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PhatController
Mum Rider Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:55:00 -
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Looking at trying a few level fours, I have better gunnery skills than missiles, so trying to decide weather I should look at a rokh, or stick with the tried and true raven.
My shield skills are mostly at lvl4 and a couple lvl 5's and cap skills mostly at lvl 4. My gunnery skills are mostly at lvl 4 vs missile skills at mostly lvl 3.
The fits I'm looking at are below:
Raven: 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
"Adaptive Invulnerability Field II" -Mission specific hardeners "Adaptive Invulnerability Field II" "Adaptive Invulnerability Field II" "Adaptive Invulnerability Field II" Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster" "Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier" "Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier"
"Capacitor Flux Coil II" "Capacitor Flux Coil II" "Ballistic Control System II" "Ballistic Control System II" "Ballistic Control System II"
"Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" "Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" "Large Capacitor Control Circuit I"
Cap: 3m 53s DPS 362 @ 144KM Def: 408/565
My first thoughts are I could probably drop some of the CCC's for rigors and an invul for a Target painter?
Rokh:
"350mm Prototype Gauss Gun" "350mm Prototype Gauss Gun" "350mm Prototype Gauss Gun" "350mm Prototype Gauss Gun" "350mm Prototype Gauss Gun" "350mm Prototype Gauss Gun" "350mm Prototype Gauss Gun"
"Adaptive Invulnerability Field II" - Mission specific hardeners "Adaptive Invulnerability Field II" "Adaptive Invulnerability Field II" Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster" "Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier" "Tracking Computer II"
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
"Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" "Large Capacitor Control Circuit I" "Large Capacitor Control Circuit I"
Cap: 2m 18s DPS 390 @ 40+34KM (antimatter) Def: 61/461
My thoguhts are that the Rokh will have a lot more applied dps with all the tracking mods, although a much weaker tank?
Any thoughts appreciated. |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
324
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:26:00 -
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fit a micro jump drive and more gank mods.
that said I'd probably vote for the raven. has a free mid for whatever. [Raven, Le Liang MJD] Signal Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Kinetic Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Large Micro Jump Drive [empty med slot]
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile [empty high slot]
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5
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lilliann3
Itoen Codec Forum
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:16:00 -
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Go with the raven...tracking disruptors will kill you in L4s.... |

Reese Armgo
Solaris Project Border World Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:10:00 -
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lilliann3 wrote:Go with the raven...tracking disruptors will kill you in L4s....
While i agree to go with the Raven. Trackin disruption is only used by Sansha and sometimes Bloodraiders.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
750
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:38:00 -
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Reese Armgo wrote:lilliann3 wrote:Go with the raven...tracking disruptors will kill you in L4s.... While i agree to go with the Raven. Trackin disruption is only used by Sansha and sometimes Bloodraiders.
And was supposed to start effecting missiles some time ago, and will in the future.
Right now the raven is the better boat. When (if ever) CCP gets balancing right, it wont be, as it is 2 notches lower on the totem pole.
Which is why it pays to learn all 4 races, all 5 weapons, armor and shield. Eve is Real |

hellcane
Never Back Down
82
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:41:00 -
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They have stopped talking about TD effecting missiles because they probably realized the enormous task involved in adding missiles to TE/TC(or adding new modules) and then balancing them. |

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1433
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:36:00 -
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Quote:When (if ever) CCP gets balancing right, it wont be, as it is 2 notches lower on the totem pole.
What totem pole? |

PhatController
Mum Rider Alliance
28
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Posted - 2013.08.10 09:18:00 -
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Thinking of going for Scorpion Navy Issue instead, more dps, more tank and probably better applied dps with the extra mids being used for target painters. |

