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josie haulet
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:43:00 -
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would there be a chance of making a skill book that allows your main character to train 2 skills (at a 50% reduced rate on the second) or an alt can also train one at a 50% reduced rate. cause otherwise the point of the alts is useless. i will never train skills on an alt cause i need too many skills trained on the main character.
this can be a specialized skill book but not too hard to reach for someone with say a million skill points or so.
thanks hope this would be possible
josie haulet
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Durethia
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Posted - 2005.12.20 03:05:00 -
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How about just an Advanced Learning skill? Call it Naval Academy, Graduate Courses, Higher Learning, Univercity Edukashun or something.
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josie haulet
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Posted - 2005.12.21 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: josie haulet on 21/12/2005 21:10:41
if any think this would make the alts more wothwhile other than just spies vote for a change like this. the numbers should speak for themselves.
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Saicon
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Posted - 2005.12.21 22:37:00 -
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I have 2 trained characters on the same account. All you have to do is stop training your main for a while.
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josie haulet
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Posted - 2005.12.22 14:54:00 -
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but the point is you have to stop training your main account and its not worth doing that until your main char is high enough in skill points. and by then you dont need an alt
i wouldnt waste time training an alt because it would mean im not training the main. and thats not gonna happen. the main needs all the attention to get it to a point were it can have an effect.
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TiraX
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Posted - 2005.12.22 23:30:00 -
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It's really the point of Eve, you don't need alts, when it comes to "proffessions". Only use can be trading, spying, pirating. In which you have to sacrifice time on your main. And what would it help really? If you go 50% on two. Just go 100% one them seperate = same time.
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josie haulet
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Posted - 2005.12.23 03:34:00 -
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no i must not have stated the idea clearly enough for some of you train one skill on your main character at(100%).
and at same time train a different skill on an alt at an amount between 10% and 50% depending on the level of the aplicable (new ) skill book. so even if its at the 10% range you can get base skills up in a slow but steady rate.
hope this clears it up.
ps if you dont train an alt then the extra % can be added to the main char on a second skill at same time.
have a nice day and night and day and night and so on.
god this game is like a drug. lol
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josie haulet
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Posted - 2005.12.30 22:20:00 -
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damn i thought this was a workable idea i spent loads of time workin it out (5 mins) its at least worth thinkin about. it just means the alts are worth something. i hope a GM looks at this and thinks it could work.(and give me the first book free) lol
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Filan
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Posted - 2005.12.30 22:32:00 -
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more then one at once on the same char would be nice but have it be from the advanced learning tree maybe even add two skills. Advanced Learning Technique(sp) and then Multi-Tasking. Multi-Tasking would require adv learning tech 4. but also have some penilty for learning two at once, as your attention is not split between two skills.
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josie haulet
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Posted - 2005.12.30 23:08:00 -
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the training of a second skill on main char was a nice wish but mainly it was for the alts the main char second skill was only wishful thinking, trying to give the main idea some merit and give pause for thought.
but some hash or rehash of this idea could work and be fair ty for your comments
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Winston VanSantz
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Posted - 2005.12.31 05:14:00 -
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I dont understand why they make the alts so unuseable in the game. I understand the potential for abuse, but those that would abuse, are already simply getting multiple accounts to work around it. Most of us would like to be able to use alts to try different specilaities out. Its quite annoying that you cant really delve into more than one specialty at the higher levels. It almost makes me wish for a second server. I think the reason the numberof concurrent users is so high, is really due to macrominers and people with multiple account runnning at the same time, not actual human beings behidn every number.
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Red Flag
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Posted - 2005.12.31 12:48:00 -
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If you want it to take twice as long to train an alt.. then just train the alt after you do the main character.
It would be the same ammount of time! Except the current way you can train one skill with your "main character" and then USE THAT skill while your alt trains in thier skill. If they both trained at 50% the rate, then you couldn't use either skill until they both finished.
I dont' like this idea.
