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Mira Finoso
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Posted - 2003.08.19 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: Mira Finoso on 19/08/2003 21:28:56
It's funny, some folks on this forum are comparing what's happened here to the real world... The whole reason we play this game is to sort of "live in a different world". Right? But if you must treat it with real world morals, here's what should happen... Someone at TTI should get "fired". Nuff said. If a member of Microsoft Corporation made a mistake such as this, Microsoft would can that person and keep on trucking... they would not go after the person/organization who benefited from the deal that went sour based on their own actions. Am I wrong?
On a side note... JAMES. If I were you, I'd contact a gent by the name of Morbor in-game. He can help you put some of that well deserved lotto to work for you... Never worry about isk again. A straight shootin investment banker he is... and I'll vouche for him time and time again. Congrats on the winnings!! Now INVEST INVEST INVEST!
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edudtset
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Posted - 2003.08.19 21:44:00 -
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please stop bringing tehels post into this. That was a hypothetical statement with no value and yet everyone is trying to make it sound like TTI policy
so bring rl crap to the game ie u.s. legal system becouse some one posted crap about your corp is not tti's policy? seems there has been a change or maybe not and tti is full of it
tti doesnt produce minner 2's ..well is it posible one of tti's members created an alt to do just this ...? naw tti is up front people
going to war becouse you screwed up thats quality people and the kind i would want to deal with uhuh
you wonder why people dislike your corp and flame you ?
the abouve practices are good enuff reason in my book
lets not throw in the your jov friends unbalancing the game with you guys and you & them not fessing up to it
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I just find laughable that, despite all the big talk, they end their "careers" in such a way. oO |
Kristopher Michael
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Posted - 2003.08.19 21:46:00 -
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Hmm you know... that would explain last ngiht when i sold my trit for 1 isk that the warning popped up saying that I was placing a sale order for trit for to low, it's average was 1219 isk a unit....
Hehe,
=Kristopher Michael=
-Merlin Pilot Extrodinaire-
"I wish we had a snapshot of Kristopher Michael shooting Shollos in the back of his Scorpion with a merlin, i think he did nearly Six Hundred Damage to him" -Rabid Kristopher Michael Fan- |
Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.19 22:12:00 -
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"keep the money and report them for griefing if they wage war with your corporation. It was their mistake and if they wage war on you for it then that is not acceptable. That is against the TOS of the game and qualifies a griefing and it is a ban-able offense."
Holy Crap. Aras has to be one of the single most unbelievably stupid people playing this game.
He takes the meaning of 'carebear' to a whole new level.
I am truly amazed by the mind numbing stupidity that would classify a CORPORATION WAR as greifing.
It makes the people who say that the only PvP CCP intended was corporation wars look like brilliant by comparison.
You don't need *any* reason to declare a corporation war against someone. And it's not greifing at all - it's *deliberately* put in place by CCP. Corporation wars are *intended* to resolve disputes like this.
I would say a corporation war is an IDEAL solution to this whole situation. This is the *exact* kind of situation in which a corporation war would shine! They are disputing over some resources - they both want it, and they both have some claim to it. Enter the corporation war.
Remember that 100 million is worth around $400-500 US dollars in real money. I think that's a large enough sum to declare war on another corporation for. But then, I would happily declare war on another corporation simply because I disliked them. ;) But this is an actual valid reason.
I know this is not real life, and so I'm not trying to say that the guy who wound up with the 100 million is doing something morally wrong, but imagine this : You are buying something at a store, and the cashier accidentally counts out a stack of 7 1000 dollar bills intead of 7 1 dollar bills when giving you your change back. You grab the money and run. I think the store would be very desiourous of getting it's money back and would have a fairly good chance to do so under the current legal systems.
Translated to in game - TTi has every right to declare war on this fellows corporation unless the money is returned.
Myself, I think I would have returned the money but demanded a level 1 battleship in exchange.
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Jaleena Maraa
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Posted - 2003.08.19 23:17:00 -
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HAHA *points finger*
hmm must have been a real big muckup on TTI side, but deal is deal, if you type wrong.....
Keep the money and put it to good use hehe.
TTi wanting to wage war on you, would be fun, but i cant see any rp reason for it.....
