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James Hawkings	Posted - 2003.08.18 07:11:00 - [1] yes believe it or not a big typo on the part of TTI put 100mil in the hands of me, the poor guy who hasn't seen over 3 mil before the incident, so now TTI is made that i don't give it back out right, their deal was i get to buy bs at cost from them if i give back the 100mil. right.......... so i am running :) wish me luck eve ~Built Hauler Tough~ ~Dazed and Confused Currently~
Fides Punica	Posted - 2003.08.18 07:13:00 - [2] Rofl So some TTI dude typo'd 1 100000000 ....? What a ****tard. Enjoy the isk, someone other then TTI deserve it.
General Confusion	Posted - 2003.08.18 07:13:00 - [3] Amusing to say the least... A bit of a muck up on TTi's side, not quite the honest trader on yours. Easy come, easy go... may the best rabbit elude the fox longest! Confusion says: "Pick your nose with impunity, but your enemies with care..."
James Hawkings	Posted - 2003.08.18 07:18:00 - [4] one other thing i need to add. i've also been told by TTI that they will go to war with my corp if i don't hand the money back over. which sucks, why does my corp suffer for their mistake? i'd rather them just hunt me ~Built Hauler Tough~ ~Dazed and Confused Currently~
Luther Pendragon	Posted - 2003.08.18 07:19:00 - [5] Hahaha! I would probably do the same thing. Normal that youd run with the money, and normal that the guys who lost it get ***y. Though I would at least attempt to offer you a better deal than buying a BS at cost ____________________________________ Taggart wants YOU. Join TTi! waves his hand in your face in the jedi way*
General Confusion	Posted - 2003.08.18 07:59:00 - [6] Edited by: General Confusion on 18/08/2003 07:59:53 Hmm, threats are easy. One wonders if TTi actually has a Warring spot left. One wonders even more if they are willing to risk yet another War spot filled to eternity because the targetted corp doesn't wish to surrender. An old proverb about dogs and barking comes to mind... but a wise postman carries some pepper spray anyways. [edit: spelling] Confusion says: "Pick your nose with impunity, but your enemies with care..."
Lieserl	Posted - 2003.08.18 08:24:00 - [7] I don't think you have much to worry about James, TTI couldn't take out a 3 or 4 man/woman corp and were run out of Lonetrek and empire space. I'd ignore empty threats and spend, spend, spend
Angry Sheep	Posted - 2003.08.18 08:34:00 - [8] Run forrest run..... defo keep the money - only because it is very funny It's a Dog eat Dog World out there and I'm wearing Milky Bone underwear
Lucas De'Thal	Posted - 2003.08.18 08:38:00 - [9] just start a new corp with different name. it's worth the 100mil i don't really think it was wrong on your part either. buyer beware as always and always check your prices. TTI just suck it up and move on. besides, i thought they were already maxed out on the amount of wars the could be in. ______________________________________________ Hellmar > sorry for the attitude, playing a n00b character through the current state just left me a bit bitter dev chat: Mar 18, 2004 hellmar> "you lot are just so clever you have a good history for out smarting us :-S " dev chat: Feb 12, 2004
John Zeppe	Posted - 2003.08.18 08:49:00 - [10] HOW did this happen? Don't tell me a TTI guy saw a sell order for 1 trit @ 100 mil and entered "1" in amount-to-buy...

Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.18 08:51:00 - [11] james, there's nothing wrong on your part, keep the money, if tti keep harassing you by sending mail/convo, report it as harassment. if they start a war, just make a new corp, and tell tti screw it.
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.08.18 08:54:00 - [12] lol. Well, one thing for sure... no one can any longer accuse TTi of trying to drive the market prices down into the ground. :s ... btw, i happen to have one unit of Pyerite in my cargo; will happily part with it for just 400 millions, a real bargain. :s
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.18 08:56:00 - [13] Quote: Amusing to say the least... A bit of a muck up on TTi's side, not quite the honest trader on yours. Easy come, easy go... may the best rabbit elude the fox longest! there's nothing to blame james, the only way that might happen is tti set a buy order:100m for 1 tri instead 100m tri for 1isk each. james then fulfill the order. He did the honest trade, why you want to blame him?
NastyLlama	Posted - 2003.08.18 09:19:00 - [14] Very funny story I would give it back, thats coss I'M not into stealing,it was a silly thing to do, I feel sorry for the poor guy who made the error, he cant be very popular ================================================== I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
Lucas De'Thal	Posted - 2003.08.18 09:51:00 - [15] Quote: Very funny story I would give it back, thats coss I'M not into stealing,it was a silly thing to do, I feel sorry for the poor guy who made the error, he cant be very popular i'm sorry what james did can in no way be considered stealing. no tricks or anything. he set his price and somebody whether mistake of not filled it. PERIOD they made a mistake. their fault. it's not up to james to forgive them. keep the money. is they harass u. report them. if your character is not too old. make a new one. he he. ______________________________________________ Hellmar > sorry for the attitude, playing a n00b character through the current state just left me a bit bitter dev chat: Mar 18, 2004 hellmar> "you lot are just so clever you have a good history for out smarting us :-S " dev chat: Feb 12, 2004
TheHornet	Posted - 2003.08.18 09:53:00 - [16] what about a 1%-fee for keeping the money for them
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2003.08.18 10:45:00 - [17] >> they made a mistake. their fault. it's not up to james to forgive them. keep the money. is they harass u. report them. >> I agree with the first part, it's up to the player to decide whether to give it back or not. I would (and have done so in the past) as trust is worth far more than 100M in the long term. Personally I would have offered something real in return, not just the offer to build at cost, but that's TTi for you. On the second part, TTi are well within their rights to attack and kill you and all your corp mates and the members of any corporation you ever join in the future until the money is returned. That isn't harassment, that's you living with the consequences of your actions just as they will have to live with losing 100M. In fact the filing of a harassment petition in that case would in fact be a case of harassment in itself. _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Aodha Khan	Posted - 2003.08.18 11:05:00 - [18] Keep the money and run. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
General Confusion	Posted - 2003.08.18 11:10:00 - [19] Edited by: General Confusion on 18/08/2003 11:12:51 Quote: there's nothing to blame james, the only way that might happen is tti set a buy order:100m for 1 tri instead 100m tri for 1isk each. james then fulfill the order. He did the honest trade, why you want to blame him? My good Sir, am I blaming him? Not at all. Perhaps my stance did not came across as English is not my first language. Someone with, say, an alignment of Lawful-Good, would return the money gained... Lawful-Neutral would for a profit. What I am not saying is that he should return it. I know I wouldn't. Easy are gains Bank account ripens like fruit A fault is not there [ed: alignment explanation] Confusion says: "Pick your nose with impunity, but your enemies with care..."
Nirvy	Posted - 2003.08.18 11:17:00 - [20] Edited by: Nirvy on 18/08/2003 11:18:01 hehe opps :P If TTI offered me somthing tangible, some nice weapons or some Miner II's to sell on or use, i would ahve given it back..but a Bship at cost?? thats just been cheap. If i were you i would negociate something abit better than a cost bship, they know full well you could just start a new char and they would never find out who it was. Mercenary \| The Azath

Hasek	Posted - 2003.08.18 11:42:00 - [21] KEEP IT! and if u feel like spreading the wealth i wouldnt mind a small precentage of it
Hasek	Posted - 2003.08.18 11:42:00 - [22] KEEP IT! and if u feel like spreading the wealth i wouldnt mind a small precentage of it
Shin Dilen	Posted - 2003.08.18 11:44:00 - [23] NICE ONE... hihi Know what i would do... I would bet it all on the Big lottery. And get one hell of a good chance at the 75mil pot that is now. Then i would return the 100mil and keep the 75mil. BUT then you could lose the 100 mil... Easy come easy go.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.18 11:49:00 - [24] Quote: yes believe it or not a big typo on the part of TTI put 100mil in the hands of me, the poor guy who hasn't seen over 3 mil before the incident, so now TTI is made that i don't give it back out right, their deal was i get to buy bs at cost from them if i give back the 100mil. right.......... so i am running :) wish me luck eve You are my hero. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Snidd	Posted - 2003.08.18 11:50:00 - [25] Keep it WTF TTI has Billion BILLION off isk ROFL Best Play off the YEAR
FunGuy	Posted - 2003.08.18 11:54:00 - [26] Quote: NICE ONE... hihi Know what i would do... I would bet it all on the Big lottery. And get one hell of a good chance at the 75mil pot that is now. Then i would return the 100mil and keep the 75mil. BUT then you could lose the 100 mil... Easy come easy go. Surely if you did that you would spend 100mil on tickets and get 75mil for winning? losing 25mil I would guess what happened was instead of putting up a buy order for 1mil trit @ 1 isk, someone put a buy order up for 1 trit @ 1mil isk. This person will proberbly be being punished right now, I had wondered why Ragnar had borrowed all of niwaie's leather whips and other assorted bondage gear :-) Remember In space noone can hear you scream (except the person whipping you) FunGuy Proud to be Xanadu Xanadu T2 BP's
lunaloner	Posted - 2003.08.18 11:57:00 - [27] run james run and TTI i laugh at your stupidity, bunch of monkeys TTI = TIT ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha just get over it, and the person to blame for this is the organ grinder. oh shhhhhhiiiii, i got klingons on my starboard bow. the mrs will kill me.
Shock	Posted - 2003.08.18 11:59:00 - [28] LMAO I think this is one of the funniest things I've ever heard of! A very original scheme of TTi to share the wealth! --- soonÖ
The Editor	Posted - 2003.08.18 12:05:00 - [29] Quote: yes believe it or not a big typo on the part of TTI put 100mil in the hands of me, the poor guy who hasn't seen over 3 mil before the incident, so now TTI is made that i don't give it back out right, their deal was i get to buy bs at cost from them if i give back the 100mil. right.......... so i am running :) wish me luck eve Eve-mail me the full story please James... would make a nice light-hearted addition to the magazine Morkt's Defence Weekly ISK Rewards for solid newsleeds - Confidentiality Guarenteed!
Tehel Necrona	Posted - 2003.08.18 13:24:00 - [30] Ok... byt he look of some of the bonners some of you guys are projecting over this i really would recommend getting laid. Seriously. k. -Necro