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mimik
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Posted - 2005.12.31 15:26:00 -
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the main reason this will never happen is griefing.
if u could make combat capable alts without compromising ur main character people would engage in alot more griefing and ganking as the alts would be disposable and could be binned and restarted all while keeping your main ticking along as before.
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bonkerss
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Posted - 2005.12.31 15:35:00 -
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A skill queue system would be great, I hate it when there is 4 hours left on a skill, and you have to go to bed lol, there should be a way to queue 2 skills 
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Max Gluteus
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Posted - 2005.12.31 22:56:00 -
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Yeah, a skill training queue would be awesome! And it would only be fair to the players. Afterall, we pay CCP for 24/7 whether we train skills or not 
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josie haulet
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Posted - 2006.01.01 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: josie haulet on 01/01/2006 18:23:38
ok i will try one more time for the obvious retards.
you train the main account char at 100%.
GET IT.
then on top of that you can train a second char (an alt) at anywhere between 10% and 50%.
the main char still trains at 100%.
is this so difficult to grasp
and i dont think people would bin alts so quickly cause the time it would take to train them wouldn't make it worth their while.
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mimik
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Posted - 2006.01.02 06:39:00 -
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 Originally by: josie haulet
Edited by: josie haulet on 01/01/2006 18:23:38
ok i will try one more time for the obvious retards.
you train the main account char at 100%.
GET IT.
then on top of that you can train a second char (an alt) at anywhere between 10% and 50%.
the main char still trains at 100%.
is this so difficult to grasp
and i dont think people would bin alts so quickly cause the time it would take to train them wouldn't make it worth their while.
it would be more worthwhile than it is at the moment and it already happens.
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josie haulet
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Posted - 2006.01.04 19:51:00 -
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ok well i didnt know that but as it stands the alts are next to useless as they are so either let them be trained independantly of the main or remove them cause otherwise they are pointless.
ty
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.01.05 00:21:00 -
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I have my main character which was created as an alt to begin with. I decided that my original main character was the wrong race and capabilities for the trade I wanted to persue so I created this alt and have trained him far higher than my first character ever got to. If they do remove the alts, I hope they only delete the lower skilled characters or give the player a choice of what their main character is.
However, I like the idea of allowing the alt to train at the same time as the main and the idea of this extra skill is a neat way of introducing it. Even though I created this alt, I still think that I could have made a better choice of race and specialities to get where I am now faster. Having the chance to train another character to see how well they perform against this one is a brilliant idea, if I get it right next time, this character could end up being the alt but I don't want to waste 6 months starting over again just to find out I was wrong.
Also, with more than one character, you can switch trades if you get bored with the one you are playing and play the alt for a while.
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Fashion Bug
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Posted - 2006.01.05 00:34:00 -
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Here is a great idea...lets remove alts all together...then I would not be here and would not be able to train. I would not be used to scout out and spy in systems for my main. It would be GREAT a game without alts, fun fun fun, if it happens then I will see all you alts in the digital graveyard!
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.01.05 01:40:00 -
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So instead, you hire someone else to scout and spy for you or you do it yourself from another account.
NOT a valid arguement.
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josie haulet
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Posted - 2006.01.05 20:42:00 -
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the only reason for this is so we get more accounts i suppose. cause with the rule of only 1 skill trained per account when you can have up to 3 chars seems a bit stingy.
well ccp youve made your money on this now you have 20k plus players so 20k accounts your making your moneys worth, give us something back.
it would be sweet if this could be done.
i could train mining and hauling on one char and fighting skills on another.
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Kelgen Thann
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Posted - 2006.01.06 03:20:00 -
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Quote:
would there be a chance of making a skill book that allows your main character to train 2 skills (at a 50% reduced rate on the second) or an alt can also train one at a 50% reduced rate. cause otherwise the point of the alts is useless. i will never train skills on an alt cause i need too many skills trained on the main character.
This is the same as stopping training and starting an alt at 100% speed and then back to your main at 100% speed, in 20 days you will still have 20 days worth of training.
The only advantage to splitting is if more than 1 person uses one account, like 2 Brothers or something.