You sold us 1 Tritanium for 100mil, you.....
Hihi, they can wage war all they want
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Lady Antares
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Posted - 2003.08.20 00:07:00 -
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Homo Erectus,
Perhaps you would find this website useful.
http://www.say-it-in-english.com/
It might be considered "S.M.E.R.T." of you to use spellcheck?
Lady Antares
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nails
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Posted - 2003.08.20 00:26:00 -
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If TTi believe that this is Roark's problem, and TTi truely does operate by employing seperate and free players. Then TTi will not declair war on VHI for Roarks mistake is this correct?
Or is this more of a TTi will declair war on VHI, but only Roark will be allowed to fire upon James and his corporation members. Roark has made it clear that his threats are not aimed soley at James himself but the corporation he belongs to instead. Even I would like to hear a clear answer to this by someone higher up in the TTi administration.
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http://ota-corps.otaku.jp -- Anime l33t level
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Devil Mann
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Posted - 2003.08.20 02:38:00 -
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Sorry i skipped to this point and stopped reading someposts after page 5 or 6. My point is with Princess Full of ****.
I didnt want to know about your whole real life dealings or listen to your back biting at every character who stuck up for jim hawkings.
Lets face it this was a mistake and how a person reacts to getting 100 million for something thats worth 1. ISK can reflect how they would react in Real life but more than likely wouldnt. Theres so many things to consider. The magnitude of cash in game cant be compared to taking money from an Armored van while people are bleeding. That was wrong to even mention that in this forum This as I recall is a game and nothing more. Jim hawkings got a very big surprise and i think a lot of people might have done the same. Not because of real life values but because of whats happened to them in game. Some people spend hours and hours trying to make money in the game just to fly there own cruiser only to have it snatched away b4 them by a Pking pirate who has "Bad RL values" Stop comparing EVE to RL. Some of us are here for fun. By the way major good luck to Jim Hawkins..think he might need it
PS. sorry if ive repeated anything or tread on other peoples toes. Just Princess annoyed me and Im feeling Tired. dont want to make any mistakes ...
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Damn roid respawns,CTDS,Stuck systems,lost items,stuck in warp,friends list,broken map(insert more here after patch)... |
James Hawkings
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Posted - 2003.08.20 06:27:00 -
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well congrats folks on making this the most read post in the eve forums.
i'm not congratulating on how off topic and werid this thread has gotten........
alrighty, to answer a few questions, yes i did ask for a battleship in return for the money, a 100mil for a scorpion (about 50mil at cost) so a 50% lose but not a total lose. that offer was refused as along with the miner IIs (those things are a topic in their own)
the reason i didn't accept any of the offers roark pushed was because all of them involved him getting back 100% of his money, not most of it, all of it. i didn't like how it sounded to i refused them. plain and simple. yes i know TTI will want to hurt me, and yes they probably will threaten my corp buddies too to make me hand it over. i know that and accept that.
the reason i made this post, was out of want for publicity and support, i felt the need for both so i could have more courage for myself to not fold to TTI, yes your name carries some power being the biggest and richest corp in the game, playing around on your bad side isn't the brightest idea without a back up plan. this thread would of been my back up plan if you guys did come after me right away and often (which you guys havne't yet, very thankful for that) the only thing to do is talk, which i am willing to do, you'll see a message from me roark
~Built Hauler Tough~
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Allaina
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Posted - 2003.08.20 06:46:00 -
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I know this is not real life, and so I'm not trying to say that the guy who wound up with the 100 million is doing something morally wrong, but imagine this : You are buying something at a store, and the cashier accidentally counts out a stack of 7 1000 dollar bills intead of 7 1 dollar bills when giving you your change back. You grab the money and run. I think the store would be very desiourous of getting it's money back and would have a fairly good chance to do so under the current legal systems.
While I agree with your views on carebears and corp wars in general this is yet another RL example which falls flat. This situation would be more like the cash register saying your change is $1000 and the cashier giving it to you and while you are loading your groceries the store manager comes out asking for his money back. You KNOW it was a mistake, we ALL know it was a mistake, but according to the rules you and the grocery store agreed to that $1000 is yours.