Koda	Posted - 2003.08.18 13:49:00 - [31] Suddenly I feel much better about accidentally targeting one of my own drones and having another drone attack and kill it...
Spike Spiegel	Posted - 2003.08.18 14:03:00 - [32] Hehe...it was obvously Tehel who did it....his defensive nature gives it away Dont hate tha playa Tehel, hate tha game Anyway thats enough from me
Zakura	Posted - 2003.08.18 14:15:00 - [33] Well, LOL DONT give it back.. If your char dont got too much TOT. Skill points - creat a new char man!
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.08.18 14:20:00 - [34] I have one question; How much are they paying for Pyerite? Agent Shield
Sphalerite	Posted - 2003.08.18 14:32:00 - [35] Quote: I have one question; How much are they paying for Pyerite? best response yet in this whole silly story. it'd suck if it was my money, but TTi, you guys have to admit, its pretty funny
zoop	Posted - 2003.08.18 14:36:00 - [36] Quote: Ok... byt he look of some of the bonners some of you guys are projecting over this i really would recommend getting laid. Seriously. k. -Necro ahh the classic "get laid"... no.1 in the book 'comebacks for dummies' i love the smell of public humiliation in the morning ---------------------------- My God, it's full of gimps
James Hawkings	Posted - 2003.08.18 14:43:00 - [37] btw, i put a more indepth account of what happened on general forum ~Built Hauler Tough~ ~Dazed and Confused Currently~
Berd	Posted - 2003.08.18 15:04:00 - [38] I think Ahule's post is a wise one. If you keep the money that is all fine and dandy, but expect repercussions. Personally, if it were me, I would give the money back, well, most of it, ummm, errr, all of it. I do not punish people for making errors, generally. :) Note: that I say "personally". That means I am not responding with my TTI hat on.
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.18 15:18:00 - [39] Quote: I think Ahule's post is a wise one. If you keep the money that is all fine and dandy, but expect repercussions. Personally, if it were me, I would give the money back, well, most of it, ummm, errr, all of it. I do not punish people for making errors, generally. :) Note: that I say "personally". That means I am not responding with my TTI hat on. You guys gonna blast him with your sugar daddy GM given Miner IIs? ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
WolfA4	Posted - 2003.08.18 15:24:00 - [40] james dont give them anything back they would be stupid to make even more enemies as it is.

colla tidet	Posted - 2003.08.18 15:32:00 - [41] ... Quote: Suddenly I feel much better about accidentally targeting one of my own drones and having another drone attack and kill it... Lmao koda...let me tell u my story...After dozzing off, i am startled awake for some reason, and i see what i think is the biggest pirate i have ever seen on the screen...after the last drone is back in the bay i realize, the pirate that i thought i saw was really the mouse cursor....talking about not feeling so bad. With all the posts in your favor james, your corp. probably could start a collection fund to help with the war effort (added to the 100mil). "Let us have faith that right makes right, and in that faith let us to the end dare to do our duty as we understand it."
Kaleb	Posted - 2003.08.18 15:34:00 - [42] Its pretty rare when a TTI member does respond with his magical TTI hat on though isn't it?
Guardian334	Posted - 2003.08.18 15:38:00 - [43] Quote: Personally, if it were me, I would give the money back, well, most of it, ummm, errr, all of it. I do not punish people for making errors, generally. :) Okay, here's a deal. TTI gives back the Miner II BPCs they 'found' when the art director lost stuff, and the small fry can give back the .1 BILLION isk. Pot, kettle, here's your new friend, Mister INKY BLACK.
Roark	Posted - 2003.08.18 15:38:00 - [44] Edited by: Roark on 18/08/2003 15:40:59 I take responsibility for the mistake, although it was not technically my fault. I gave one of my builder contacts about 800 million ISK (my personal money - we do not pool at Taggart) to buy minerals in Korama. She put in a buy order for 100 million trit @1 ISK. Obviously, she transposed the two fields, something I have done many times myself (and I am sure you have too, although probably not in this magnitude). I am currently bulding 4 battleships there and selling - the Raven, Apoc, Scorpion, and Megathron (base prices 99mm, 109mm, 69mm, 99mm, respectively). We have many customers that come there because they know I will beat any price they can find. After realizing the mistake, I contacted James and offered both him and his corp many things, trying to be "nice guy". a) Any battleship built at cost (valued at 20-40 million ISK savings for them) b) A big pile of Miner 2s that TTI can get for cheaply via a pricing arrangement c) a near billion ISK mining contract for his corporation in Korama to bring me minerals. I felt that the three above offers were indeed preferable to hostile action, because we prefer to enrich people rather than blow them up, but we are perfectly happy doing either. His corporation, Vector Heavy Industries, is now currently making a decision about their future, to be our friend and share in the wealth of economic partnership or to go another direction entirely. Roark - Taggart Transdimensional - www.taggarttd.com
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.18 15:43:00 - [45] Edited by: Jim Raynor on 18/08/2003 15:44:10 d) play TTI like the fools they are. I would have gone with that one too. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Mitch Taylor	Posted - 2003.08.18 15:43:00 - [46] Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 18/08/2003 15:46:41 Quote: Hahaha! I would probably do the same thing. Normal that youd run with the money, and normal that the guys who lost it get ****y. Though I would at least attempt to offer you a better deal than buying a BS at cost I just had to ask: Did this one slip through your wonderous, make ure no idiots get in, application process? YOU ARE IN TTI YOU SILLY FOOL EDIT: Oh and take TTI for all they are worth, they have the right to ask for the return of the money, but its really stretching it to go to war with some guys corp because YOU made a mistake. Thats just low....mind you, TTI are usually just low.
colla tidet	Posted - 2003.08.18 15:48:00 - [47] Looks like this might get interesting... "Let us have faith that right makes right, and in that faith let us to the end dare to do our duty as we understand it."
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2003.08.18 15:55:00 - [48] You have every right to keep it, theft is a choice. TTI have evry right to extract a measure of war against you, and if that doesnt convince you to return the money, then upon your entire corp. Actions of any corp member must be held responsible back to his corp. I would suggest you work out a solution with TTI, get something worthwhile for returning the money, otherwise 100 million will soon dissapear in lost assets/time if you are added to the VA War list. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347 www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i
Gan Howorth	Posted - 2003.08.18 16:13:00 - [49] Quote: I gave one of my builder contacts about 800 million ISK (my personal money - we do not pool at Taggart)... Given that its "boasty boy's" own whoring petty cash, take it, melt the corp so you are all in College au Noob, and set up another on the other side of the universe when the heat's died down.
Drefsab	Posted - 2003.08.18 16:16:00 - [50] Edited by: Drefsab on 18/08/2003 16:17:55 guys its only 100mil not enought for all this hastle, sure keep it they made a mistake and its their own fault, as for the "we will build you a battleship at cost" offer thats just insulting with 100mil he can go and get and battleship he wants. TTI grow up take responsabilty for your own mistake and move on. Its not exactly like 100mil going to break the corp bank is it. So you goto war, so what if their corp is so new then they may as well disolve and reform or even make new chars and then you will never get your money back. Make them a real offer and settle this like business people. "Death Before Dishonor"

