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Nystoriel
Dissidence Dawn C.L.O.N.E.
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Posted - 2013.08.05 21:47:00 -
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Okay first and foremost, I'm not sure if this is the right place for this kind of a post. There were two places I thought it would be appropriate to post, this being one of them.
So here's where I'm finding an issue and I hope that other capsuleers out there are seeing this as a major issue also. It seems there is a new meta game in the pvp world of EVE. I happen to be one of those pirate scum that goes around killing pretty much anything that moves unless it's blue of course :3. I dont like to say this either that much but most of the people who live in Low Sec any more unless they are actual pirates are pretty much carebears (sorry derogatory word plz dont report me). FW and the amount of these carebears moving into low sec will start crying and carrying on in local about how you just ripped a ship out of their little fingers which usually results in a few cuss words and posting links in local. I'm sure the same stuff goes on out in Null after a huge battle goes on of some sort of propoganda and cussing carrying on etc tis a game it's to be expected. But lets face it, we are all adults here and know that cussing is going to happen.
When people get reported for using language that apparently their minds can't seem to stand which, is respectable IMO. The problem exists in the fact that these same people that report others for cussing or using links that are "offensive" which again some are, the people they report are banned instantly. The kicker here is the fact that these same people that report you for cussing in local or posting offensive pictures do it themselves. Here's where I'm thinking it's becoming a new meta. If a group of people are killing you on a constant basis and you can't seem to muster up a force to attack back and beat a group back why not report them when they post in local after you carried on whining about how you just got destroyed. Now that person is banned instantly and waiting on the verdict of how long they'll be banned for. This is complete and utter crap.
I've put petitions in about this whole thing and despite mentioning that the avg. player base is well over 20 and that bad language in today's world is something they should be accustomed to, I get the same answer. The game is rated T. Now last I checked ESRB which is used all over the world, including PEGI (Euro version) Online play cannot be rated. Not to mention there is a section in the EULA that states if a person is under a certain age they have to get parent consent in order to create an account etc.
So here's the solution. Or what I think a solution to this problem is. Most MMOs out there have a language filter. Maybe CCP should finally invest in putting this into the game that can be turned on and off depending on the players preference. The game is now 10 years old. And solution for the links... again this is an online game... you know people are gonna post some nasty things including pornography. Put a disclaimer in or put something in the EULA that states clicking on links at your own risk.
I think the EULA exploit is the fact that people who cuss themselves or post dirty links themselves report people who kill them on a regular basis just so they get banned. This is an instant process where people get banned until further investigation. I hope that this can get enough support from the community and that the Devs might reconsider fixing this issue. I know I'm getting quite upset as a paying customer that I can't have fun posting links in local because someone might be offended by a little skin showing or a troll picture. Heck most of the time I post stuff like that people are all hostile after being killed... And then once that adrenaline wares off you're laughing in local about how you messed up most of the time.
Anyways done typing this wall of text.
Please keep the responses clean in this post as it's rather important imo.
~Nyst - CLONE Diplomat
PS. Sorry for spelling errors, grammar errors etc. (Gùú_Gùó)Corpse Collector(Gùú_Gùó)
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3196
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Posted - 2013.08.05 21:54:00 -
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Nystoriel wrote:Okay first and foremost, I'm not sure if this is the right place for this kind of a post.
Got it in one Mr Garibaldi...
You should always use a support ticket to report suspected exploits. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Nystoriel
Dissidence Dawn C.L.O.N.E.
1
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Posted - 2013.08.05 21:56:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Nystoriel wrote:Okay first and foremost, I'm not sure if this is the right place for this kind of a post. Got it in one Mr Garibaldi... You should always use a support ticket to report suspected exploits.
Read further down. I have put in support tickets etc. I still think it's time to try getting support from the community is all. (Gùú_Gùó)Corpse Collector(Gùú_Gùó)
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3200
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:00:00 -
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Nystoriel wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Nystoriel wrote:Okay first and foremost, I'm not sure if this is the right place for this kind of a post. Got it in one Mr Garibaldi... You should always use a support ticket to report suspected exploits. Read further down. I have put in support tickets etc. I still think it's time to try getting support from the community is all.
O.K. As an official member of the "community" I just invoked my power to compel CCP to do whatever you want.
I accept payment in isk, or small felines in the 1-3kg range.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
231
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:01:00 -
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Even if you have placed a support ticket, this is *still* the wrong place to bring it up.
The correct place to bring such subjects up in the EVE-O fora is... Never.
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Nystoriel
Dissidence Dawn C.L.O.N.E.