The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.08.10 09:54:00 -
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PhatController wrote:Thinking of going for Scorpion Navy Issue instead, more dps, more tank and probably better applied dps with the extra mids being used for target painters.
3 warhead rigor rigs, 4 ballistics (at least 2 faction). Start from here.
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PhatController
Mum Rider Alliance
30
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Posted - 2013.08.10 14:08:00 -
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The Spod wrote:PhatController wrote:Thinking of going for Scorpion Navy Issue instead, more dps, more tank and probably better applied dps with the extra mids being used for target painters. 3 warhead rigor rigs, 4 ballistics (at least 2 faction). Start from here.
That's the plan, and maybe a drone damage thing in the 5th low. |
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Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two
108
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:40:00 -
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Or you can invest in a navy space potato, drop drones, afk, turn in mission. Rinse repeat. In terms of speed the Naga actually does more DPS than the Rokh which is sad and funny. Depending on the rats you're fighting if they're not serpentis or guristas you can 425mm rail fit a naga, load it with your ammo type of prefered range, and snipe them as they burn towards you. |

PhatController
Mum Rider Alliance
30
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:44:00 -
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Steve Spooner wrote:Or you can invest in a navy space potato, drop drones, afk, turn in mission. Rinse repeat. In terms of speed the Naga actually does more DPS than the Rokh which is sad and funny. Depending on the rats you're fighting if they're not serpentis or guristas you can 425mm rail fit a naga, load it with your ammo type of prefered range, and snipe them as they burn towards you.
Not looking to cross train just atm. I used a naga with my 2nd account in a lvl 3 I was having difficulty with in a drake. The naga just about one shot everything, which were taking 4-5 volleys from the drake. |

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
155
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:55:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Quote:When (if ever) CCP gets balancing right, it wont be, as it is 2 notches lower on the totem pole. What totem pole?
I think he was referring to the old tier system that was used in Eve. The Rokh was the tier 3 battleship while the Raven was tier 1.
As far as what one is better... Go with the Raven unless you just want to fly the Rokh. It is far superior for mission running. |

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1433
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:16:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:Quote:When (if ever) CCP gets balancing right, it wont be, as it is 2 notches lower on the totem pole. What totem pole? I think he was referring to the old tier system that was used in Eve. The Rokh was the tier 3 battleship while the Raven was tier 1.
Raven was never tier 1. Scorpion was tier 1, along with the Dominix, Armageddon, and Typhoon.
Regardless, we're supposed to be moving away from that system in the first place, so it rather makes no sense to say that the Rokh will be two notches better than the Raven when balancing is done. Quite the opposite; when balancing is done all ships are supposed to be more or less equally viable. |