Allaina	Posted - 2003.08.18 16:25:00 - [51] Quote: You have every right to keep it, theft is a choice. And stupidity isn't. Sure 100mil for 1 trit is obviously somebody's mistake, but it isn't the mistake of the person filling the order and calling him a thief is low. He could be a standup guy and work out one of the above deals, but by not doing it he IS NOT a thief. And of course TTI has every right to make life difficult (in game) for the neo-millionaire but they should also realize they are in a VERY weal bargaining position here (he has their money, and he can easily create an alt to give the money and live happily ever after). They should stop the threats and write the whole thing off as a learning experience. So, to sum up my thoughts (lol like anybody cares) 1. Dude should work out one of the deals offered, personally I'd skip the mining one. 2. IF he doesn't TTI should stfu about the whole thing and realize they goofed and it is wholely their fault.
James Hawkings	Posted - 2003.08.18 16:42:00 - [52] i sent roark a eve mail with a deal, we'll see if he accepts it or goes off on how miner IIs cost so much to make ~Built Hauler Tough~ ~Dazed and Confused Currently~
nails	Posted - 2003.08.18 16:42:00 - [53] b) A big pile of Miner 2s that TTI can get for cheaply via a pricing arrangement That sounds like a killer deal. as long as it's a very big stack. I know miner IIs cost nothing to make, so if James demands a large number, don't be cheap skates, and give him what he asks. Conflict over :) ------------------ http://ota-corps.otaku.jp -- Anime l33t level
Rythymmaster	Posted - 2003.08.18 17:10:00 - [54] Go for the miner 2 deal ask for 100 Miners in the exchange....this way everyone is happy
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.08.18 17:15:00 - [55] Edited by: j0sephine on 18/08/2003 17:17:27 "b) A big pile of Miner 2s that TTI can get for cheaply via a pricing arrangement That sounds like a killer deal." ... I like the c) option better, for a miner anyway... you don't have to return the original 100 millions (as 'tis just a modest advance for the billion isk contract in question) and get to sell TTi the minerals till the end of days... :s edit: but seriously, both b) and c) sound like fair ways to resolve things.
Drusilla	Posted - 2003.08.18 17:33:00 - [56] Keep the money. I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm saying it because that's just the way it works. If you put an ad up on Ebay to sell something and got a paypal bid for a million dollars when you only asked for 10, and the person had made a mistake but the money had already been transferred, tough, you don't get a mulligan. If the offer was made and accepted, that's it. don't like the outcome? Change how you do business. Don't submit orders without being sure of what you're doing. Don't blame the person who accepts the offer and get all ****y over your own mistake. Take a little responsibility, drink your sour medicine and move on.
loci	Posted - 2003.08.18 17:34:00 - [57] no rp story? im disappointed ..slightly
Skel	Posted - 2003.08.18 17:36:00 - [58] Sell the money on ebay :)
zoop	Posted - 2003.08.18 17:40:00 - [59] Quote: Sell the money on ebay :) or hire the m0o mob to wipe tti out, much more fun :) ---------------------------- My God, it's full of gimps
Tehel Necrona	Posted - 2003.08.18 18:11:00 - [60] Quote: Quote: Ok... byt he look of some of the bonners some of you guys are projecting over this i really would recommend getting laid. Seriously. k. -Necro ahh the classic "get laid"... no.1 in the book 'comebacks for dummies' i love the smell of public humiliation in the morning Public Humiliation? Firstly i doubt this even happend, secondly if i lost 100mil to a moron and he didn't give it back the last thing i do was tell him to get laid, no indeed i'd be looking for his IP address. -Necro

Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.18 18:20:00 - [61] Quote: You have every right to keep it, theft is a choice. TTI have evry right to extract a measure of war against you, and if that doesnt convince you to return the money, then upon your entire corp. Actions of any corp member must be held responsible back to his corp. I would suggest you work out a solution with TTI, get something worthwhile for returning the money, otherwise 100 million will soon dissapear in lost assets/time if you are added to the VA War list. theft? where? who? when? don't be fool, that's tti's own fault, nobody else to blame. get over it.
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.18 18:21:00 - [62] Quote: Quote: Quote: Ok... byt he look of some of the bonners some of you guys are projecting over this i really would recommend getting laid. Seriously. k. -Necro ahh the classic "get laid"... no.1 in the book 'comebacks for dummies' i love the smell of public humiliation in the morning Public Humiliation? Firstly i doubt this even happend, secondly if i lost 100mil to a moron and he didn't give it back the last thing i do was tell him to get laid, no indeed i'd be looking for his IP address. -Necro who's moron, you tti or the guy fill the order? lmao.......
Drusilla	Posted - 2003.08.18 18:23:00 - [63] Why would you want his IP address? So you could commit some real life mayhem on a guy because YOU were stupid? Grow up.
colla tidet	Posted - 2003.08.18 18:46:00 - [64] You made the mistake public, will u make the offer that u made public? (cause i am curious) "Let us have faith that right makes right, and in that faith let us to the end dare to do our duty as we understand it."
James Hawkings	Posted - 2003.08.18 18:50:00 - [65] rember this is only a game, if you lose in it i doesn't hurt you in rl, hacking people how you are angry at in the game is taking things to far ~Built Hauler Tough~ ~Dazed and Confused Currently~
Scragg	Posted - 2003.08.18 19:12:00 - [66] Have them sell you somethig worth 100 Million to you but maybe not to them. Like a Battleship BP copy or somehting. Win win situation. Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
Barbicane	Posted - 2003.08.18 19:15:00 - [67] I feel sorry for TTI guy who made the mistake with the buy order. All of you who mock him cannot have done much trading on your own. It's very easy to make that kind of mistake (mix up the volume and price fields) if you're tired or in a hurry - I've done it myself several times but with less severe consequences. I would certainly pay back the money. (Well, at least 90% of it ) Next time, I could be the one making a mistake. Actually, if you made such a mistake on the real-world stock market, the money would be repaid since it's obviously a mistake and mistakes happen.
Isomerone	Posted - 2003.08.18 19:24:00 - [68] He's going to loose more than 100 million in ships.
Khyan	Posted - 2003.08.18 19:42:00 - [69] Edited by: Khyan on 18/08/2003 19:44:45 Quote: I think Ahule's post is a wise one. If you keep the money that is all fine and dandy, but expect repercussions. Personally, if it were me, I would give the money back, well, most of it, ummm, errr, all of it. I do not punish people for making errors, generally. :) Note: that I say "personally". That means I am not responding with my TTI hat on. This is just plain rude. So, from what i understand. He sells 1 unit of Trit for 100 million. A guy from you corp buys it. what went wrong, he sells stuff, other people buy stuff. get over it... its a mistake from one of yur guys, mistakes happen. Some people are dumb, some people are not but to be honest; he got the money fair & square so i see no reason why he should give it back. On again, to be honest, i think you guys are rich enough so *****ing about a lousy 100 mil is a bit stupid. Go mine Bistot for 2 days and you have your money back. Keep it James, you just became my personal hero.
colla tidet	Posted - 2003.08.18 19:48:00 - [70] Ok...i will take that as a no. "Let us have faith that right makes right, and in that faith let us to the end dare to do our duty as we understand it."

vixit	Posted - 2003.08.18 19:51:00 - [71] It happend to me also, i sold an imicus for 1isk i mailed the guy that he was lucky. It's the mistake of TTI, keep the money CU in EvE
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.18 19:56:00 - [72] Quote: Edited by: Khyan on 18/08/2003 19:44:45 Quote: I think Ahule's post is a wise one. If you keep the money that is all fine and dandy, but expect repercussions. Personally, if it were me, I would give the money back, well, most of it, ummm, errr, all of it. I do not punish people for making errors, generally. :) Note: that I say "personally". That means I am not responding with my TTI hat on. This is just plain rude. So, from what i understand. He sells 1 unit of Trit for 100 million. A guy from you corp buys it. what went wrong, he sells stuff, other people buy stuff. get over it... its a mistake from one of yur guys, mistakes happen. Some people are dumb, some people are not but to be honest; he got the money fair & square so i see no reason why he should give it back. On again, to be honest, i think you guys are rich enough so *****ing about a lousy 100 mil is a bit stupid. Go mine Bistot for 2 days and you have your money back. Keep it James, you just became my personal hero. not james sell 1 tri for 100m first, that kind of thing will change some people's standing(at lease mine), but the truth is tti set up a buy order of 100mil for 1 tri first, then james saw it and fill the order, there's nothing wrong on james' part.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2003.08.18 20:12:00 - [73] Edited by: MOOstradamus on 18/08/2003 20:16:54 Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha !! What a TIT !! Oh please someone create the EVE TIT Awards - we clearly have a winner !! Quote: I have one question; How much are they paying for Pyerite? @ AGENT SHIELD: FANTASTIC comment !! MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
Gravedancer	Posted - 2003.08.18 20:20:00 - [74] Quote: HOW did this happen? Don't tell me a TTI guy saw a sell order for 1 trit @ 100 mil and entered "1" in amount-to-buy... From what ive heard, instead of putting a buy order for 100,000,000 at 1 isk each, TTI entered a buy order for 1 at 100,000,000 each. simple flip flop of the quantity and price field values.
Hiro Protagonist	Posted - 2003.08.18 20:49:00 - [75] I don't think it was theft to fulfill the order. The guy saw an order and filled it. I would have done the same Clearly the person who placed the order made a mistake. I made a similar mistake myself before, fortunately I caught it before the order went through. If it was me on the lucky side of this, I'd return (most of) the money.
Aras	Posted - 2003.08.18 21:06:00 - [76] keep the money and report them for griefing if they wage war with your corporation. It was their mistake and if they wage war on you for it then that is not acceptable. That is against the TOS of the game and qualifies a griefing and it is a ban-able offense. I'm a flower, watch me blossom... and kill
Mojo JoJo	Posted - 2003.08.18 21:32:00 - [77] i think id repay the money also,if it was anyone other then tti i wouldnt worry about it im sure tti's jovian friends will fix it for them if some corp wants to cheat(by using out of game connections to gain ingame isk) i have no problem with them losing said isk
Xylor	Posted - 2003.08.18 21:58:00 - [78] This happened to me once also selling tritanium. Actually I ended up selling one tritanium for millions. As soon as the trade went through I received a tell from the buyer. He said he couldn't believe he was so stupid but that it was his fault so I should enjoy the cash. I sent the money back since he exhibited such style and I'm sure the millions he would have lost would have been far more painful to him than the 100 million was to TTI. I guess class shines through. If this incident with TTI happened with me and they started out with demands to return the money - I wouldn't give it back either.
p0rn star	Posted - 2003.08.18 22:22:00 - [79] 1 word Gutted!
Princess Akmazara	Posted - 2003.08.19 02:56:00 - [80] Edited by: Princess Akmazara on 19/08/2003 03:04:57 In Character: While I hope you put the money to good use helping the poor of the galaxy I would recommend you read this thread as well: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=26651 Out of Character: Obviously in real life (which is what were dealing with in this case) you have very little character wherein Jack Hayden has alot. Your refusal to help another player remedy an obvious mistake is sad. You obviously care for no one but yourself, are selfish and spiteful in your real life. Consider beyond whoever this person is in game (who gave you the money) and consider instead the time a real person spent earning this money. Considering those things it is clear what a real person should do out of decency. While TTI is a megacorp and ingame roleplaying by myself indicates I am sworn to oppose their greedy ways your obvious joy at "screwing TTI" shows your complete lack of scruples. If it were anyone else would you have posted with such glee? I would hope this person petitions against you. Likewise your real life personality as someone who is happy to take advantage of someone who made a mistake shows just what kind of person you really are. Princess Akmazara Amarrian Empire Truly sad your parents must be proud.