1
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:05:00 -
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Well then until some CCP forum admin or Dev comes in here and tells me otherwise the post is staying. You can sit and tell me that support tickets do anything but I tend to disagree. Takes numbers to be heard in this game sadly. Criticize all you want. (Gùú_Gùó)Corpse Collector(Gùú_Gùó)
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1783
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:14:00 -
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Simple solution:
Don't do anything that breaks the EULA. Just because someone else does it, doesn't mean it's allowed.
Maybe report them yourself. Or are you going with the "I'm not a snitch" line. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3262
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:15:00 -
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Meta gaming is the way of the real world, where people use the broken system, always ready to arrest, confiscate, and kill, as their personal tool.
Neighbors dog crapped in the yard? Make an anonymous tip to the cops about drug usage. See someone legally openly carrying a gun? Report it to the cops as something worse and sit back and watch the SWAT team do your bidding.
Speaking of SWAT, there's such a thing as "SWATting" - just an example.
Entire organizations exist to get money or "one up" on their political, racial, or ideological opponents just by "being offended".
So...
why should an MMO be any different?
My recommendations:
If you are going to gank the crap out of people, you can do more damage by NOT saying one damned thing. Let them spew and fester. Let them still die, for, like in RL, words means nothing when getting shot in the face.
Follow my advice and the logs will show nothing.
The only thing worth petitioning for is a rule change: filing false charges should result in a permanent ban. |

Nystoriel
Dissidence Dawn C.L.O.N.E.
1
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:19:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Meta gaming is the way of the real world, where people use the broken system, always ready to arrest, confiscate, and kill, as their personal tool.
Neighbors dog crapped in the yard? Make an anonymous tip to the cops about drug usage. See someone legally openly carrying a gun? Report it to the cops as something worse and sit back and watch the SWAT team do your bidding.
Speaking of SWAT, there's such a thing as "SWATting" - just an example.
Entire organizations exist to get money or "one up" on their political, racial, or ideological opponents just by "being offended".
So...
why should an MMO be any different?
My recommendations:
If you are going to gank the crap out of people, you can do more damage by NOT saying one damned thing. Let them spew and fester. Let them still die, for, like in RL, words means nothing when getting shot in the face.
Follow my advice and the logs will show nothing.
The only thing worth petitioning for is a rule change: filing false charges should result in a permanent ban.
Very true. But that's where it also makes no sense... You can rob the **** out of alliances for billions of isk which is awesome I wont complain about that because like you said... it's a sandbox MMO it makes the game. So banning someone for cussing when people can lose billions within seconds isn't bannable despite hostile actions as infiltration/spying etc. Idk... It just seems funny to me.
(Gùú_Gùó)Corpse Collector(Gùú_Gùó)
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MacKael
Segmentum Solar Nulli Secunda
404
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:24:00 -
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Stop linking **** and you'll be fine. Not everyone is into meatspin.
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Rengerel en Distel
1768
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:26:00 -
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Nystoriel wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Meta gaming is the way of the real world, where people use the broken system, always ready to arrest, confiscate, and kill, as their personal tool.
Neighbors dog crapped in the yard? Make an anonymous tip to the cops about drug usage. See someone legally openly carrying a gun? Report it to the cops as something worse and sit back and watch the SWAT team do your bidding.
Speaking of SWAT, there's such a thing as "SWATting" - just an example.
Entire organizations exist to get money or "one up" on their political, racial, or ideological opponents just by "being offended".
So...
why should an MMO be any different?
My recommendations:
If you are going to gank the crap out of people, you can do more damage by NOT saying one damned thing. Let them spew and fester. Let them still die, for, like in RL, words means nothing when getting shot in the face.
Follow my advice and the logs will show nothing.
The only thing worth petitioning for is a rule change: filing false charges should result in a permanent ban. Very true. But that's where it also makes no sense... You can rob the **** out of alliances for billions of isk which is awesome I wont complain about that because like you said... it's a sandbox MMO it makes the game. So banning someone for cussing when people can lose billions within seconds isn't bannable despite hostile actions as infiltration/spying etc. Idk... It just seems funny to me.
It's pretty easy, one is against the rules, one is not against the rules. You get banned for the stuff that is against the rules, and you become a hero to some for those things which aren't against the rules.
As has been said, don't break the rules, and you don't have to worry about what other people are doing. CCP doesn't generally ban you if you haven't broken the rules, so don't follow the herd posting crap in local, and you're fine.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
518
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:38:00 -
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Nystoriel wrote:I happen to be one of those pirate scum that goes around killing pretty much anything that moves unless it's blue of course :3. I dont like to say this either that much but most of the people who live in Low Sec any more unless they are actual pirates are pretty much carebears (sorry derogatory word plz dont report me). FW and the amount of these carebears moving into low sec will start crying and carrying on in local about how you just ripped a ship out of their little fingers which usually results in a few cuss words and posting links in local.
