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Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.03 10:00:00 -
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For the bellicose, it's an ewar ship, compared to the blackbird it has easily over 25% more damage before drones. For the cyclone, bellicose, and breacher, the increased space for drones more than makes up for the lost missile dps (5 medium drones vs 5 lights, 4 mediums or 5 lights vs 3 lights, and 2 light drones compared to none respectively) so the maximum damage potential goes to the minmatar ships.. The Cerberus has range because the sacrilege outclasses it in dps and ehp, and the same goes for the vengeance, just in a smaller package.
"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |
Mr Doctor
Los Polos Hermanos.
Happy Cartel
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Posted - 2013.08.03 10:14:00 -
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I love the cycle of each week a new race is "hated by CCP". Amarr pilots think they are **** of for speed, Gallente for range, Matar for new TEs and Caldari for a buffed damage type.
Get over it. All 4 races are all great at different things. Stop being whiney little bitches because you arent a Jove. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.03 10:39:00 -
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Mr Doctor wrote:I love the cycle of each week a new race is "hated by CCP". Amarr pilots think they are **** of for speed, Gallente for range, Matar for new TEs and Caldari for a buffed damage type.
Get over it. All 4 races are all great at different things. Stop being whiney little bitches because you arent a Jove.
And the great thing about being the only race doing one damage type is?
"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2013.08.03 10:57:00 -
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Imo all caldari ships should have a bonus to kinetic, its their damage, they should be forced to use it. It opens up metagaming and as missiles are a tad op (lights/rlmls) that would be good for balancing. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.03 11:25:00 -
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Rlms are only op imo on one ship because of it's range, not it's damage potential. As for light missiles, I disagree.
"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |
Caleb Seremshur
Angel of War
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Posted - 2013.08.03 20:45:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:Mr Doctor wrote:I love the cycle of each week a new race is "hated by CCP". Amarr pilots think they are **** of for speed, Gallente for range, Matar for new TEs and Caldari for a buffed damage type.
Get over it. All 4 races are all great at different things. Stop being whiney little bitches because you arent a Jove. And the great thing about being the only race doing one damage type is?
bt thats wrong. you can do all damage types. just swap your ammo. incase you missed the maths being posted earlier a caracal shooting em miasiles does only 0.3 less effective launcher damage than a similar ship from minmatar
Read my thread here for my thoughts on eve economy
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Mining in game, from the perspective of an IRL miner. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
262
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Posted - 2013.08.03 21:43:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Drake Doe wrote:Mr Doctor wrote:I love the cycle of each week a new race is "hated by CCP". Amarr pilots think they are **** of for speed, Gallente for range, Matar for new TEs and Caldari for a buffed damage type.
Get over it. All 4 races are all great at different things. Stop being whiney little bitches because you arent a Jove. And the great thing about being the only race doing one damage type is? bt thats wrong. you can do all damage types. just swap your ammo. incase you missed the maths being posted earlier a caracal shooting em miasiles does only 0.3 less effective launcher damage than a similar ship from minmatar
The caracal doesn't have a kinetic bonus...
"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.03 21:57:00 -
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Yep it is a lame bonus
It should be changed to +5% kinetic type dmg/lvl which also increases the dmg of non kinetic missiles just the extra dmg is kinetic.
Fe
you have scourge heavy assault missile which does 100 kinetic dmg with lvl0 skills
with lvl5 ship hull skill it would do 125 kinetic dmg
and if you use mjolnir heavy assault missile which does 100 em dmg with lvl0 skills
with lvl5 ship hull skill it would do 100 em and 25 kinetic dmg
there is your racial flavour and still caldari would get its bonus for every dmg type missiles as it should do
btw have you seen only thermal dmg bonused gallente drone ships? nope but it would be totally the same as this kinetic missile only bonus |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.03 22:29:00 -
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There is one semi drone boat that has thermal bonuses, but it's the only frigate with a drone damage bonus.
"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |
Alsyth
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Posted - 2013.08.04 10:29:00 -
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As others, I think the equivalent would be Gallente drone boats to get a bonus to thermal drones/sentires and only them. Which is, of course, a terrible idea.
And Amarr getting a damage bonus only for EM drones, of course.
I hear CCP Fozzie and Rise like that, it might make it to next expansion with the revamp of drones UI! |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
143
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Posted - 2013.08.04 10:56:00 -
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Alsyth wrote:Or you just use a Cyclone, new Claymore, Bellicose, Scythe Fleet Issue, etc. and get to use all missiles without an idiotic bonus to one damage type only...
How is that fair to Caldari ships?
Because Caracal, Osprey Navy, Kestrel, Raven, navy Scorp and so on are all terribly bound to kinetic.
I only correct my own spelling. |
Hopelesshobo
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
77
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Posted - 2013.08.04 19:10:00 -
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Use your bonus to your advantage, if it is widely known that you use drake fleets all the time, carry a couple stacks of the other damage types and the moment someone decides to run all kinetic hardeners....make them pay by taking advantage of their hole. At least caldari boats can pick whatever damage type they feel like shooting.
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
Robbie Robot
Exiled Kings
Enlightened Violence
12
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:38:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Alsyth wrote:Or you just use a Cyclone, new Claymore, Bellicose, Scythe Fleet Issue, etc. and get to use all missiles without an idiotic bonus to one damage type only...
How is that fair to Caldari ships? Because Caracal, Osprey Navy, Kestrel, Raven, navy Scorp and so on are all terribly bound to kinetic.
Caracal and Raven have flat missile bonuses that aren't tied to kinetic. |
Robbie Robot
Exiled Kings
Enlightened Violence
12
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:40:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:For the bellicose, it's an ewar ship, compared to the blackbird it has easily over 25% more damage before drones. For the cyclone, bellicose, and breacher, the increased space for drones more than makes up for the lost missile dps (5 medium drones vs 5 lights, 4 mediums or 5 lights vs 3 lights, and 2 light drones compared to none respectively) so the maximum damage potential goes to the minmatar ships.. The Cerberus has range because the sacrilege outclasses it in dps and ehp, and the same goes for the vengeance, just in a smaller package.
Please include the math showing that drones make these minmatar ships better. |
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