James Hawkings	Posted - 2003.08.19 04:08:00 - [81] hey princess, i got one thing to tell you, its a game. and in the game most of my rl morals don't apply, if it were real life and i made 100mil and bankrupted a company i'd give it back cause this is real people were talking about, but this is a game were playing , rember a game. keep your lectures to yourself please unless somebody askes for them ~Built Hauler Tough~ ~Dazed and Confused Currently~
Princess Akmazara	Posted - 2003.08.19 04:18:00 - [82] Edited by: Princess Akmazara on 19/08/2003 04:20:16 Where a lecture is deserved so be it issued. It is a game yes but the character who did this is a real person. I'm speaking of the real time he put into getting that isk. REAL TIME. You said yourself you had never had over $3million isk so you better then anyone should know just how difficult it can be to make money here. I suppose in real life your one of those people who would see an armored car robbed and grabbed the money while the guards lay bleeding? I mean your real life lack of respect for this other players real time invested clearly indicates which way the wind blows. If your so proud of taking advantage of someones mistake why deny it? Come on be "hauler tough" and just admit that your selfish and don't care about anyone else. Admit you are happy you were able to take advantage of someone and obtain the efforts of their REAL TIME investment. Did you even consider this person may have been tired when they made this mistake because they were spending so much REAL TIME earning that isk? Did you even read the post I provided the link too? Did any of you? All those people were supportive of Jack Hayden and his honesty with a player. I guess everyone here saying "KEEP THE MONEY" is the other side of that coin of humanity. Admit it - Shouldn't be so tough. Princess Akmazara
James Hawkings	Posted - 2003.08.19 05:29:00 - [83] princess , i am drawing hte line, lay off the real life comparisions to this game, i really don't even want to think of what kind of person you are, critizing everybody else, worry about yourself before you come out and blast everybody. everybody puts time in this game, some gain something, and lots more people lose out, i've lost out before, my corp has lost out before, and now TTI lost out once, the richest corp in the game that a lot of people dont' like. everybody loses out some time. do you give the same speech to a pker who blasted you? i mean come off your high horse, your insulting me and your the only person in the game who has ever made me mad, something nobody else has done. so please princess, stop trying to finger me as in the wrong here, and stop accusing me of being a terrible person in rl, i don't want to hear it ~Built Hauler Tough~ ~Dazed and Confused Currently~
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2003.08.19 05:31:00 - [84] James, you rock. Princess, you are an idiot. That is all, thank you. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Mustafa Ken'Yova	Posted - 2003.08.19 05:31:00 - [85] Edited by: Mustafa Ken'Yova on 19/08/2003 05:31:29 lol. and that would be at you, not with you. ......
Princess Akmazara	Posted - 2003.08.19 05:49:00 - [86] Well I think it's clear you could care less about this other person. What I'm saying is as a real person you don't appreciate the time this other person put into earning that isk. While its true people win and lose everyday in Eve this is different. Because he went and made an honest mistake you felt it was fine to take advantage of him. This is nothing like a PK'er or anything else. This is about takin advantage of someone. If your wondering even though this is a game I'm sure people will realize they can't roleplay everything. A persons real personality and convictions will be revealed. Gee I guess that says it all doesn't it. Maybe I've made you mad at me because you know deep down inside I'm right? Princess Akmazara Amarrian Empire Sisters of Amarr
Princess Akmazara	Posted - 2003.08.19 06:04:00 - [87] As for real life I'm a single parent of two wonderful children as well as a copy editor for USA Today. I also am an advocate of socialism (socialized medicine for example) and helping the poor. As you can see my ingame convictions are a reflection of my real life. As for being critical I'm disappointed people feel its alright to take advantage of others. This greed and selfishness is whats wrong with the world today if you hadn't noticed. My criticism isn't so much of you as of the line of thinking your exhibiting. That being it is ok to do this. Princess Akmazara Amarrian Empire Sisters of Amarr (Carol - I'm a real person too)
Hiro Protagonist	Posted - 2003.08.19 06:07:00 - [88] Yoikes! Thank you Princess Akmazara - it is always nice to see people who are able to retain a sense of fair play.
The Wretch	Posted - 2003.08.19 06:43:00 - [89] This thread has grown quite large. Yeah loosing isk in this way sucks. But at least it is "small change" to the person who lost it. Something the majority in this game can not say. The Wretch Cyberdyne Systems CEO
Rhombus	Posted - 2003.08.19 06:48:00 - [90] Edited by: Rhombus on 19/08/2003 06:49:44 Hi all, I agree with to Pricess, though I see how tempting the affair is. This may be a question of high morals (for Pricess) or purely economic attitudes (for James). To my mind, the basic question is: Why did you feel urged to place a thread in here, James? You didn't want to be treated the way you would like to treat TTI and were looking for players giving you relief. So be strong or prove your weakness! You alone will know what kind of guy you are. But don't cry for help in your struggle. Nevertheless, making mistakes is human and so is it to pay for them. This means you can demand some reward. Just be fair. So keep some money (maybe 5%) and give the rest back or apply for a good job at TTI (what may be cool, as you have proven to be a witty guy) and give it all back. To keep it all... no option for me. I would follow Pricess, maybe because I would prefer her to remember me for good roleplaying when I am in need for help.

marius calgar	Posted - 2003.08.19 07:49:00 - [91] maybe TTI the none pirate goody corp can send there Polite collection ****s S.I and kia corp down to sort this out. I don't remember tti saying sorry art directer guy we understand you made mistake so here have that big mining laser back it was only a mistake. Practice what ya preach ya bunch of morons, leave the guy alone you screwed up and ya suffered because of it. As regards your childish comments in this thread so far....it really just shows us all what little babies you are! Well done james and if TTI do declare war on you or your corp and send there little gimp boys from venal down you might find you have more allies than enemies :)
Macumba	Posted - 2003.08.19 09:19:00 - [92] Use the 100mil to pay someone to repeatedly podkill the "princess" for her naivety. Or just keep the money. It's only TTI. "PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf
Kalyessa	Posted - 2003.08.19 09:58:00 - [93] TTI is the Mining 2 laser corp, right? Well, they can just ask CCP to send them a few more Miner BP's along to cover their losses. Irony of the story, those who rip of got ripped off ;) Keep the cash and create an alt if necessary. Kaly
Princess Akmazara	Posted - 2003.08.19 10:02:00 - [94] Edited by: Princess Akmazara on 19/08/2003 10:02:58 My Dear marius , If you hadn't noticed I'm not in TTI. In fact I've been one of their (and most megacorps) most outspoken opponents the last two months. I'm not sticking up for any specific corporation here I'm sticking up for what is right. I would do the same if it was YOUR money and any other person had gotten it and kept it. Corporate affiliation means little to me when compared to right versus wrong. I would challenge this "lucky person" to follow the lesson of Jack Hayden http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=26651 and take care of this person rather then gloat over his mistake. THAT is what I found offensive here. The gloating over it then the other "humans" who found it necessary to egg him on and torment the poor person who made this mistake. They sound like people who stand below a building yelling at a person on a ledge to jump. Same thought train in my opinion. Princess Akmazara Amarrian Empire Sisters of Amarr (Carol)
Princess Akmazara	Posted - 2003.08.19 10:09:00 - [95] Edited by: Princess Akmazara on 19/08/2003 10:09:55 My Dear Kalyessa, I would point out another corporation has the Miner II BP. Techell admitted they have it in a post replying to one of mine. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=25999 "Not to mention we are the only ones offering Miner II's at reasonable rate." As I recall there are two Miner II BP's that the Jovians handed out (according to rumor). We know one is in the hands of OCC already. Now Techell has admitted having one. So what is the story here? You said the "rippers got ripped off". Perhaps you could explain that in relation to what we know about the Miner II? Even if a company did have the Miner II they hardly ripped it off. Ask Techell or OCC how they got theirs? (In character) I would add that while Techell is helping miners and building ships on the cheap they are also monopolizing the market. They are another capitalistic company bent on the destruction of the disenfranchised. They should donate ships to help the poor start out on the right foot. Instead they capitalize on the backs of others. When will it end? Princess Akmazara Amarrian Empire Sisters of Amarr
Princess Akmazara	Posted - 2003.08.19 10:14:00 - [96] My dear Macumba, "Or just keep the money. It's only TTI." What if it was YOUR money and someone else had it? Wouldn't you want them to do the right thing and give it back? Believe me I would be here fighting for YOUR money too. I believe things are either right or wrong. Black and white with no shades of gray. Something isn't "ok" just because you don't like one party. I don't like either of the people in this incident but that doesn't mean I would wish something bad on them like this. Some have said I'm naive. In reality my eyes are wide open. I see exactly the errosion of our real life society mirrored in this game. I see people who probably could care less about anyone else in real life doing the same in here. Truly a sad day for EVE..... not to mention our real humanity. Princess Akmazara Amarrian Empire Sisters of Amarr (Carol)
Deadzone	Posted - 2003.08.19 10:21:00 - [97] Edited by: Deadzone on 19/08/2003 10:22:28 Princess, you can bark about who is right and who is wrong, what is right and what is wrong, since , obviosly, everyone has a different view. The facts are, HOWEVER, someone from TTI put the buy order up for 100mil isk. Wether they wanted to or not, is irrevelant, it was there it was a fact. The person who sold this trit got the amount that it was set at. Wether he knew it or not, is irrevelant, it was a valid transaction from a valid market order. Everyones morals are different, and whatever they may be, this person is no thief as some will say, since there was NO wrong doing by the parties involved. It is totally up to the player what codes he lives by. If he gives the money back or not. It not for you to pass judgement on, nor anyone else here. Everything was a legit transaction. Deal with it, accept it, and move the hell on ...nothing to see here! Vice-Admiral Executive Commanding Officer Military Command Hadead Drive Yards
Macumba	Posted - 2003.08.19 10:24:00 - [98] It's a game. Yes, I'd be ***ed, but would I threaten to hack the guy or get on my moral high horse? No. Hundreds of millions of ISK are lost all the time. It doesn't matter whether it's through dishonesty, stupidity, piracy or just bad luck. Berating the guy because he took the money is no better than claiming every pirate is a 13-year-old or that every female character is a 35-year-old male virgin living in his parent's basement. Distinguish between the game and real life, it helps a lot. Personally I'd keep the money on general principle. Somebody who can't tell the difference between 1 and a hundred shouldn't really be placing orders for the corp. Plus it's TTI who will screw anyone over at any given opportunity anyway. "PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf*
Riddari	Posted - 2003.08.19 10:27:00 - [99] Quote: Yoikes! Thank you Princess Akmazara - it is always nice to see people who are able to retain a sense of fair play. Does threatening to look up peoples IP-address constitute Fair Play? Put Tehel on a leash... his words sink TTI lower and lower ¼©¼ a history
Dragothmar	Posted - 2003.08.19 10:29:00 - [100] If it were my corp it happened to (bear in mind it's not as big as tti!) I'd just pod him to exact revenge and leave it at that. Screw this 'we'll ruin you for all time' BS! That's why so many people are quitting this game, people taking stuff waaaay to seriously and repeatedly podding people. Need I remind anyone at tti that if you eliminate all the little people you won't have any customers left... Wesside? Nah, NOOOORTHSIIIIHEEEEEED in da house!

Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.08.19 10:56:00 - [101] Wow. Interesting thread. I haven't noticed it before and haven't seen anyone from TTI talk about this in IRC. $100m is a ton of isk. Regarding looking up ISP's. We don't condone this activity. In fact just last week we discovered who has been sending us all those nice email viruses since beta. I've turned it over to the telecom and federal police authorities in that country. It seems Sweden has mandatory prison time for that crime. I'll be sure to post an update with a link to a newspaper article when the jerk is arrested. Anyway regarding this issue. I guess I'd give the money back on principle. I don't like the personal tone of the Princess's posts but I understand where she's coming from on a moral level. I've also seen alot of people saying its ok to keep it because it was a TTI member involved. Especially posts like this "Plus it's TTI who will screw anyone over at any given opportunity anyway." and I guess I'm a little curious as to why? Perhaps the person who made this post could give me an example of TTI screwing someone over? You don't even need to forum troll here. Send me an email if you like. I'm really interested. You see I've spent alot of time trying to make things right when TTI members make a mistake. Yet it seems clear people do NOT treat us with the same courtesy. So for that example of TTI screwing people over? I'm waiting? Calladen Nimitz (These views are my own and not those of TTI)
Floa	Posted - 2003.08.19 11:08:00 - [102] Good luck to ya James, well done . If it were me I would have probably gone for one of those deals mentioned earlier, cos I'm a scaredy-cat and don't fancy being hassled for the next year or so of Eve-time, but well done anyway ** Real eyes...realise...real lies. **
Sabahl	Posted - 2003.08.19 11:11:00 - [103] It was an honest mistake, obviously. So what? You make a mistake, you pay the price. I mean, hypothetically, if Taggart "accidentally" supplied M0o with minerals for ships and it was then discovered that M0o were using those ships to kill other players and not go on those deep space mining oeprations they had said the ships would be used for, thereby reducing Taggart's standing in the world of Eve, then Taggart should pay the price for their mistake. No whining. No complaining. Take your medicine and live with it. It's completely up to the person who got the 100 mil ISK as to what they do with the cash. The method I use in these situations is try to work out what the other party would do if the roles were reversed. And I have to say if I was in this particular situation I would take the money, post up to the Market forum that someone in Taggart had made a big, stonking mistake, then settle back and watch the fireworks whilst trying to work out how to spend my cash. Sabahl CEO TerraDyne Syndicate
Jubeli	Posted - 2003.08.19 11:19:00 - [104] TTI did screw up here yes, and no they scream to get it back.. i would too.. a bargain would be best but I hope TTI will take a no for an answer. To bad there isn't any law in space anymore.. You have shown to value profit and only profit (Venal 'incident' is a living proof of that). Only a pirate would condone this as an act of war... so let us sit back and see what TTI does. I am sure the management is discussint it and I do hope an agreement will be reached because the error here is clearly. I would give it back.. 100 miner II? Hmm maybe.. a BP copy? you bet!! Good luck to you both
Georg	Posted - 2003.08.19 11:25:00 - [105] First, to say James has done nothing wrong and has lucked out in a major way. I'm jealous. Second, for those who are trying to bring real life morals into this (especially one in particular): that is totally irrelevant. The world of EVE is not the real life world. Role play a bit and you will see that our moral codes do not apply to EVE. EVE is a society where capitalism has triumphed completely: all our characters were brought up in this society. It is a society where the corporations rule: we've already seen that big and not so big corps can defeat imperial fleets. It's the same mistake made by those who judge the behaviour of, for example, Rome based on modern day moral standards. People act based on the society they live in, and in EVE we live in a money is everything society: James has acted entirely within character to my mind, as have TTI, getting beligerent over something which is at source entirely their fault. EVE is not 21st Century Earth.
Macumba	Posted - 2003.08.19 11:32:00 - [106] Why don't you ask your own corp members about getting screwed over, Calladen? I'm not going to drop anybody from TTI in the **, even if I despise their arrogance, but look a little closer to home if you want an example of people being screwed over. Maybe if they're honest they'll speak up, or maybe they'll just cut their losses and leave the corp. Disgruntled employees speak volumes. Spend a little less time looking down your nose at people and pay a little more attention to your staff. Elitist **s deserve no courtesy. "PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf*
James Hawkings	Posted - 2003.08.19 12:44:00 - [107] christ, princess your still on the attack, take a breather for a while. nobody likes being insulted and being told repeatedly that ther selfish. and there is no connection to behavior in rl and then behavoir in eve. getting the 100mil is not like piracy, its not like stealing. i saw the buy order and i filled it, it wasn't till a little bit after did roark come up and demand hte money back, he did not ask, he did not say please. the deals he overed me were weak. every deal involved him getting back 100% of that 100mil, i got nothing out of it, i overed to buy a scorp of him for 100mil, its a 50mil at cost ship, so he'd only be losing half his money, but thats when he said he tried to be nice and said my corp and i were going to suffer. btw, if people are looking for me on the game , i'm having internet problems right now and i'm logging on to the forums from the libary near me. ~Built Hauler Tough~ ~Dazed and Confused Currently~
Drusilla	Posted - 2003.08.19 14:48:00 - [108] Princess: I like your line of thinking and sense of fair play. Hiro Protagonist: Snow Crash is a great book. Marius Calgar: The name's Marneus Calgar, not Marius Calgar, if you're a 40K player. If you are, drop me a note in-game, Drusilla is the name. :)
Guardian334	Posted - 2003.08.19 15:02:00 - [109] At this point, if he gives the money back I'll hunt him down. Keep it.
Milos Oberonov	Posted - 2003.08.19 15:23:00 - [110] Quote: I also am an advocate of socialism (socialized medicine for example) and helping the poor. As you can see my ingame convictions are a reflection of my real life. So you're saying, when you play checkers you don't jump your opponent's pieces? When you play chess and your opponent makes a dumb move and exposes his queen, you don't take it out? When you own Park Avenue and someone else lands on it, do you subsidize their rent or what? Are you an advocate for Monopoly rent control? That's why the game vs. real life comparison is relevant. If you make mistakes in play, you lose. If you take advantage of others' mistakes in play, you win. And when it's done, you put the game away and go on about your real life. At least, most of us do. "Those who beat their swords into plowshares will one day plow for those who don't." -T. Jefferson