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
155
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:23:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:IIshira wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:Quote:When (if ever) CCP gets balancing right, it wont be, as it is 2 notches lower on the totem pole. What totem pole? I think he was referring to the old tier system that was used in Eve. The Rokh was the tier 3 battleship while the Raven was tier 1. Raven was never tier 1. Scorpion was tier 1, along with the Dominix, Armageddon, and Typhoon. Regardless, we're supposed to be moving away from that system in the first place, so it rather makes no sense to say that the Rokh will be two notches better than the Raven when balancing is done. Quite the opposite; when balancing is done all ships are supposed to be more or less equally viable.
You're right I forgot about the Scorpion... Oh what a nice EWAR ship! I'm not sure what he meant then.
The Rokh might be better than it is now after some buff but right now it kind of sucks for missions.
I think they're trying to make it where different ships do different things so one might be better for a specific purpose like missions but they will all be viable for their purpose. The Rokh was/ is a nice long range PVP sniper ship but it seems overshadowed by the attack battlecruiser class.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1433
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Posted - 2013.08.10 18:38:00 -
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IIshira wrote:The Rokh might be better than it is now after some buff but right now it kind of sucks for missions.
I think they're trying to make it where different ships do different things so one might be better for a specific purpose like missions but they will all be viable for their purpose. The Rokh was/ is a nice long range PVP sniper ship but it seems overshadowed by the attack battlecruiser class.
Yeah, the problem is that the Rokh already got its balance pass along with the rest of the battleship lineup. We're looking at the new, improved Rokh already -- and it still isn't very good in any role that currently exists, PvE or PvP. Grid-breaking heavy sniper with barely enough cap just isn't a niche. Both Gallente rail ships outperform it in missions, ABCs do more for cheaper in sniper gangs -- plus they have mobility. And that's all ignoring the dominance of sentry drones in the first place.
Anyhow, yes, Raven is nice now. Too bad about the Rokh. But as long as on-grid warps and MJDs are a thing I think it's doomed to sit in hangars looking good.
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mama guru
Thundercats The Initiative.
144
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Posted - 2013.08.10 19:55:00 -
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Raven.
More consistant damage at all ranges.
Faster and more agile.
Can cover all 4 damage types, with higher DPS than a rail Rokh.
7 Midslots.
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EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
2047
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:32:00 -
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Rokh doesn't have a damage bonus.
I prefer Raven Navy Issue as it has higher DPS than a Raven. I've never understood the attraction of a Scorpion Navy issue: same gank as a plain Raven, but with more tank... tank that you don't need for missions.
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Aleph Mersenne
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.08.12 15:44:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Rokh doesn't have a damage bonus.
I prefer Raven Navy Issue as it has higher DPS than a Raven. I've never understood the attraction of a Scorpion Navy issue: same gank as a plain Raven, but with more tank... tank that you don't need for missions.
The SNI has its uses. Its gank is slightly better than a standard Raven as you can fit four BCUs without sacrificing tank, and it can better apply it's damage to small targets as you can put two rigors and a flare in the rig slots instead of capacitor control circuits. It can also lock at greater ranges even without using a sensor booster.
Its tank is great for a lower SP mission runner. Even with middling skills it can run every L4 without issue, and you don't need to panic if you accidentally aggro an entire room.
I'll be upgrading to an RNI at some point, but right now the SNI fits my needs perfectly. |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
2051
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:51:00 -
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Aleph Mersenne wrote:The SNI has its uses. Its gank is slightly better than a standard Raven as you can fit four BCUs without sacrificing tank, and it can better apply it's damage to small targets as you can put two rigors and a flare in the rig slots instead of capacitor control circuits. It can also lock at greater ranges even without using a sensor booster.
Its tank is great for a lower SP mission runner. Even with middling skills it can run every L4 without issue, and you don't need to panic if you accidentally aggro an entire room.
I'll be upgrading to an RNI at some point, but right now the SNI fits my needs perfectly. For what it is worth, an old post of mine on a beginner Raven, as well has how to upgrade it, and pilot it: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=394780#post394780 |
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Dia Saol
Wit Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:05:00 -
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Aleph Mersenne wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Rokh doesn't have a damage bonus.
I prefer Raven Navy Issue as it has higher DPS than a Raven. I've never understood the attraction of a Scorpion Navy issue: same gank as a plain Raven, but with more tank... tank that you don't need for missions.
The SNI has its uses. Its gank is slightly better than a standard Raven as you can fit four BCUs without sacrificing tank, and it can better apply it's damage to small targets as you can put two rigors and a flare in the rig slots instead of capacitor control circuits. It can also lock at greater ranges even without using a sensor booster. Its tank is great for a lower SP mission runner. Even with middling skills it can run every L4 without issue, and you don't need to panic if you accidentally aggro an entire room. I'll be upgrading to an RNI at some point, but right now the SNI fits my needs perfectly.
