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Aaronus
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:50:00 -
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Roleplaying would be the fun in it. Most Industrialists run seperate accounts so they usually have a pirate character or pvp character on the side. All of EVE's different professions are fun if you don't pigeon hole yourself into them. Some like roleplaying a Miner or a builder or as a sales specialist or as a trader compared to what thier real lives offer them, no harm in that at all and the game would be broken without them so thank you carebears of EVE.
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Vixa Ambrodel
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Posted - 2005.12.21 18:14:00 -
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 Originally by: tinae
Mining, Trading, Missions just to earn isk and/or Build ships and then what? where is the fun in that?
If you're not gonna fight then why play?
Kill missions involves a lot of figting...
Why be a carebear, why play? Because I can!
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2005.12.21 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: tinae
Mining, Trading, Missions just to earn isk and/or Build ships and then what? where is the fun in that?
If you're not gonna fight then why play?
I do believe most do fight on missions... and even miners have to fight... so whats your point? and why should anyone listen to you? you'd be no where without the market, provided by those that you dispise... go ahead, bite the hand that feeds you... see how far you get if you never used anything from those you describe as 'carebears'.
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2005.12.21 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zuki Ed
What's the fun in fighting? Some people just want to achieve other things then others. If I built a ship I mined myself that feels great, it's a goal you can set for yourself. It's the same as with all other games, I don't like 1st person shooting games but I do like some more tactical stuff like C&C 
ps. I can imagine fighting is fun for some people but I just don't want too.
This game involves faar more tactics than CandC. You've just never left 0.0
Running the logistics of an empire war is incredible, and probably far beyond your RTS head.
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Glassback
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Posted - 2005.12.21 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: tinae
Mining, Trading, Missions just to earn isk and/or Build ships and then what? where is the fun in that?
If you're not gonna fight then why play?
I know some traders who have so much market knowledge and isk they can close down any new operation inside their region.
There is more than one sort of PvP.
G.
I've got an idea--an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I'm talking about
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Vysroi Shankster
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Posted - 2005.12.21 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Macro Slasher
Mommy dropped their as babies on their heads 
This statment is actually untrue on many terms. There is a huge amount of evidence that people who have experienced trauma at an early age (i.e. being dropped as babies) end up being killers (PvP)because of both biological and pyschologial reasons =P
So I guess we are carebears because we were NOT dropped as babies hehe
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Layla
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Posted - 2005.12.21 19:42:00 -
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I get as much fun running the blockades in 0.0 with my haulers as the pvpers do in trying to shoot me. There's a great deal of satisfaction in breezing past 5 or 6 fighters that have been sat camping the gate for a few hours watching for that easy kill.
Of course, sometimes they catch me, but more often not :)
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Karnivore
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Posted - 2005.12.21 19:51:00 -
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Ok so lets just throw this out there and see where it lands...
Security Status 4.6 yeah I know I'm a carebear, so what.
First off RL dictates that I can afford 1 account only and roughly 2-3 hours per day to play.
Second, I will never and I mean NEVER mine a rock in this game ever again, I'd rather watch paint dry or grass grow. so
thats puts building right out the window.
Third, given my whopping "natural" Perception of 3 my options are limited, advanced learns to 4 and a +4 implant gives me a whopping 17 Perception. Now I know some of you are thinking ,"thats not bad whats he crying about?" But as soon as I would join a PvP corp the implants go bye-bye now my Perception is 13 Big FREAKIN DEAL right? Do you have any clue how long it will take me to train gunnery, missile, or ship skills? It would truely be pointless by the time I would have anything trained CCP would release a whole new set of rank 16 skills.
The great thing about EvE is that it's based on time as far as skill training. The down side to Eve is that it's based on time, it takes atleast a year of TIME and MONEY invested in this game before you can actually do anything. Unless you have a few friends in a mega corp that will bank roll you. (Good luck with that.)
Now since June when CCP made it impossible for "most" ppl to do lvl 4 missions solo because they wanted more people to go into low secure space and get into the pvp aspect of this game, and they even added zyd to the roids in .4 systems so pirates whould have some fun. And yes I know there is alway risk with any reward hence excitement factor,yeah I got that. And still not interested.