Roark	Posted - 2003.08.19 18:16:00 - [111] Hello all. I believe that people are either confused or they have discounted or misread my earlier statement. The mistake was mine, and I took responsibility. One of my buyers made the technical error and transposed the 100,000,000 and the 1. Now, as opposed to what people have been saying in this thread, TTI has NOT been "Kicking and whining and screaming" for our money back. As I explained, and will explain again, I was very nice and non-confrontational with Mr. Hawkins when this occurred. I offered him a battleship at cost, some miner IIs, and a 800 million ISK mining contract for his corporation. Only upon totally refusing and defying the pleas of his corporation was I forced to threaten action. Our corporation is one that is Caldari based, and it is my understanding that using force to prove an economic point is quite commonplace. I have since been contacted in private by the exectutives from that corporation, with whom I have had some nice conversations. So the few of you that are incorrectly saying that TTI is "whining about losing their money" are completely incorrect. This thread was begun by the recipient who chose to gloat (quite unprofessional) and chose to drag his corporation into the public spotlight. As can be seen, despite all of this nonsense, I have offered something that would bring close to a billion in revenue to his corporation. Roark - Taggart Transdimensional - www.taggarttd.com
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.19 18:47:00 - [112] Quote: Hello all. I believe that people are either confused or they have discounted or misread my earlier statement. The mistake was mine, and I took responsibility. One of my buyers made the technical error and transposed the 100,000,000 and the 1. Now, as opposed to what people have been saying in this thread, TTI has NOT been "Kicking and whining and screaming" for our money back. As I explained, and will explain again, I was very nice and non-confrontational with Mr. Hawkins when this occurred. I offered him a battleship at cost, some miner IIs, and a 800 million ISK mining contract for his corporation. Only upon totally refusing and defying the pleas of his corporation was I forced to threaten action. Our corporation is one that is Caldari based, and it is my understanding that using force to prove an economic point is quite commonplace. I have since been contacted in private by the exectutives from that corporation, with whom I have had some nice conversations. So the few of you that are incorrectly saying that TTI is "whining about losing their money" are completely incorrect. This thread was begun by the recipient who chose to gloat (quite unprofessional) and chose to drag his corporation into the public spotlight. As can be seen, despite all of this nonsense, I have offered something that would bring close to a billion in revenue to his corporation. page 3, last post, end of story.
nails	Posted - 2003.08.19 18:47:00 - [113] From what I've seen James has offered TTi a realistic deal for the money back not once but twice. Since the battleship would not work out, he offered to give the isk back for 100 miner IIs. Everyone here knows that miner IIs cost little more than the miner Is to make. Yet he is telling James that he can only get miner IIs for 3some million each. Does this sound right? It makes it sound like TTi does not even have miner II prints. The next door post to this one is Techell corp advertising miner IIs for 2.5 million even less than what members inside TTi can get. I'm sorry but this just confuses me. Being realistic it would cost TTi maybe 5 million worth of minerals to make a stack of 100 Miner IIs. I also couldn't help but notice that since Roark's last post he has changed official amount of miner IIs he wants to part with. In the first post it was b) A big pile of Miner 2s that TTI can get for cheaply via a pricing arrangement now it's some miner IIs. James picked offer b and asked for 100 miner IIs in trade, I would qualify that as a big pile, but still Roark is refusing. This looks more like a case of "give us the isk back or else" "we will trade you all this stuff for the isk back" "ok here is my offer" "uh now we are going to trade you allot less stuff for the isk back". I'm not bashing anyone, but Roark is confusing the hell out of me. ------------------ http://ota-corps.otaku.jp -- Anime l33t level
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.19 18:53:00 - [114] //Regarding looking up ISP's. We don't condone this activity.// page 3, last post, end of story again
Derek	Posted - 2003.08.19 19:59:00 - [115] please stop bringing tehels post into this. That was a hypothetical statement with no value and yet everyone is trying to make it sound like TTI policy. Tehel woulnt do that he would bring his b-ship to the door and start podkilling james unless he gave the money back. James would have a choice in the matter. Thats just the way tehel is. Please leave him and the rest of TTI out of this as it was between james and roark. The thing here is that James has a choice. Roark has stated that he would rather come to an aggreement than use force but if you lost 100 mill to a small human error would you not use what means you have at your disposal to get it back? Its not the Caldari way ot the TTI way to just let 100 mill slip away without a fight. For gods sake this should be betweem james and roark , it shouln't even be public discussion. James has made his bed and now he can choose whether or not he wants to lie in it. _______________________________________________2005.05.02 03:56:57combatYour Mega Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Sansha's Battletower, wrecking for 1190.5 damage._
Dragon Emperor	Posted - 2003.08.19 20:22:00 - [116] company A paid 100M USD to company B for an item through a valid honest market trade, then think it doesn't worth the money, so start harassing company B to pay back the money, in the mean time, killer X of company A start killing members of Company B, and officer Y of company A said: "leave killer X alone, it's not company A's policy, it's just the way killer X is......"
Roark	Posted - 2003.08.19 20:42:00 - [117] The 100 Miner II deal he offered was terrible. TTI does not produce Miner IIs, but I can buy them for somewhat cheaply because of a pricing arrangement. To give him 100 miner IIs would have cost me between 300 and 400 million ISK, quite a bit more than the 100 mil ISK lost. Roark - Taggart Transdimensional - www.taggarttd.com
Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.08.19 20:58:00 - [118] Macumba, Class warfare is useless. Besides we've never said we're elitest just exclusive. Our membership is varied and we have multi-millionares and truck drivers as members. The one common theme though is a way of thinking. That capitalism is THE way to do business. I only know of two members who have been terminated from our company since beta. As an Executive I was part of the decision process and I support their leaving. Regarding disgruntled employees we have no employees at TTI. All our members are free to start their own businesses and achieve whatever it is THEY want to achieve. It's easy to alledge the type of discontent and dissatisfaction as you have done here. When asked for proof you have provided nothing more then MORE allegations again with no substantiation. If you know of something we should deal with feel free to email me privately. I'm willing to work with everyone but how can you know about a problem when no one is talking about it? So send me an email (which I'll hopefully be able to read when it comes back up) and we'll talk. But posting as your doing has done nothing to support your position as you have not produced any supporting evidence of it. As seen in the "Venal Incident" (Pure Blind) TTI is more then willing to own up to its mistakes, make reparations and move on. We do NOT screw people over. It's been said a satisfied customer will tell one person about good service, a dissatisfied person will tell ten? From all the flaming and trolling going on here you'd think we have a fileroom full of complaints. Actually we've only had three since beta (when I started) and we've dealt with them. One more is outstanding but will be resolved shortly. Calladen Nimitz
Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.08.19 21:01:00 - [119] Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 20/08/2003 00:13:22 Quote: "I mean, hypothetically, if Taggart "accidentally" supplied M0o with minerals for ships and it was then discovered that M0o were using those ships to kill other players and not go on those deep space mining oeprations they had said the ships would be used for, thereby reducing Taggart's standing in the world of Eve, then Taggart should pay the price for their mistake. No whining. No complaining. Take your medicine and live with it." I don't deal in hypothetical situations. TTI has many mining and shipbuilding operations. I'm sure many other companies have sold minerals and ships to pirates yet I see no mention of that in your complaint. Perhaps we need everone to release their journals so we can see EVERYONE who has sold everyone stuff on the market? It's probably a pretty long list. Calladen Nimitz
Homo Erectus	Posted - 2003.08.19 21:07:00 - [120] LOL @ TTI. YOU GUYS ARE SMERT. S M E R T. WAH WAH GIMMIE MY MONEY BACK OR I KILL YUO. roflomfgglmfaoroofle. HOMO I AM SOMEBODY...SOMEBODY WHO SAYS WHAT NO ONE ELSE IN CAREBEAR REALM DARE SAY, YOUR A GREIFER WHO IS A LEGEND IN YOUR OWN MIND! YOU NEED TO WAKE FROM YOUR DILUSION THAT EVERYONE LIKES YOU AND THAT YOUR THE MASTER OF EVE. - fanboy, Q1 2004

