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hootee	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:00:00 - [1] I have now played eve for over a year with 3 accounts. I consider myself a carebear,as I dont like much PvP. It was earlier possible to run lvl4 missions solo. But it has been made less profitable and more difficult with each patch. You are FORCED to ask for help from other players. And then you most propably get ganked and looted by them. And coveniently this has been made more easy for dishonest players, so that they loose no standing and get no punishment from concord. When I start to discuss this in-game people just say that if I dont like it, then I should not play eve. Mostly these people are with negative security, and obvious way of living is piracy and other PvP. Now I would like to know, if anyone feels like me. Or are the people with the most attitude the ones who make the game how it is, and how it is going to be. The loudest voices are heard, and carebears are only whining about nonsense? Is this game only for pirates? Should I and everyone who feels the same way stop playing? Industry has gone haywire with all paid chinese players doing all the mining. They are paid 5 dollars an hour to play eve. I on the other hand mos pay 45 euros for playing with 3 accos, I must be stupid :)
Jennai	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:02:00 - [2] why don't you join a corp and run missions with trustworthy corpmates instead of asking random retards in local who will probably shoot you? ------- macro hunters - join channel MacroIntel
Antoinette Civari	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:05:00 - [3] Originally by: Jennai why don't you join a corp and run missions with trustworthy corpmates instead of asking random retards in local who will probably shoot you? Same thought went through my head.
MachZERO	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:05:00 - [4] You'll have your ups and downs with eve... One week you'll be in love with it and the next hate some aspect of it. You seem to be in the downward portion of such a cycle. Over time you will find or figure out setups for each mission that tips the ballance of power into your favor. I think one of the devs said that they are looking at each mission that is considered too hard and will consider changes to it if enough ppl come up with ideas that don't make them too easy. Check out the mission section of the forums for that. Keep the faith. --------------------------------------------- "Rang Rang" ---------------------------------------------
Clytamnestra	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:06:00 - [5] Originally by: hootee I have now played eve for over a year with 3 accounts. I consider myself a carebear,as I dont like much PvP. It was earlier possible to run lvl4 missions solo. But it has been made less profitable and more difficult with each patch. You are FORCED to ask for help from other players. And then you most propably get ganked and looted by them. And coveniently this has been made more easy for dishonest players, so that they loose no standing and get no punishment from concord. When I start to discuss this in-game people just say that if I dont like it, then I should not play eve. Mostly these people are with negative security, and obvious way of living is piracy and other PvP. Now I would like to know, if anyone feels like me. Or are the people with the most attitude the ones who make the game how it is, and how it is going to be. The loudest voices are heard, and carebears are only whining about nonsense? Is this game only for pirates? Should I and everyone who feels the same way stop playing? Industry has gone haywire with all paid chinese players doing all the mining. They are paid 5 dollars an hour to play eve. I on the other hand mos pay 45 euros for playing with 3 accos, I must be stupid :) Of course there are people who feel the same way as you, and naturally there are people with opposite view too. You shouldn't feel you need to quit because of it. The game isn't only for pirates. The game is for everyone. It's made free and open-ended in such a way that everyone can, and should, find their own niche in the Eve universe. If you feel you are "stuck", then seek out new ground. Find some people you enjoy playing with and do something else for a while. The best defence against griefers and as*clowns is good friends. It's what the game is about. -- Clyt
Bahnny	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:07:00 - [6] Well being a carebear myself - It does seem especially with the newest patch that they are trying to force everyone into low sec. some of the POS changes reflect this greatly.. especially the new manufacturing "system".. I can't actually do level 4's personally.. but I have a buddy of mine that me and him do L4's together, he doesn't really need me to do them, i'm a miner with a thirst for blood now and then - with a massive 300k sp in gunnery (Go me.) I don't think they are impossible to solo? At least not all of them. Try different agents bud.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:12:00 - [7] You can play EVE solo. I have done L3 and some of the L4 missions solo. I've gone ratting solo. I've done complexes solo. What's your point? Oh wait, it's because you can't do _everything_ solo. That I totally disagree with. You _shouldn't_ ever be able to do everything in EVE solo. And yes, that includes missions. It's a massively multiplayer game. I think a certain amount of content _should_ be soloable. After all, there's not always a corp/alliancemate online, and sometimes you're only logging on for an hour or two. But I still see no problems with L4 missions really needing a team. Nor do I see a problem with running starbases, building outposts, constructing titans, 10/10 complexes, large scale 0.0 mining all being team efforts. -- Lyrus Associates is recruiting
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:19:00 - [8] well he hasnt responded a) join a player corp that runs level 4 missions b) stop asking ppl in low sec local - again corp mates to help c) youre in a NPC corp so ah well i guess u dont get it so just keep playing or cancel youre subscription and can i have youre stuff Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw.