... ..... Why would you be fitting CCC rigs or using low slots for anything to do with tank? You can fit 80% of your tank in one slot. Put an MJD in, jump, kill them before they get in range. MJD means you can do angel bonus room while forgetting shield boosters exist.
I also don't see any need for a Scorpion. Obviously RNI has more DPS than a normal Raven but Normal Raven vs SNI you are giving up range for unneeded tank.
I sometimes overtank my RNI so if I'm super lazyfk I can sit in the middle of everything and just click fire occasionally. When actively missioning, a 3-4 slot tank is fine. MJD, 1 Invuln, 1 shield booster, and you can put a boost amp or a second hardener if it's something like raider/sansha hitting your EM weakness.
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Mingja
Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:36:00 -
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Dia Saol wrote:Aleph Mersenne wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Rokh doesn't have a damage bonus.
I prefer Raven Navy Issue as it has higher DPS than a Raven. I've never understood the attraction of a Scorpion Navy issue: same gank as a plain Raven, but with more tank... tank that you don't need for missions.
The SNI has its uses. Its gank is slightly better than a standard Raven as you can fit four BCUs without sacrificing tank, and it can better apply it's damage to small targets as you can put two rigors and a flare in the rig slots instead of capacitor control circuits. It can also lock at greater ranges even without using a sensor booster. Its tank is great for a lower SP mission runner. Even with middling skills it can run every L4 without issue, and you don't need to panic if you accidentally aggro an entire room. I'll be upgrading to an RNI at some point, but right now the SNI fits my needs perfectly. ... ..... Why would you be fitting CCC rigs or using low slots for anything to do with tank? You can fit 80% of your tank in one slot. Put an MJD in, jump, kill them before they get in range. MJD means you can do angel bonus room while forgetting shield boosters exist. I also don't see any need for a Scorpion. Obviously RNI has more DPS than a normal Raven but Normal Raven vs SNI you are giving up range for unneeded tank. I sometimes overtank my RNI so if I'm super lazyfk I can sit in the middle of everything and just click fire occasionally. When actively missioning, a 3-4 slot tank is fine. MJD, 1 Invuln, 1 shield booster, and you can put a boost amp or a second hardener if it's something like raider/sansha hitting your EM weakness.
While I agree with you on overtanking/using a SNI because of the tank:
MJD doesn't do any good for you either - you can't use drones, you can't use tp's and you can't use precision missiles upwards of 111 KM.. yes, you won't need tank if you use it, but the difference between a 4 slot and a 5 slot tank isn't that huge, especially if you can't make use of the mid-slot you gained from using only 4 slots.
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Dia Saol
Wit Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.08.14 00:53:00 -
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Mingja wrote:
While I agree with you on overtanking/using a SNI because of the tank:
MJD doesn't do any good for you either - you can't use drones, you can't use tp's and you can't use precision missiles upwards of 111 KM.. yes, you won't need tank if you use it, but the difference between a 4 slot and a 5 slot tank isn't that huge, especially if you can't make use of the mid-slot you gained from using only 4 slots.
Somewhat true. I can use TPs with MJDs, not to the max range of my missiles/targeting, but close. Optimal + Falloff goes up to 145km. Now obviously in falloff there is a chance it won't land, but it lands far more often than it doesn't since even at 145km its 50% and most of the things I paint after MJD end up in the 80-110 range.
My point regarding the number of slots for tank was more to counter the insane claim made "Its gank is slightly better than a standard Raven as you can fit four BCUs without sacrificing tank" .... suggesting that he would be using something tank related in the lows on a Raven.
Also the idea of using CCC rigs over rigor/flare rigs. 5-6 slot tank is fine, but why would you ever use CCCs on Raven/SNI/RNI or any missile ship. With range you shouldn't need to be using a booster much, meaning you don't have much cap drain. If you say screw range AND have weak tank, use a cap booster, not CCC rigs.
Also As far as TP/Precision, you don't need those for battleships, or really battlecruisers. MJD, target those first and by that time the faster ships (frigs/cruisers) will be closer but still not close enough to hit you.
I don't MJD every mission, most require such little tank anyway, but I also have almost maxed missile and shield skills (compensations to 4 and cruise spec to 4, everything else 5). Someone with less tank and gank might use it more often. It really doesn't have much effect on dps. I don't use drones for anything but frigs, if they get close enough, which isn't very often even when I don't MJD. Lights don't do enough damage to matter to anything bigger, and mediums get shot too much while also barely doing anything (max drone skills as well). The only thing that a MJD really effects is that you have to volley count, since it doesn't hit until after the next volley has started. |

The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.08.15 07:48:00 -
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SNI has its benefit for low SP players. You can skimp on training int-mem support until you have high missile skills. A MJD fit accomplishes the same realistically.
Precision missiles should not be used IMHO. The reload time is just not worth it compared to blapping away with TP's.
The biggest benefit of MJD comes with sentries. MJD range allows blapping stuff on direct approach, sweet spot for killing frigs with the 3 sentries. This leaves the sentries time on BS targets. |
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