Mira Finoso	Posted - 2003.08.19 21:25:00 - [121] Edited by: Mira Finoso on 19/08/2003 21:28:56 It's funny, some folks on this forum are comparing what's happened here to the real world... The whole reason we play this game is to sort of "live in a different world". Right? But if you must treat it with real world morals, here's what should happen... Someone at TTI should get "fired". Nuff said. If a member of Microsoft Corporation made a mistake such as this, Microsoft would can that person and keep on trucking... they would not go after the person/organization who benefited from the deal that went sour based on their own actions. Am I wrong? On a side note... JAMES. If I were you, I'd contact a gent by the name of Morbor in-game. He can help you put some of that well deserved lotto to work for you... Never worry about isk again. A straight shootin investment banker he is... and I'll vouche for him time and time again. Congrats on the winnings!! Now INVEST INVEST INVEST!
edudtset	Posted - 2003.08.19 21:44:00 - [122] please stop bringing tehels post into this. That was a hypothetical statement with no value and yet everyone is trying to make it sound like TTI policy so bring rl crap to the game ie u.s. legal system becouse some one posted crap about your corp is not tti's policy? seems there has been a change or maybe not and tti is full of it tti doesnt produce minner 2's ..well is it posible one of tti's members created an alt to do just this ...? naw tti is up front people going to war becouse you screwed up thats quality people and the kind i would want to deal with uhuh you wonder why people dislike your corp and flame you ? the abouve practices are good enuff reason in my book lets not throw in the your jov friends unbalancing the game with you guys and you & them not fessing up to it ================================================ I just find laughable that, despite all the big talk, they end their "careers" in such a way. oO
Kristopher Michael	Posted - 2003.08.19 21:46:00 - [123] Hmm you know... that would explain last ngiht when i sold my trit for 1 isk that the warning popped up saying that I was placing a sale order for trit for to low, it's average was 1219 isk a unit.... Hehe, =Kristopher Michael= -Merlin Pilot Extrodinaire- "I wish we had a snapshot of Kristopher Michael shooting Shollos in the back of his Scorpion with a merlin, i think he did nearly Six Hundred Damage to him" -Rabid Kristopher Michael Fan-
Ulstan	Posted - 2003.08.19 22:12:00 - [124] "keep the money and report them for griefing if they wage war with your corporation. It was their mistake and if they wage war on you for it then that is not acceptable. That is against the TOS of the game and qualifies a griefing and it is a ban-able offense." Holy Crap. Aras has to be one of the single most unbelievably stupid people playing this game. He takes the meaning of 'carebear' to a whole new level. I am truly amazed by the mind numbing stupidity that would classify a CORPORATION WAR as greifing. It makes the people who say that the only PvP CCP intended was corporation wars look like brilliant by comparison. You don't need any reason to declare a corporation war against someone. And it's not greifing at all - it's deliberately put in place by CCP. Corporation wars are intended to resolve disputes like this. I would say a corporation war is an IDEAL solution to this whole situation. This is the exact kind of situation in which a corporation war would shine! They are disputing over some resources - they both want it, and they both have some claim to it. Enter the corporation war. Remember that 100 million is worth around $400-500 US dollars in real money. I think that's a large enough sum to declare war on another corporation for. But then, I would happily declare war on another corporation simply because I disliked them. ;) But this is an actual valid reason. I know this is not real life, and so I'm not trying to say that the guy who wound up with the 100 million is doing something morally wrong, but imagine this : You are buying something at a store, and the cashier accidentally counts out a stack of 7 1000 dollar bills intead of 7 1 dollar bills when giving you your change back. You grab the money and run. I think the store would be very desiourous of getting it's money back and would have a fairly good chance to do so under the current legal systems. Translated to in game - TTi has every right to declare war on this fellows corporation unless the money is returned. Myself, I think I would have returned the money but demanded a level 1 battleship in exchange.
Jaleena Maraa	Posted - 2003.08.19 23:17:00 - [125] HAHA points finger hmm must have been a real big muckup on TTI side, but deal is deal, if you type wrong..... Keep the money and put it to good use hehe. TTi wanting to wage war on you, would be fun, but i cant see any rp reason for it..... You sold us 1 Tritanium for 100mil, you..... Hihi, they can wage war all they want
Lady Antares	Posted - 2003.08.20 00:07:00 - [126] Homo Erectus, Perhaps you would find this website useful. http://www.say-it-in-english.com/ It might be considered "S.M.E.R.T." of you to use spellcheck? Lady Antares
nails	Posted - 2003.08.20 00:26:00 - [127] If TTi believe that this is Roark's problem, and TTi truely does operate by employing seperate and free players. Then TTi will not declair war on VHI for Roarks mistake is this correct? Or is this more of a TTi will declair war on VHI, but only Roark will be allowed to fire upon James and his corporation members. Roark has made it clear that his threats are not aimed soley at James himself but the corporation he belongs to instead. Even I would like to hear a clear answer to this by someone higher up in the TTi administration. ------------------ http://ota-corps.otaku.jp -- Anime l33t level
Devil Mann	Posted - 2003.08.20 02:38:00 - [128] Sorry i skipped to this point and stopped reading someposts after page 5 or 6. My point is with Princess Full of ****. I didnt want to know about your whole real life dealings or listen to your back biting at every character who stuck up for jim hawkings. Lets face it this was a mistake and how a person reacts to getting 100 million for something thats worth 1. ISK can reflect how they would react in Real life but more than likely wouldnt. Theres so many things to consider. The magnitude of cash in game cant be compared to taking money from an Armored van while people are bleeding. That was wrong to even mention that in this forum This as I recall is a game and nothing more. Jim hawkings got a very big surprise and i think a lot of people might have done the same. Not because of real life values but because of whats happened to them in game. Some people spend hours and hours trying to make money in the game just to fly there own cruiser only to have it snatched away b4 them by a Pking pirate who has "Bad RL values" Stop comparing EVE to RL. Some of us are here for fun. By the way major good luck to Jim Hawkins..think he might need it PS. sorry if ive repeated anything or tread on other peoples toes. Just Princess annoyed me and Im feeling Tired. dont want to make any mistakes ... =============================================== Damn roid respawns,CTDS,Stuck systems,lost items,stuck in warp,friends list,broken map(insert more here after patch)...
James Hawkings	Posted - 2003.08.20 06:27:00 - [129] well congrats folks on making this the most read post in the eve forums. i'm not congratulating on how off topic and werid this thread has gotten........ alrighty, to answer a few questions, yes i did ask for a battleship in return for the money, a 100mil for a scorpion (about 50mil at cost) so a 50% lose but not a total lose. that offer was refused as along with the miner IIs (those things are a topic in their own) the reason i didn't accept any of the offers roark pushed was because all of them involved him getting back 100% of his money, not most of it, all of it. i didn't like how it sounded to i refused them. plain and simple. yes i know TTI will want to hurt me, and yes they probably will threaten my corp buddies too to make me hand it over. i know that and accept that. the reason i made this post, was out of want for publicity and support, i felt the need for both so i could have more courage for myself to not fold to TTI, yes your name carries some power being the biggest and richest corp in the game, playing around on your bad side isn't the brightest idea without a back up plan. this thread would of been my back up plan if you guys did come after me right away and often (which you guys havne't yet, very thankful for that) the only thing to do is talk, which i am willing to do, you'll see a message from me roark ~Built Hauler Tough~ ~Dazed and Confused Currently~
Allaina	Posted - 2003.08.20 06:46:00 - [130] Quote: I know this is not real life, and so I'm not trying to say that the guy who wound up with the 100 million is doing something morally wrong, but imagine this : You are buying something at a store, and the cashier accidentally counts out a stack of 7 1000 dollar bills intead of 7 1 dollar bills when giving you your change back. You grab the money and run. I think the store would be very desiourous of getting it's money back and would have a fairly good chance to do so under the current legal systems. While I agree with your views on carebears and corp wars in general this is yet another RL example which falls flat. This situation would be more like the cash register saying your change is $1000 and the cashier giving it to you and while you are loading your groceries the store manager comes out asking for his money back. You KNOW it was a mistake, we ALL know it was a mistake, but according to the rules you and the grocery store agreed to that $1000 is yours. Like I said previously it would be very honorable for James to give part of the money back, but he is in no way obligated to. All the parties involved agreed on the rules. We all know this was a mistake, but the cash is James' as are the concequences. It is perfectly within TTI's right to attack his corp with every member on their roster list. THAT too is part of the rules that both parties agreed to.

Sabahl	Posted - 2003.08.20 09:06:00 - [131] Quote: Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 20/08/2003 00:13:22 Quote: "I mean, hypothetically, if Taggart "accidentally" supplied M0o with minerals for ships and it was then discovered that M0o were using those ships to kill other players and not go on those deep space mining oeprations they had said the ships would be used for, thereby reducing Taggart's standing in the world of Eve, then Taggart should pay the price for their mistake. No whining. No complaining. Take your medicine and live with it." I don't deal in hypothetical situations. TTI has many mining and shipbuilding operations. I'm sure many other companies have sold minerals and ships to pirates yet I see no mention of that in your complaint. Perhaps we need everone to release their journals so we can see EVERYONE who has sold everyone stuff on the market? It's probably a pretty long list. Calladen Nimitz Ahh well. Lets make it none hypothetical then. I accuse you of supplying pirates with minerals in the full knowledge that those same minerals will be used to manufacture weapons to grief the rest of the Eve playerbase. I speak of no other corps because you are the only one which was specifically mentioned by M0o when we were in discussion with them. If you know of any other organisations who did the same then feel free to name and sham them, but I am naming and shaming YOU. It's generally known that you will sell to anyone at the expense of everyone in order to gain a fast ISK. If you take the hits like you hand them out then maybe peopel would have more respect for you. But then again, maybe not.
Daan	Posted - 2003.08.20 12:20:00 - [132] James you can also contact morbor ingame, invest the 100mil for a month, keep the profit and return the 100m after it.
Cookie	Posted - 2003.08.20 12:26:00 - [133] when they buy trit for that price, i can understand why the Miner II is soo expensive.
marius calgar	Posted - 2003.08.20 15:05:00 - [134] Edited by: marius calgar on 20/08/2003 15:07:22 yo james don't buckle you made the right choice keep the cash and remember "allways count your change as mistakes cannot be rectified after leaving the premises" don't give in to them and if giving back for ship get a megatron or raven or other level 2 ship. I have one thing to say the days of megacorps dictating demands will come to an end. Also a message to TTI.... I CLAIM THE PURE BLIND REGION FOR ME SO STAY IN VENAL OR I WILL SHOOT ANY OFF YOUR SHIPS OUTSIDE OF VENAL. You have been warned. Also above statement of claiming pure blind does not apply to any other players or corps in Eve only TTI and it's lackys.
Seth Dramore	Posted - 2003.08.20 16:22:00 - [135] ROFLMAO This is great...I'm laughing so hard my pancreas hurts. Make them spend another million chasing you and your crew around. I own a business and if I give a customer too much change, I'm stupid. Dude, your gettin a Dell ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! "I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it."
Guardian334	Posted - 2003.08.20 17:07:00 - [136] It will cost heap big corp a lot of lost revenue to go after you and your corp. Anyone waging war on you and yours isn't out doing whatever it is TTI is doing when not hanging with the devs. That'll cost them money. Keep the money.
Neptunus	Posted - 2003.08.20 17:29:00 - [137] I am sure TTI has a few extra military ships with nothing better to do than run around and blow up ships from this corp that has refused what appears to be a very generous offer. I would have taken Roark's offer in a second. I have worked with him in the past and he is a very upfront and honest businessman. He enriches everyone around him. This Hawkings character and his corp will make a lot more money in the long run (and be blown up a lot less!) if they do accept the offer.
Indira Firebrand	Posted - 2003.08.20 18:22:00 - [138] If I were you I would make a 1 man corp and name it "The 100 Million ISK Man" and everytime a TTI member is in the same system as you, Queue up the theme song from "The 6 Million Dollar Man". Da da da daaa, Da da dada da da dada daaaaa. And name your ship "The Steve Austin"
Dandrik	Posted - 2003.08.20 19:27:00 - [139] Quote: As for real life I'm a single parent of two wonderful children as well as a copy editor for USA Today. Who cares! Quote: I also am an advocate of socialism (socialized medicine for example) and helping the poor. Princess Akmazara Amarrian Empire Sisters of Amarr (Carol - I'm a real person too) Sounds more like communism to me. Lets just spread all the wealth and there we would not have any rich or any poor. Then we would all for for the common good. That is last time I check Communism, and we all know where the ended up.
Sun Wu	Posted - 2003.08.20 19:36:00 - [140] I notice there is a related thread in the bounty forum, I guess I should go and change to one of the combat Battleships just, no hard feelings eh... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=27422 ________________________________

