Stop crying for C4 changes...WTF

Leave the statics as they are.

Stop the calls for homogenization already.

Most of what would improve WH is new content, something to spice up W-Space and to bring in new blood, especially into C6 space (I can roll all day and only hear my own echo, its disappointing, moar pew!)

We really need something that the nullbears don't have that would make more people interested in High-class wormhole life. Living in a C6 with a C6 static means that our Ragerolls will give us pvp every 50 or so rolls. And even then, it's usually Russians afking sites.

Lets not go off topic here.

*hi winthrop*

- T3s need subsystem swapping in POSs (they can be switched in stations, why not POSs?; effect: T3s would be able to recognize their potential by allowing us to change our fits just like in K-Space)
and that's about it for fixes.

I want to cut WH's off from the rest of eve and i think my ideas are so drastic that they will never be considered by CCP

C5 space is populated but there's over 500 systems, nobody wants to waste their time rolling for PVP in that, especially when most C5 occupants are farmers not interested in anything but making isk.

Stop bashing C6s and start proposing stuff to help W-Space.

Also, I've never evicted anyone from a C6, a few merc ops in low class WHs, but there's no point in evicting someone who will provide a fight. Farmers, however, you have been warned.

Yo, take your squabbles elsewhere. This is supposed to be Issue / Fix / Impact thread so the CSM can compile a list to take back to CCP, not so they can sift through your tears, get bored, and give up halfway through because you filled the thread with spam.

you obviosuly havent been in c5s for a while. If the C5 is occupied it has about a 80% chance of being occupied by a inactive/Farming corp that does nothing but run sites and log off. For a nullbear you complain an oawful lot about people in C6s.

As i stated in my last post ally our whining about us evicting other WH corps is complete nonsense. Are farming corps burned and razed? yup, all the time. and nothing of value was lost. I am not aware of any true WH corps being bullied out of C5 space.

Even if some are, suck it up, my corporation built it's way up to where we were, we werent babied, we got whelped plenty of times by other WH corps, lost towers, paid ransoms, had to start from scratch a couple times. I am not sure why lately eve being the way it is is being blamed on us. Nothing has changed it has been this way since apocrypha, there are larger organized Wh corps and there are smaller fledgeling ones working on getting there. The difference is those willign to keep striving to improve, rather than cry to ccp that theyre losing to corps better than them.


Rather i believe the issue simply lies with C1-C4 making too much money/being tooe asy if they dont think the isk in C5/C6 space is worth the risk and additional PVP. If things were balanced people would be trying to mvoe up here. I tisnt theyre trying and getting killed, usually theya rent trying at all. I have talked with tell me that what C5/C6 space has to offer over what they ahve now sint worth it to them, to the risk/Reward doesnt scale well over the systems.

If you're talking about the new content, yes I have to agree there weren't piles of few good ideas, but that's the nature of brainstorming new ideas, if it were easy sov wouldn't go to whoever had the biggest blob and there would be better effects in Black Holes.

If you're talking about minor changes that would improve W-Space people have been suggesting, and you think that there are only 3 of those are in this thread, get out and go back to general discussion with the other nullbears because you've been drowning in stupid for so long that its starting to wear off.

I was never attempting to encourage occupation, or making occupation easier. If you search my previous post in this thread you'll note that I'm of the opinion that statics existing at all is part of what's wrong with wormholes.

Wormholes weren't ever designed for occupation. Yes, we occupied them because we're stubborn arrogant twats that don't care what CCP's intent is. We shouldn't be encouraging and enabling easier ways to occupy large swaths of wspace. Daytripping is the original design intent of wspace and while it shouldn't be impossible (as it is now) to live out of a hole without outside assistance, it shouldn't be a design goal either. Adding ice to wormholes is the only pro-occupancy change wormholes need. This allows people to fuel their POS.

Wormholes aren't supposed to be space where you hold "sov" and have "territory"

The fact that the idea of "encouraging occupancy" even exists belies the core problems of wormhole space. Occupancy killed wormhole exploration, and turned it in to nullsec 2.0

It's my personal opinion that for wormholes to work they need to be naturally hostile to occupancy, naturally hostile to large fleets, naturally hostile to alliance and batphoning warfare, and naturally unpredictable and practically unmappable.

So yes, I want to encourage daytripping, or more specifically week-tripping, and I want to make it effectively impossible to permanently occupy w-space. Decay timers, escalating sleeper raids on POSes, anything that halts once and for all the idea of permanently occupying a fixed point in wspace. I believe that the ability to live, long term, in wspace is the core problem with wspace. It turns what's supposed to function as a great and lucrative unknown with a high degree of operational risk in to a predictable, boring, and increasingly inaccessible sequel to nullsec. We already have a buttload of nullsec systems, and we don't need more.