TheNecromancer	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:19:00 - [9] the game is for pirates only... I total agree with you..I also am a carebear..multi accounts..did a lot of mining ones..then some missions..now..nothing seems worth it..in empire space... ALL (if you ask me) of the good stuff comes in 0.4-(pvp area) so..yep..its now ..cs in space
Jennai	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:22:00 - [10] Originally by: TheNecromancer ALL (if you ask me) of the good stuff comes in 0.4-(pvp area) all lowsec ore is less isk per m3 than omber/kernite which are in 0.5-0.6. the only reason to go to lowsec empire is for belt npcing or trade runs. ------- macro hunters - join channel MacroIntel
TheNecromancer	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:24:00 - [11] you forgot that low sec also have Titan,Motherships,POS, rare ores, Special npc respawns,Outpost etc
hootee	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:36:00 - [12] Forcing people to join corporations and start playing team play is ok as such. But what makes it not ok, is that this game favors pirates and cheaters. The result is, that most of players ARE pirates or griefers. And the more you trust people, the more you get cheated. Also , another result is, that the way the game is now is very much appreciated by the pirates and griefers. And that is why it is also defended against any whining from the non-PvP players. I started to play eve with many irl friends that I could trust. Now those players have quit playing, and sold their accounts.
Sanaen Eydanwadh	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:48:00 - [13] Edited by: Sanaen Eydanwadh on 21/12/2005 11:52:20 Originally by: TheNecromancer bah reading that 0.4- systems are "PvP area" and that EVE is Counterstrike in space could usually make me laugh, but right now it's just about to make me into a troll. There's no real PvP Area // Safe-grind area in EVE - IMO there's already too much of such idiotic "security" systems, but that's not the spirit of the game and has never been, and I wish it would be even less. Being ganked or abused or raped or whatever by lamers isn't fun, I can imagine this. But there are a lot of people outside of your deadspace-pockets, most of them are no gankers kiddies. There are a lot of things to do outside of 1.0 lvl4 mission hubs. Low-sec isn't full of ebil griefers with long teeths, PvP has very little to do with CS, EVE isn't a massively PVE single-player game... Baah I'm hopelessly (and uselessly) ranting there, so I'll better shut up I guess... EDIT: " this game favors pirates and cheaters. The result is, that most of players ARE pirates or griefers. And the more you trust people, the more you get cheated. " You really are probably not playing the same game as I do. Seriously. The only "cheaters" I see are isk farmers and macroers, and they're not that many after all; and when I spot pirates, I usually try to organize with some corpmates to hunt them - or at worse, I just avoid them. Seriously, I don't get all these whines, sounds like we play on different servers or I don't know...
Mallikanth	Posted - 2005.12.21 12:21:00 - [14] Edited by: Mallikanth on 21/12/2005 12:21:34 I've been playing for the same time frame Hootee, and although I'm in a corp they are fairly relaxed and a good bunch of people who don't mind me doing "my own thing". I mine quite a bit, do a bit of lone scouting (or intend too soon). No it's not only a game for pirates otherwise they would just attack each other - they need 'us' to be targets (and thats fine by me BTW, 'cos I gotta learn how to fight back when I have too) On the whole I like the solo stuff because of RL time constraints but also the interaction with people (not just corp stuff). If you want a chat, unload you troubles or whatever catch me in-game. In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams
Fooball	Posted - 2005.12.21 12:27:00 - [15] If you can't trust your own corporation, change the corporation.