As far as PvP goes I was interested and decided to join a low sec corp in earily june, the day I joined a war was declared on the corp, and since my friends and I were new to the corp we had no access rights to any hangers (except ammo) for 2 months, and yet we were suppose to go out lose our ships and mods at our own expence, ohh and mine ice for thier POS they had "somewhere" in low sec, however we weren't allowed down there or even actually allowed to enter the POS. (yeah it was a real blast ) after day 2 I was broke and the corp never engaged the enemy at all. So given all the spying and the corp thieves, your basically on your own while you mine ice for thier POS and still try to maintain what you have. Or there is always gate camping, yeah nothing sounds like more fun than sitting at a gate waiting for some shmuck to come through that doesn't have a "friendly" tag or better yet to sit in a sniper boat and pop frigs from 200K. (whippy) And then theres the Fleet battles, I wonder how much fun it can be to be in such a lag fest.
So this leaves me with mission running, hoping that "someday" I will be able to get a Navy BS offer to finally put some isk in my pocket. But since RMR this is impossable, CCP doesn't want you to solo lvl 4 missions and yet there is no way to split LP's with any corpmates that assist you, and since they lowered the bounties for all the rats, now you can run missions all days with your friends and barely make 10 mill.
The only true thing that bothers me about this game is that CCP has been and still is trying to force ppl to play this game the way THEY want it to be played and if they keep it up I think your going to see alot of people leave this game and then you can find out what it will be like to have an empty empire. They still don't get it, they create a game that has multiple prefessions that ppl can get into and thats ok with them as long as we do it in 0.0 space. What they haven't figured out is that in a FREE society we do things the way we want not the way someone dictates.
There are ppl who play this game to make real money on. Linkage
And then there the alt accounts drivng the market down, but god forbid you try to solo a lvl 4.
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Stogee
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Posted - 2005.12.21 20:08:00 -
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Me personally, I like PVP. I just dont like all out PVP (free for all or 0.0 space) I prefer organised PVP like Corporate Wars (Team Death Match).
Havent got to do it yet in Eve but im still looking.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2005.12.21 20:25:00 -
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I find most corp wars to be incredibly lame, generally its one side's mass-logon tactics vs the other side's 500 alt spies and station turtling. 0.0 isnt all that much better, hell half the folks I fly with start flipping out if an upcoming engagement does not involve blob wars and/or gate camping.
More venues for mutually agreed upon pvp would be nice, Im hoping someday ccp will open up the empire border systems to this sort of stuff, somehow (off the gates of course). As it is now Im getting a bit burned out with player combat as it always seems to be either a gankfest or a test to see who can be the most lame. 
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Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Originally by: Wrangler
Well, at least we have forum PvP..
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Gaius Sejanus
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Posted - 2005.12.21 21:22:00 -
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Quote:
Mining, Trading, Missions just to earn isk and/or Build ships and then what? where is the fun in that?
If you're not gonna fight then why play?
Gate camping, blob ganking, jetcan grief play, and then what? Where's the fun in that?
If you're having fun, why fight?
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2005.12.21 23:20:00 -
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Both are necessary.
We need builders, merchants and haulers as much as pirates and security forces.
The game is supposed to let people do both. If you don't want to DO pvp you don't have to, but you must face the danger FROM pvp against you. There must be some loss while mining, hauling, trading, if you lose 1/4 of your profits while carebearing, you are still profiting, just that there is the "business expense" of loss and risk management.
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Zarithas
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Posted - 2005.12.21 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zuki Ed
What's the fun in fighting? Some people just want to achieve other things then others. If I built a ship I mined myself that feels great, it's a goal you can set for yourself. It's the same as with all other games, I don't like 1st person shooting games but I do like some more tactical stuff like C&C
ps. I can imagine fighting is fun for some people but I just don't want too.
Then what do you do with the ship after you build it? ...
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Jennai
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Posted - 2005.12.21 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jennai on 21/12/2005 23:38:23
Originally by: Karnivore
Third, given my whopping "natural" Perception of 3 my options are limited, advanced learns to 4 and a +4 implant gives me a whopping 17 Perception. Now I know some of you are thinking ,"thats not bad whats he crying about?" But as soon as I would join a PvP corp the implants go bye-bye now my Perception is 13 Big FREAKIN DEAL right? Do you have any clue how long it will take me to train gunnery, missile, or ship skills? It would truely be pointless by the time I would have anything trained CCP would release a whole new set of rank 16 skills.
so what if ship/gunnery takes longer? you make up for it with faster training of all the support skills unless you've gimped yourself with stupidly high charisma/willpower.
Originally by: Zarithas
Then what do you do with the ship after you build it? ...
sell it and invest the money into further production? some of us actually find the market dynamics to be interesting and fun.