Like I said previously it would be very honorable for James to give part of the money back, but he is in no way obligated to. All the parties involved agreed on the rules. We all know this was a mistake, but the cash is James' as are the concequences. It is perfectly within TTI's right to attack his corp with every member on their roster list. THAT too is part of the rules that both parties agreed to.
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Sabahl
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Posted - 2003.08.20 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 20/08/2003 00:13:22
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"I mean, hypothetically, if Taggart "accidentally" supplied M0o with minerals for ships and it was then discovered that M0o were using those ships to kill other players and not go on those deep space mining oeprations they had said the ships would be used for, thereby reducing Taggart's standing in the world of Eve, then Taggart should pay the price for their mistake. No whining. No complaining. Take your medicine and live with it."
I don't deal in hypothetical situations. TTI has many mining and shipbuilding operations. I'm sure many other companies have sold minerals and ships to pirates yet I see no mention of that in your complaint. Perhaps we need everone to release their journals so we can see EVERYONE who has sold everyone stuff on the market? It's probably a pretty long list.
Calladen Nimitz
Ahh well. Lets make it none hypothetical then. I accuse you of supplying pirates with minerals in the full knowledge that those same minerals will be used to manufacture weapons to grief the rest of the Eve playerbase.
I speak of no other corps because you are the only one which was specifically mentioned by M0o when we were in discussion with them. If you know of any other organisations who did the same then feel free to name and sham them, but I am naming and shaming YOU.
It's generally known that you will sell to anyone at the expense of everyone in order to gain a fast ISK. If you take the hits like you hand them out then maybe peopel would have more respect for you.
But then again, maybe not.
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Daan
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Posted - 2003.08.20 12:20:00 -
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James you can also contact morbor ingame, invest the 100mil for a month, keep the profit and return the 100m after it.
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Cookie
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Posted - 2003.08.20 12:26:00 -
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when they buy trit for that price, i can understand why the Miner II is soo expensive.
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marius calgar
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Posted - 2003.08.20 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: marius calgar on 20/08/2003 15:07:22
yo james don't buckle you made the right choice keep the cash and remember "allways count your change as mistakes cannot be rectified after leaving the premises" don't give in to them and if giving back for ship get a megatron or raven or other level 2 ship.
I have one thing to say the days of megacorps dictating demands will come to an end. Also a message to TTI....
I CLAIM THE PURE BLIND REGION FOR ME SO STAY IN VENAL OR I WILL SHOOT ANY OFF YOUR SHIPS OUTSIDE OF VENAL.
You have been warned.
Also above statement of claiming pure blind does not apply to any other players or corps in Eve only TTI and it's lackys.
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Seth Dramore
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Posted - 2003.08.20 16:22:00 -
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ROFLMAO
This is great...I'm laughing so hard my pancreas hurts. Make them spend another million chasing you and your crew around. I own a business and if I give a customer too much change, I'm stupid.
Dude, your gettin a Dell ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!
"I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it." |
Guardian334
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Posted - 2003.08.20 17:07:00 -
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It will cost heap big corp a lot of lost revenue to go after you and your corp. Anyone waging war on you and yours isn't out doing whatever it is TTI is doing when not hanging with the devs. That'll cost them money.
Keep the money.
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Neptunus
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Posted - 2003.08.20 17:29:00 -
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I am sure TTI has a few extra military ships with nothing better to do than run around and blow up ships from this corp that has refused what appears to be a very generous offer.
I would have taken Roark's offer in a second. I have worked with him in the past and he is a very upfront and honest businessman. He enriches everyone around him. This Hawkings character and his corp will make a lot more money in the long run (and be blown up a lot less!) if they do accept the offer.
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Indira Firebrand
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Posted - 2003.08.20 18:22:00 -
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If I were you I would make a 1 man corp and name it "The 100 Million ISK Man" and everytime a TTI member is in the same system as you, Queue up the theme song from "The 6 Million Dollar Man".
Da da da daaa, Da da dada da da dada daaaaa.
And name your ship "The Steve Austin"
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Dandrik
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Posted - 2003.08.20 19:27:00 -
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As for real life I'm a single parent of two wonderful children as well as a copy editor for USA Today.
Who cares!