LWMaverick	Posted - 2005.12.21 12:31:00 - [16] Originally by: Fooball If you can't trust your own corporation, change the corporation. ^^ With great power, comes great responsibility.
x racer	Posted - 2005.12.21 12:43:00 - [17] The developers have said from the first day of level 4 mission introduction there meant to be done by groups. Maybye you should stick to level 3 missions. Kinda makes ya wonder what level 5 missions will be like, does'nt it? Anyone who quits or whines cuz they cant do everything in the game solo should take a half step back and re-evaluate themselves. The second "M" in MMORPG stands for multiplayer. My best times in eve have been in accomplishing a goal that is only possible with the combined resources and capabilities of multiple players. Finishing a 10/10 complex, the bonus level of L4 Angels Extravaganza, setting up and maintaining a POS in 0.0 space, killing POS's in 0.0 space are all examples of things in eve that require multiple players to accomplish. Anyone that insists on playing solo, gives up the right to complain they cant do these things, and is also missing out on a significant part of the game. Best of luck to you in your endeavors. cheers,

Chribba	Posted - 2005.12.21 12:45:00 - [18] Originally by: TheNecromancer ALL (if you ask me) of the good stuff comes in 0.4-(pvp area) I disagree, veld comes in 1.0 as well And on a serious note, solo can acheive alot, very few things cannot be done solo, and as for L4's, even running solo I am pretty sure you got trustworthy friends to rely on there, or maybe I am wrong EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Get Email if thread updates

Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.21 12:50:00 - [19] Try joining a corporation that has access to 0.0 space and kill the rats out there. You'll make more money than from doing missions in high-sec space (which was the point of the rat and mission changes, anyway - to get more people out of Empire). As for me, my security status is 5.0 from NPCing, but I also kill people for fun and profit (though, since I generally fly battleships, my wingmen in interceptors usually get to the can first and get the profit ). I'm not a pirate (I don't kill those who are not our enemies or haven't entered our space without leave), but I do enjoy PvP as well as PvE. Yes, 0.0 is risky, but it's also more rewarding - enough so that you can cover losses as long as you keep an eye on local for any hostile activity and don't get ganked every time you undock. -Wrayeth Go away.
Waga	Posted - 2005.12.21 12:52:00 - [20] OKAY ! Deposive 100 mill take 2 weeks only doing pvp in a low sec or 0.0 tryout find people and fight em - if you still got ships lets, continue a week more. - if your wallet is growing +100m = good after 2weeks changing eve-lifestyle, read your own post here and ask yourself
Don Carn'age	Posted - 2005.12.21 12:54:00 - [21] Eve is a game for everyone if you want to mine you can, if you want to fight you can. You make the game what you want as long as you are having fun. I know lots of people who do not like PvP and that is fine its not there thing. There are no rules that say you must PvP or you must mission run etc. so let people do as they please. If no rules are being broken people can play the game how they want to, they pay the same game fee as you let them enjoy the game as they want. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Jason Kildaro	Posted - 2005.12.21 12:54:00 - [22] I know some people question CCP and their "PvP promoting" ideas but don't think of if as you against the galaxy. PvP is a necessary evil. Without it the market will grind to a halt. Do you really want to mine for hours to put buy orders on the market that don't move for months? Also think of the tension and suspense you get when traveling through low sec space. It gives you more sense of accomplishment when completing a trade run, or when hunting rats. Let's face it, if Level 4's were able to be completed solo and give out more money it would make for a pretty boring game. "Here I go, another day shooting rats that can't even hit me back. What upgrade to I get to my already capable setup?" Don't get discouraged...think about the design of the game. If you need a hand convo me or Eve-mail me in game.