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Gretek Lal
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Posted - 2005.12.21 23:46:00 -
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What's a "carebear"?
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Brazero
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Posted - 2005.12.21 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jennai
I find EVE economics to be quite interesting, plus I can make money with minimal playtime invested and do fun things like fishing for macro miners while I'm building and selling stuff.
Then try these fishing grounds. Seems like a good place for a major catch.  |
Jennai
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Posted - 2005.12.21 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Brazero
Originally by: Jennai
I find EVE economics to be quite interesting, plus I can make money with minimal playtime invested and do fun things like fishing for macro miners while I'm building and selling stuff.
Then try these fishing grounds. Seems like a good place for a major catch.
where's that, amarr? I've had my hands full with the ones in gallente space, added 60+ to buddylist since patch and got 23 solo kills.
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Rooman Black
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Posted - 2005.12.22 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gretek Lal
What's a "carebear"?
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Vang Vorkain
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Posted - 2005.12.22 01:24:00 -
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yes like others have said! i dont like pvp at all! i like to mine, love to go rat hunting! like chating with some of the friends ive made!
it all comes down to we all pay for this game! why should my play style have to be like yours! its NOT...i dont ask them to take out pvp, i do ask that they make it more of the players choise!
and if pvp was the players choise ccp would see a big booooooooooom in ther groth! lol 20k ****! if they sated that pvp was only going to be in corp wars. they would have a boom of players joining this game!
and ccp is a corp. ther abought makeing money! and the flaging with the cans is just the start! eve is changing for the better!
yes i have had some things to say abought diffrent things in the game. but i will be here im and old E and B player! they will have to kick me oput of the game to make me leave!
but for all this. i think ccp needs to make a more nutral ground becouse this game is not just abought gate ganking, and dumb ass corp wars over this is my space get out or die! things are changing and us carebears are coming out with are guns blazing!
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Jennai
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Posted - 2005.12.22 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Vang Vorkain
and if pvp was the players choise ccp would see a big booooooooooom in ther groth! lol 20k ****! if they sated that pvp was only going to be in corp wars. they would have a boom of players joining this game!
and there would also be a massive number of veterans quitting because they could no longer do what they do now, and many of the new players would quit after a month or two because they don't see anything but yet another pointless carebear grind MMO like nearly every other one on the market.
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Brazero
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Posted - 2005.12.22 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jennai
Originally by: Brazero
Originally by: Jennai
I find EVE economics to be quite interesting, plus I can make money with minimal playtime invested and do fun things like fishing for macro miners while I'm building and selling stuff.
Then try these fishing grounds. Seems like a good place for a major catch.
where's that, amarr? I've had my hands full with the ones in gallente space, added 60+ to buddylist since patch and got 23 solo kills.
Sorry, I forgot that the system name was covered by those nice faces  I was on my way back from the bookshop in Rumida when I saw these guys in Assiad, Tash region. There is another 0.9 system next to Assiad, Nosodnis, where another bunch have been "working" lately. 16 in that group last time I checked. Happy hunting |
Laughlyn Vaughns
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Posted - 2005.12.22 02:26:00 -
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Pirates and carebears is an Supply and Demand thing
Pirates demand us "Carebears" supply 
I started off hammering my industry skills but now i've got my combat upto a reasonable amount so that i can do Lv3 missions for a change from th eindustry side of things, i admit i'm not experienced fighter and if i went into 0.0 on a regular basis i'd get my butt kicked.
My corp used to be based in 0.4 for about 6 months but 2 warring corps moved that way and we thought be best to move elsewhere and have a safer HQ.
I've been into 0.0 couple times before when i've felt brave but in the last few months i've filled my head with Implants which im much happier keeping than losing in PVP.
One day i may change my mind and head over 0.0 way but currently being a Carebear i'm happy and thats the beauty of the game, if u want the easy life then u can have it, if u want constant risk and battles then u can have that too.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.22 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Laughlyn Vaughns
i've filled my head with Implants which im much happier keeping than losing in PVP.
One of the main reason why ppl avoid PvP and get branded by others as Carebears.
PS: I like Carebears and I think it is a "bad" word used by others in EvE.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.12.22 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Karnivore
As far as PvP goes I was interested and decided to join a low sec corp in earily june, the day I joined a war was declared on the corp, and since my friends and I were new to the corp we had no access rights to any hangers (except ammo) for 2 months, and yet we were suppose to go out lose our ships and mods at our own expence, ohh and mine ice for thier POS they had "somewhere" in low sec, however we weren't allowed down there or even actually allowed to enter the POS. (yeah it was a real blast ) after day 2 I was broke and the corp never engaged the enemy at all...