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I also am an advocate of socialism (socialized medicine for example) and helping the poor.
Princess Akmazara
Amarrian Empire
Sisters of Amarr
(Carol - I'm a real person too)
Sounds more like communism to me. Lets just spread all the wealth and there we would not have any rich or any poor. Then we would all for for the common good. That is last time I check Communism, and we all know where the ended up.
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Sun Wu
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Posted - 2003.08.20 19:36:00 -
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I notice there is a related thread in the bounty forum, I guess I should go and change to one of the combat Battleships just, no hard feelings eh...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=27422
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James Hawkings
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Posted - 2003.08.20 23:01:00 -
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Come one come all, come get the 500mil isk man :)
~Built Hauler Tough~
~Dazed and Confused Currently~ |
MooKids
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Posted - 2003.08.20 23:10:00 -
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Hey James, want to make a business deal? How about I kill you, give your corpse to Roark for the 5 mil and we split the cash 50/50?
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CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Digital Sin
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Posted - 2003.08.20 23:34:00 -
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james, lets head out to your home system, i can front the cash for you clones, we can podkill you 100 times and then each walks away with 250 million isk.
"To be content,to be comfortable, is to be complacent. No one learns anything from pleasure..pain on the other hand is a most efficient instructor" |
MooKids
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Posted - 2003.08.20 23:46:00 -
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Hey, that was my idea first!
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edudtset
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Posted - 2003.08.21 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: edudtset on 21/08/2003 07:37:55
carefull w/ that BS sun we all know how your fleet couldnt hang in empire space, and you had to hire some one else to watch your backside in 0.0 space
all in all id recomend you let some one else go after him
after all the jov's havent handed you guys any tech 2 gun bp's yet have they? err i mean your alts
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I just find laughable that, despite all the big talk, they end their "careers" in such a way. oO |
D'Boss
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Posted - 2003.08.21 17:18:00 -
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All I have to say is that Roark is an idiot. After reading all his crap here, I would never buy one of his ships. Techell seems much more honorable and would have just written it off as a loss rather than making stupid demands (BS for cost - Maybe James can already get one for cost, mineral contract to sell isogen for 56, noxium for around 200? - yeah right, as reward for giving back the money I'll offer you crappy mineral prices). |
Ivellios
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Posted - 2003.08.21 22:23:00 -
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James... bravo mate! My new hero.
Don't give it back or cut any deals. With every passing day taggert proves what I have been saying about them from day one. They are a group of pompus, self righteous, meglomaniacs who's only concern is for their own wallets.
They screwed up not you. They should pay the price for failure not you. If they do somehow summon up the sack to actualy declare war on you and your innocent corpmates, contact me in game. I think you will find that you have more allies in this than you know.
When at last they discover the center of the universe there will be many people who will be dissapointed that they are not it. |
valiare
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Posted - 2003.08.26 20:26:00 -
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i would say u keep 10% finders fee and give them back the 90 mill then id ask for a bs at building price from them
thats seems a bit more fair
*prrrrt who farted?* http://www.jgr-hq.dk/ |
Gushi
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Posted - 2003.08.26 21:35:00 -
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Roark you said it yourself.
"I gave one of my builder contacts about 800 million ISK (my personal money - we do not pool at Taggart) to buy minerals in Korama."
Now you want to hold an entire corp at fault for the actions of one. You sir are a moron. 
But then if I had Isk to burn and made this kind of stupid mistake, it would be my pride that would be hurt not my pocketbook. I would probably make rash decisions too atleast initially. Then I would graps reallity again and realize that by chasing a ghost I'm wasting time and even more Isk. To each his own I guess.
Good luck with your ignorance Roark.
Take what ya kin... Gives nothin back!!!
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Roark
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Posted - 2003.08.27 01:21:00 -
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Thank you for all the costructive and loving comments.
I have announced a new 2 Billion ISK set of mining contracts for the Korama system where my battleship sales are still fast and furious.
You all are welcome to buy Ravens, Scorpions, Apocalypses, and Megathrons some place else for more, but that is your decision. For those that care about their money, see me first. I have around 40 bships in stock and I am ready to move them. Thank you.
Roark - Taggart Transdimensional - www.taggarttd.com |
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