How goes the saying, "Pirates-¦ tears best tears", is that correct?
But anyway, I once heard that the pirate that is truly to be feared is the one that does not need to smacktalk and generally spam faecal matter in local but remains silent... before AND after he gets his job done. I guess that was just a dirty lie. Or perhaps this kind of pirate has just silently gone the way of the Dodo.... Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8550
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:38:00 -
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Blow them up, tackle their pod, enjoy their crying, don't respond and just teleport them to their chosen station. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Tauranon
Weeesearch
215
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:45:00 -
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Nystoriel wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Nystoriel wrote:Okay first and foremost, I'm not sure if this is the right place for this kind of a post. Got it in one Mr Garibaldi... You should always use a support ticket to report suspected exploits. Read further down. I have put in support tickets etc. I still think it's time to try getting support from the community is all.
I'd prefer the game remained inclusive of female players, sub 15yos and people of religion (and any other group of actual people you can think of).
Note this isn't a private FPS game server with 16 slots, only filled with male teenagers who go to the same school, so your standard of comms behavior should reflect that. For all intentional purposes the comms are open, and you have no idea who is on the other end.
Count on many members of the "community" to NOT give a vote of approval. |

Nystoriel
Dissidence Dawn C.L.O.N.E.
1
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:49:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Nystoriel wrote:I happen to be one of those pirate scum that goes around killing pretty much anything that moves unless it's blue of course :3. I dont like to say this either that much but most of the people who live in Low Sec any more unless they are actual pirates are pretty much carebears (sorry derogatory word plz dont report me). FW and the amount of these carebears moving into low sec will start crying and carrying on in local about how you just ripped a ship out of their little fingers which usually results in a few cuss words and posting links in local. How goes the saying, "Pirates-¦ tears best tears", is that correct? But anyway, I once heard that the pirate that is truly to be feared is the one that does not need to smacktalk and generally spam faecal matter in local but remains silent... before AND after he gets his job done. I guess that was just a dirty lie. Or perhaps this kind of pirate has just silently gone the way of the Dodo....
Thanks for the insults? Say that to pretty much any pirate including those in PL and Hydra... they cuss up a storm in local. But hey... it's easy talking big up in High Sec :)
(Gùú_Gùó)Corpse Collector(Gùú_Gùó)
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
5558
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:52:00 -
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The word EXPLOIT is entirely overused. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3264
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Posted - 2013.08.05 23:21:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:The word EXPLOIT is entirely overused.
"Hax"?  |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15924
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Posted - 2013.08.05 23:27:00 -
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Nystoriel wrote:I think the EULA exploit is the fact that people who cuss themselves or post dirty links themselves report people who kill them on a regular basis just so they get banned. Where's the exploit? Sounds like it's the EULA working as intended. And no, no-one gets banned instantly unless there is grounds for them being banned instantly. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4012
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Posted - 2013.08.05 23:51:00 -
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Posting in a thread about spies reporting people for stuff in fleet chat. Best spies ever. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
870
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Posted - 2013.08.06 00:15:00 -
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+1 to the OP.
Filing petitions because you are mad that you suck at PvP is bad.
Just because somebody drops the f bomb or something doesn't mean they should be punished for it. This isn't hello kitty or league of legends. If some bum is offended by something, they can take their ass move to it a "kid-friendly" game, while transferring all their assets to me.
Offended? Grow a pair. Sticks and stones dummy, something we learned in preschool. |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
143
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Posted - 2013.08.06 00:22:00 -
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I only petition death threats, because profanity laced tears of impotent rage are what helps fuel the New Order. But I also never cuss or even blasphem anyone's religious icon, nor post links to ****. Not because they are against the EULA, but because they are not befitting a gentleman. That said, you don't want to be the nail the ban hammer pounds, don't violate the EULA. Don't bot, don't macro, don't post ****, don't threaten to kill people IRL over some blown up pixels.
Eve chat is so perverse that I would not allow my children to play until they're old enough that they don't have to do what I say any more. Why just a couple of days ago I got to learn about forced copulation of an opening normally excretory in nature in an Eve mail. Even if the average age of an Eve player is over 18, they aren't all adults and I'm glad there is at least some check on totally obscene behavior that could constitute a threatening environment for some players.
So carry on EULA, continue to keep Eve chat/mail's head just above the cesspool instead of in it. I have 5 different chars that I play. This may be my main, or maybe not. I have no idea. |

Nystoriel
Dissidence Dawn C.L.O.N.E.