James Hawkings	Posted - 2003.08.20 23:01:00 - [141] Come one come all, come get the 500mil isk man :) ~Built Hauler Tough~ ~Dazed and Confused Currently~
MooKids	Posted - 2003.08.20 23:10:00 - [142] Hey James, want to make a business deal? How about I kill you, give your corpse to Roark for the 5 mil and we split the cash 50/50? -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Digital Sin	Posted - 2003.08.20 23:34:00 - [143] james, lets head out to your home system, i can front the cash for you clones, we can podkill you 100 times and then each walks away with 250 million isk. "To be content,to be comfortable, is to be complacent. No one learns anything from pleasure..pain on the other hand is a most efficient instructor"
MooKids	Posted - 2003.08.20 23:46:00 - [144] Hey, that was my idea first! -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
edudtset	Posted - 2003.08.21 07:29:00 - [145] Edited by: edudtset on 21/08/2003 07:37:55 carefull w/ that BS sun we all know how your fleet couldnt hang in empire space, and you had to hire some one else to watch your backside in 0.0 space all in all id recomend you let some one else go after him after all the jov's havent handed you guys any tech 2 gun bp's yet have they? err i mean your alts ================================================ I just find laughable that, despite all the big talk, they end their "careers" in such a way. oO
D'Boss	Posted - 2003.08.21 17:18:00 - [146] All I have to say is that Roark is an idiot. After reading all his crap here, I would never buy one of his ships. Techell seems much more honorable and would have just written it off as a loss rather than making stupid demands (BS for cost - Maybe James can already get one for cost, mineral contract to sell isogen for 56, noxium for around 200? - yeah right, as reward for giving back the money I'll offer you crappy mineral prices).
Ivellios	Posted - 2003.08.21 22:23:00 - [147] James... bravo mate! My new hero. Don't give it back or cut any deals. With every passing day taggert proves what I have been saying about them from day one. They are a group of pompus, self righteous, meglomaniacs who's only concern is for their own wallets. They screwed up not you. They should pay the price for failure not you. If they do somehow summon up the sack to actualy declare war on you and your innocent corpmates, contact me in game. I think you will find that you have more allies in this than you know. When at last they discover the center of the universe there will be many people who will be dissapointed that they are not it.
valiare	Posted - 2003.08.26 20:26:00 - [148] i would say u keep 10% finders fee and give them back the 90 mill then id ask for a bs at building price from them thats seems a bit more fair prrrrt who farted? http://www.jgr-hq.dk/
Gushi	Posted - 2003.08.26 21:35:00 - [149] Roark you said it yourself. "I gave one of my builder contacts about 800 million ISK (my personal money - we do not pool at Taggart) to buy minerals in Korama." Now you want to hold an entire corp at fault for the actions of one. You sir are a moron. But then if I had Isk to burn and made this kind of stupid mistake, it would be my pride that would be hurt not my pocketbook. I would probably make rash decisions too atleast initially. Then I would graps reallity again and realize that by chasing a ghost I'm wasting time and even more Isk. To each his own I guess. Good luck with your ignorance Roark. Take what ya kin... Gives nothin back!!!
Roark	Posted - 2003.08.27 01:21:00 - [150] Thank you for all the costructive and loving comments. I have announced a new 2 Billion ISK set of mining contracts for the Korama system where my battleship sales are still fast and furious. You all are welcome to buy Ravens, Scorpions, Apocalypses, and Megathrons some place else for more, but that is your decision. For those that care about their money, see me first. I have around 40 bships in stock and I am ready to move them. Thank you. Roark - Taggart Transdimensional - www.taggarttd.com

Serge	Posted - 2003.08.27 11:46:00 - [151] I can¦t believe this! Someone gets laid by the not-so-perfect gamemechanics (jep!! try offtake the buyorder ...) and an infantile kiddy that takes advantage of it = hero? Hey ppl - did you loose all common sense of manners? I know its a game but this is getting ridiculous. I¦m a "good" guy and I¦d have given back the money but I¦d talked with Roark and tried to setup a good deal instead of beeing a total ashole and make war with them but still beeing a noob LOL!! ********************************************** ... "we suddenly have a good 2 dozen Chicken Littles running about proclaiming tha
Berged	Posted - 2003.08.27 11:57:00 - [152] Edited by: Berged on 27/08/2003 12:02:25 Edited by: Berged on 27/08/2003 12:01:38 To be honest the only person so far who I think looks like a n00b is you from talking like that, it takes an entire two seconds to press a few extra keys, this isnt a text message, try some correct english please. To be honest I dont want a flame war, whats happened has happened now and nothings come of it, can we drop it, TTI is running a good buisness and good luck to them.
Vilar Solamnus	Posted - 2003.08.27 12:14:00 - [153] Just as a side note, im selling mineral level 5 blueprint copies for all the ships Roark is selling, plus some.If anyone wants a REALLY good deal on a battleship, come to me. If you dont have people in your corp to make the ship yourself from the bpc, I will be more than happy to build it for you for atleast a million isk cheaper than any price you'll get from TTI. Contact me in game, I make all battleships except Tempest, Typhoon, and Dominix, and ill undersell TTI any day. Vilar Solamnus Director of Trade, Cornexant Inc.
Serge	Posted - 2003.08.27 13:25:00 - [154] Quote: To be honest the only person so far who I think looks like a n00b is you from talking like that, it takes an entire two seconds to press a few extra keys, this isnt a text message, try some correct english please. To be honest I dont want a flame war, whats happened has happened now and nothings come of it, can we drop it, TTI is running a good buisness and good luck to them. You talk about me? not sure if I understand what you mean. Two statements: 1. To clarify how I used "noob": Hawkings says max cash he had was 3 mio. Ok, thats not really much so I assume he still is more "noob" than "experienced" player. His approach is noobish, unexperienced, stupid ;) imo ;) 2. The reaction of nearly all ppl in this threat about Hawking¦s action is: A. "Hawkings = our hero" B. TTI = idiots Therefore I wondered "where have all the manners gone" *********************************************** ... "we suddenly have a good 2 dozen Chicken Littles running about proclaiming tha
Agent103	Posted - 2003.08.27 15:41:00 - [155] here what good is money if your gona spent it all on lost ships? make a deal give like half i mean 50mil is still quite a bit. At least theres no stupid taxes --------------------------------------------- "I can only regret that i only have one life to live for my gallaxy'" -Agent103
Gushi	Posted - 2003.08.27 15:45:00 - [156] Edited by: Gushi on 27/08/2003 15:45:59 Serge, did you even read through the entire post? Let me help you understand. I'll break it down in moron terms for you. Roark made James an offer for a return which he didn't feel was unfair and rejected it. Roark, obviously upset about it, then made threats and accusations so of corse James became upset as well. They are now at a standoff and that's where it stands. And as far as being a noob, James has been with our corp since the second week of release and can pilot an Iteron 5. I hardly think that makes him a noob, but to an idiot I'm sure it would. Here's a little tid bit about manners moron. They work for dinner edicate and family reunions, I don't see much room for em here. Of corse if you want me to show you where to put your edicate I'd be more than happy to oblige. Take what ya kin... Gives nothin back!!!
Falnaerith	Posted - 2003.08.27 18:24:00 - [157] Quote: Edited by: Gushi on 27/08/2003 15:45:59 Serge, did you even read through the entire post? Lmao. All 8 pages of it? I just like to skim it for flame posts like yours and get a kick out of em. (Lemme say though, you're use of "Moron" throughout your post kinda degrades it a bit) ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them.
Serge	Posted - 2003.08.28 09:12:00 - [158] hehe, little upset? sorry, will never again call someone noob! I promise lol. btw, jep, I read all posts. And - no need to flame me! Imo your corpmate acted foolish and without honour, I blame him for this. *********************************************** ... "we suddenly have a good 2 dozen Chicken Littles running about proclaiming tha
James Hawkings	Posted - 2003.08.28 15:16:00 - [159] lol, whats your definition of a noob? a brand new player or somebody whose played a long time and never bothered to work up a personel fortune. i work for the good of the corp, and i dont' ask for anything back. ~Built Hauler Tough~ ~Dazed and Confused Currently~
James Hawkings	Posted - 2003.08.28 15:22:00 - [160] you blame me for what serge, for not wanting to give the money back? or this thread, yes this thread is my doing :) ~Built Hauler Tough~ ~Dazed and Confused Currently~



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