Maybe you have joined the wrong corp? 
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Zuki Ed
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Posted - 2005.12.22 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
This game involves faar more tactics than CandC. You've just never left 0.0
Running the logistics of an empire war is incredible, and probably far beyond your RTS head.
lol I know there's more tactics in EVE as in C&C it was just used as an example .
I've also reviewed my definition of 'carebear' , now I agree with it being someone wanting to do everything without any risks. I personally think that's impossible and I like to take some risks from time to time .
It's just some people, like me, want to play the industrial side of the game. It's also the fact that PVP is very often referred to as being just combat amongst players. I think it's not it's the interaction between real players IMO.
But hey this is my opinion and the way I experience the game, if anyone else wants to play it in another way, that's fine by me, even if they are carebears . If I don't like the game anymore I'll just leave simple as that.
So for the people whining about not liking the game, please leave and find yourself a game you DO like .
Fly safe (or not) and have fun playing
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Zuki Ed
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Posted - 2005.12.22 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zarithas
Then what do you do with the ship after you build it? ...
Like some-one else allready said, sell it and build another, bigger prettier one . Or either fly it to do some mining, hell even some pvp might come to mind . A corpmate of mine is pvp-ing sometimes, I once was mining in a system with him when a pirate he pvp's with sometimes entered the system. It was very fun seeing what they had to say and do to eachother, not rude or anything. But very sophisticated talking to eachother and deciding where to pvp and what to do together, I liked it a lot. But i don't want to fight now. Maybe in a later stadium when I want a change.
All I wanna make clear here is there's more then just fighting in the game and it's a great game just for that reason.
Directed to the person that posted he wanted to choose when to fight and when not to, you can, but you'll have to run and hide it's a risk you take when undocking
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2005.12.22 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: tinae
Mining, Trading, Missions just to earn isk and/or Build ships and then what? where is the fun in that?
If you're not gonna fight then why play?
None of the things mentioned above are carebarish
Please, refresh your vocabulary.
Carebares by Viceroy
I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time
here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I
realized that you're not actually miners, or industrialists. Every
group in this universe instinctively develops a natural
equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you carebears
do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until
every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can
survive is to spread to another area. There is another
organism that follows the same pattern. A virus. Carebears
are a disease, a cancer of EVE. You are a plague, and we
are the cure.
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Dilandil Ma'al
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Posted - 2005.12.22 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Dilandil Ma''al on 22/12/2005 09:30:47
Edited by: Dilandil Ma''al on 22/12/2005 09:29:10
Because I don't want to lose ships.
No it's not because I'm "afraid". Making back losses take time and I don't want to spend too much time in this game. I play maybe an hour or two every couple of days so I can't afford the time to constantly lose ships and equipment.
Maybe when I have more SP and in-game connections that makes getting isk easier, I'll start PVPing. For now, I find PvE good enough.
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Zuki Ed
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Posted - 2005.12.22 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dilandil Ma'al
Edited by: Dilandil Ma''al on 22/12/2005 09:30:47
Edited by: Dilandil Ma''al on 22/12/2005 09:29:10
Because I don't want to lose ships.
No it's not because I'm "afraid". Making back losses take time and I don't want to spend too much time in this game. I play maybe an hour or two every couple of days so I can't afford the time to constantly lose ships and equipment.
Maybe when I have more SP and in-game connections that makes getting isk easier, I'll start PVPing. For now, I find PvE good enough.
Fine by me but you buy ships don't you?
I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!! |
Dilandil Ma'al
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Posted - 2005.12.22 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zuki Ed
Originally by: Dilandil Ma'al
Edited by: Dilandil Ma''al on 22/12/2005 09:30:47
Edited by: Dilandil Ma''al on 22/12/2005 09:29:10
Because I don't want to lose ships.
No it's not because I'm "afraid". Making back losses take time and I don't want to spend too much time in this game. I play maybe an hour or two every couple of days so I can't afford the time to constantly lose ships and equipment.
Maybe when I have more SP and in-game connections that makes getting isk easier, I'll start PVPing. For now, I find PvE good enough.
Fine by me but you buy ships don't you?
Yes of course I buy ships ;) just bought a Retribution which I should be able to use in about a week :)
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