2
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Posted - 2013.08.06 00:26:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:I only petition death threats, because profanity laced tears of impotent rage are what helps fuel the New Order. But I also never cuss or even blasphem anyone's religious icon, nor post links to ****. Not because they are against the EULA, but because they are not befitting a gentleman. That said, you don't want to be the nail the ban hammer pounds, don't violate the EULA. Don't bot, don't macro, don't post ****, don't threaten to kill people IRL over some blown up pixels. Eve chat is so perverse that I would not allow my children to play until they're old enough that they don't have to do what I say any more. Why just a couple of days ago I got to learn about forced copulation of an opening normally excretory in nature in an Eve mail. Even if the average age of an Eve player is over 18, they aren't all adults and I'm glad there is at least some check on totally obscene behavior that could constitute a threatening environment for some players. So carry on EULA, continue to keep Eve chat/mail's head just above the cesspool instead of in it.
I agree the EULA does good... Dont get me wrong. But like the forums... have a chat filter for those people. I can understand banning for links. But for a few cuss words? Please... (Gùú_Gùó)Corpse Collector(Gùú_Gùó)
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Shey Nabali
The Bastards Shadow Cartel
0
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Posted - 2013.08.06 00:35:00 -
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You don't really have a leg to stand on here. If you break the rules by posting **** in local, you deserve what ever ban you get. I mean, do you honestly expect people whom you just ganked too fight fair?
Now, the null sec fad of using spies too report people in the enemy fleet for posting fleet ****...
That's just WRONG :(. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
739
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Posted - 2013.08.06 00:37:00 -
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Posting in a stealth nerf ISBoxer thread. Eve is Real |

Nystoriel
Dissidence Dawn C.L.O.N.E.
2
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Posted - 2013.08.06 00:39:00 -
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Shey Nabali wrote:You don't really have a leg to stand on here. If you break the rules by posting **** in local, you deserve what ever ban you get. I mean, do you honestly expect people whom you just ganked too fight fair?
Now, the null sec fad of using spies too report people in the enemy fleet for posting fleet ****...
That's just WRONG :(.
According to your logic on swearing ... infiltrating alliances is fair game. Shadow Cartel knows all about that :)
And I personally didn't get banned... People who I enjoy fighting and flying with are getting banned for a few cuss words in local. Again... most MMO's have chat filters for these ppl who can't handle language. Add one case closed.
Links are a whole other story... Should probably keep those out of local. I will agree with that. People cuss everywhere. Whether it be in public when you're walking in a store or what have you. What are you gonna do to them? Report them to the police for having a potty mouth?
(Gùú_Gùó)Corpse Collector(Gùú_Gùó)
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1783
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Posted - 2013.08.06 08:59:00 -
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Nystoriel wrote:Links are a whole other story... Should probably keep those out of local. I will agree with that. People cuss everywhere. Whether it be in public when you're walking in a store or what have you. What are you gonna do to them? Report them to the police for having a potty mouth?
Comparing Apples and oranges here.
swearing in public isn't against the rules -for this, read against the law (well, not where I live, unless you're going for a breach of the peace charge).
Swearing in a chat channel, is against the rules -for this, read against the EULA.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2502
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:23:00 -
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Simple solution: stop talking in local. If your verbal diarrhea is getting you in trouble, put a cork in it.
That goes for the forums too. Get out.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

stoicfaux
3046
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:35:00 -
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"Profanity is the strongest expression of a weak mind." - Mark Twain, or maybe Confucius. Nietzsche?
Anyway, learn to trash talk without resorting to the use of profane/racist/homophobic/misogynistic/etc., language. You will be pleasantly surprised at the results. At a minimum, taking the higher road implicitly makes your opponent look like an immature twit to be pitied instead of reviled while making you look like a cultured, talented, elitist snob, which invokes tears and rage in its own right.
tl;dr - Try trash talking with a British accent.
edit: However, if your opponent is actually British, then it's likely that you have been horribly (and publicly) humiliated before you even realize it.
edit2: F'ing Brits.
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De'Veldrin
Norse'Storm Battle Group Circle-Of-Two
1822
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:44:00 -
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iTT: People confused that CCP enforces the rules they imposed on the game they created.
It's really not that hard: If you break the rules, and you get caught, you get punished. That's how real life works. Never confuse your character's activities (robbing an alliance blind within the allowed game mechanics) with your own actions (broadcasting **** links in a chat channel that might just have someone underage in it).
And for the HTFU crowd - CCP can't support itself on just your subs. So HTFU and realize you're not the only scrubs playing the game. Act like you've been out in public before, ffs. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4042
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:45:00 -
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gfgfgf
fofofofo
goon pets
(linked killmail)
(linked a terrible cat macro) There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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