multiple waves of different sized drones now, and choose my drones accordingly (a safe pick is Mediums), and I have great success, no complaints. A webber and painter are always recommended for drone users, so fit one or (preferrably) both.
I have fewer SPs in drones than you do, there's no reason you should have problems with drones when I don't.
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Kelgen Thann
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Posted - 2005.12.20 21:29:00 -
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I use Tech 2 Medium Drones, and before I used them I tried Tech 1 mediums. I absolutely destroy the elite frigs in 0.0 space where I Hunt.
Customize your damage type to the Rat, and you won't have a problem. If Iused Explosive drones I imagine I'd have trouble, But I don't.
I have 1 mil in Drone skills. and I find they are great. Just make sure you have the Drone Sharpshooter at level 3 or 4 then your laughing.
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