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mimik
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Posted - 2006.01.06 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: josie haulet
the only reason for this is so we get more accounts i suppose. cause with the rule of only 1 skill trained per account when you can have up to 3 chars seems a bit stingy.
well ccp youve made your money on this now you have 20k plus players so 20k accounts your making your moneys worth, give us something back.
it would be sweet if this could be done.
i could train mining and hauling on one char and fighting skills on another.
lmao
would u say to Ford, "ok guys i've driven one of your cars for a year or so now and seeing u've done well selling cars how about a free one?"
ccp are still a business.
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Mantis Arcanov
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Mantis Arcanov on 06/01/2006 12:31:02
Edited by: Mantis Arcanov on 06/01/2006 12:30:32
i kind of agree on that having alts is deadweight to anyone who plays eve online and since they cant train a single skill, cause you are working on your main character. Simply just make it easier so that the secondary character has a 50%+ more time to skill train a skill finnished so it is slower then the main character and takes the double amount of time to train :)
in that way you have a char that is combating and another trainning for research or building by what ever choice
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Red Flag
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:50:00 -
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It could never be done now... there are to many people out there with multiple characters that have skills on them. Heck, some people probably started a corp with an alt, and use their main character even though the alt is CEO or whatever.
Anyway, it could never happen. But I wish "alts" didn't even exist. One character per account would be solve a lot of grief problems.
I mean, it's the worst thing in the world when your hunting someone and they just decide to log off and play an alt. If they wanted to log of and wimp out, then their loss for hiding this way they would be punishing themselves by not getting things done that make them ISK and such.
However, since they can just log off and then go do things with thier alts, they don't lose game time while the hunter has to either give up the chase or sit and wait for that person to log back on with that character.... meanwhile that person could be sitting there mining in the same system and watching their would be killers.
Alts just cause problems as is. Making them even more useful would just ruin the integrity of the game even more.
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Zarten Blazer
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Posted - 2006.01.06 12:53:00 -
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would be nice to fly something other than a friget to get shout at or something bigger than a itron to move my mains belongings
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Captain Riddick
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Posted - 2006.01.06 14:41:00 -
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My alt started out as its own account. I trained my main character and my second account up at the same time and then moved my second account to my main account and is now an alt. My alt can mine in a Covetor and fly a freighter and my main character did not lose any skill points in the process. This allowed me to learn multiple skills faster with two different characters. So there is a purpose to alts the way I am using it.
Captain Rid****
"Brutally Honest At No Extra Charge"
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kadet girlie
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Posted - 2006.01.25 12:25:00 -
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i understand this it would make sense and then we could have useful characters not dead weight. if you can afford to run 2 accounts all the time its not a problem but some of us are poor sods and spend all are cash on games. being able to train more than one character would be sweet.
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Sanaen Eydanwadh
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Posted - 2006.01.25 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Red Flag
Alts just cause problems as is. Making them even more useful would just ruin the integrity of the game even more.
what he said.
alts are already the worst annoyance in EVE. Thanks to the impossibility to skill them (without a big counterpart, the main's skills), they're not often much more than that: annoying. Please don't make them annoying AND potentially as usefull as main characters.
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josie haulet
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:14:00 -
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well i dont see that training alts would be bad. we have them i think that because we can't dual train in some way then they become a annoying thing, cause the only use they have is to spy. thats it so i want more bang for my buck from a single account, i want the ability to train all my chars not just one at a time. we all know that this is done so we spend more money on more accounts. i would like to have the option to train an alt for say hauling at the same time as train my main to fight. i dont think this is to much to ask. and as to the comments of " destroying the integrity of the game " show me what integrity your talkin about and i will think about it. the game comes with 3 chars and you should be able to use all three not just one, without training they are just useless. so lets just make some use out of what we have.
i doubt that the alts will be taken away at any time soon,so stop your whinging they're here to stay, make them useable.
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Kalaan Oratay
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Posted - 2006.04.21 15:25:00 -
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In regards to the skill 'queue', its on the drawing board.
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