Clytamnestra	Posted - 2005.12.21 12:57:00 - [23] Originally by: hootee Forcing people to join corporations and start playing team play is ok as such. But what makes it not ok, is that this game favors pirates and cheaters. The result is, that most of players ARE pirates or griefers. <snip> Stop right there. This is a baseless assumption. And quite obviously untrue. There are thousand upon thousand of people playing this game, and to say that most of them are griefers and pirates really off the mark. -- Clyt
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.12.21 13:08:00 - [24] Low Sec space is where the fun is at, true there's risk but then theres no game like it for the adrenaline as you enter battle (willingly or not) My first PvP experience (i got ganked by a far superior opponent in lowsec) was a big rush even though i was frantically trying to save myself.. the threat of losing implants is a big death penalty so puts many people off venturing into 0.0 now if the new changes actually worked i think we would see more people taking risks and less "carebareism" Empire is ok for starting out but there is only so much you can do there and mining scordite gets a tad monotonous. Author of "The Apoc Guide"
Queen ZY	Posted - 2005.12.21 13:13:00 - [25] I'm also consider me as a carebear, and yes I must agree with u mostly. and I dont like it not to b able to do lvl 4 missions solo, but I have found good friends in this game wich are sometimes willing to go do lvl 4 missions with me and yes there are lots of ppl out there waiting to kill u and take your loot but in this game like rl there is all kind of peps around, my advise to u is to find good friends, maybe join a corp and just b on the look out for the bad guys have a good game and fly safe. cya around Qz
DB Preacher	Posted - 2005.12.21 13:14:00 - [26] Eve is a massively multiplayer game. Like a fine wine, it is best enjoyed with friends. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL6) Tanto Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Domina Trix	Posted - 2005.12.21 13:15:00 - [27] Level 4 missions were designed from the start to be done by a group so if you can't solo them then I would say they are working as designed. When I started playing the only ship types to choose from were shuttles, indies, frigates, cruisers and battleships. I've had no problems soloing mining, missions, rat hunting and on a couple of occasions pvp. I've even done a few level 4 missions (go me ) Nothing in that time has suggested that EVE is designed for griefers. More like its been designed for adults rather that the rest of the games out there aimed at the masses. The only people I found annoying were can-thieves and only because there was nothing I could do about it. Now there is with the flagging system. As for what type of player is whining check out the modules section, a large portion of the whiners are PvP types wanting so-and-so module/ship nerfed. For smeg's sake there was a thread a while ago with some gate-camper whining that shuttles needed nerfing because they were too hard to hit. Industry gone haywire? In a few systems where the farmers are working then yes it probably is fubar but that doesn't mean the whole economy is. Like those people you have talked to said, if you don't like the game cancel your accounts and find another one.
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2005.12.21 13:20:00 - [28] Edited by: Ethidium Bromide on 21/12/2005 13:21:41 click here when you are done think about it that way: you are not the only one in EVE, i hate some aspects myself but have to accept that i am just 1 individual with a limited sphere of influence in this game. once you start changing thing on the smal scale it works _________________________________ just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean i'm not following!
Gradinger	Posted - 2005.12.21 13:20:00 - [29] eve is for pirates? i cant even ENTER half of the eve-universe... and the greifers there u¦ll find in every game and most times they can be defeated by a brain. about the mission-thing - yea, join a corp..
Roshan longshot	Posted - 2005.12.21 13:21:00 - [30] Op: Not all feel the way you do, nor do alot feel the other way. I can deal either with or without PvP. Just dont have alot of time to do either. Empire based players far out number low sec players. But like most online games that have little or no punishment for breaking the law, empire is also full of griefers. You can play this game solo...but you might as well go find a copy of Elite and play that, or privateer for that matter. This is a team based game, you can join a large corp that supports you mission habit, one that concentrates on minning/production/or pvp; The choice of course is yours. Or you might want to forget about level four missions, and do level three's, level four was ment for team/gang use anyway. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.

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