If you want to occupy space, you should be doing it in Null, where the mechanics are built to encourage occupancy. The concept of occupancy in wspace is born of extreme risk aversion coupled with high ISK return and gaming of wormhole mechanics that should have obfuscated and counteracted it. people wanted to "own" valuable systems without needing to deal with nullblob warfare. They moved in to wormholes, and quickly proceeded to turn them in to blob warfare.

Id like to keep blob warfare in null where it belongs.

I think the fixes to wspace, and wormhole mechanics in general should focus around increasing and rewarding use of space while penalizing and decreasing occupancy of space, if that makes any sense.

@Winthorp - you seem to be missing the point of the thread. Ideas. Suggestions (et cetera et cetera). Some might be rough around the edges or overshadowed by more fleshed out ideas. But you opinion is exactly that. Yours. Not any more or less valid than anyone else's idea(s) and barring actual discussion of pro/con your opinion is easily ignored.

Stop it.

It would also be nice if we had an immediate indication/timer of wormhole polarization, something similar to the session change timer.

It would remove the guesswork and the need for external timers from the use of wormholes.

Log-in traps I think need to go, or at the least there needs to be a way for people to detect how many ships are logged out in a system.

I have a thread running in the features and discussion forum

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=269042&find=unread

except that log on traps are not generating conflict or real content, its a risk free way to gain killmails. Anyone that says "they could have fought back and killed us" is lying to justify themselves or bad at picking targets. When you have the godlike power of deciding exactly when and where the fight will take place with absolutely no necessary risk to yourself your not logging on to gank a fleet for a fight where you might lose, your blobbing someone who cant reasonably fight back, and then your also usually running for the hills.

This behaviour doesnt generate conflict, just killmails, it doesnt incentivize any change. Im not going to stretch to say its an exploit, but claiming its generating good content for WH space is just silly.

I would hardly call jumping ship through WH , logging off and playing a different game/alt account while you wait for your scout to tell you to log back in effort. Effort would be sitting in a fleet at a safe spot carefully fit up with cloaks waiting patiently for the prey to fly into your web.

Log on traps are as bad as logging off to avoid conflict. Youve brought your fleet to the fight and than logged off until there isnt a fight. only a gank. Your standing next to me, invulnerable with a knife waiting for me to turn around so you can stab me and run away.

I agree that everything doesnt need to generate good content, but this playstyle is not benefitting WH space. I see this as something "wrong" with wormhole space. It is risk free content, and thats just bad.

Supers need to be able to move to and from W-Space, and should be buildable within wormholes.

Problem:

With a small percentage of the player base transversing wormhole space, it is extremely time intensive to find other active players to interact with. I think it would be great to have more tools available to detect and track the movement of ships within wormhole chains. Enabling more ways to track could bring players together more quickly. Any solution should also maintain the tactics of stealth particular to w-space.

Proposed Solution:

Make it possible for scouts to examine/scan a wormhole for evidence of ships that have passed through it. These GÇ£tracksGÇ¥ would fade over time becoming harder to detect, or the results detected have a greater chance of being inaccurate. The wormhole scanner could be a mid slot module that is affected by a skill. The higher the skill level the greater accuracy of scans. It would work something like:

Scout jumps through an unexplored wormhole and scans out the system. He finds a few wormholes. After warping to the hole he de-cloaks, locks the wormhole, and activates his hole scanner.

The results would not have to be text, cool multicolor visual effects showing up on the wormhole would be sweet, but the scan output would give the scout info such as:

GÇ£A single small ship has has transversed this wormhole very recently.GÇ¥

The output would stack and vary based on approximate ship quantity, size, and time since passing through.

GÇ£A single small ship has has transversed this wormhole very recently.GÇ¥
GÇ£A few mid-sized ships have transversed this wormhole within the past hour.GÇ¥
GÇ£A large ship traversed this wormhole many hours ago.GÇ¥

As time passes the scans could become more inaccurate based on the age of the ship tracks, pilot skill level, random environmental effects etc.

Possible Result:

The addition of a system like this could help provide players with more information while exploring, reward good decision making, and bring players together faster for potential interactions.

PS: if you want randomness, go run quarantine areas...

And a far as PvE goes, I'd really like to see some pve combat related stuff for higher end WH's impimented that don't take caps and dreads or thirty guys in subcaps and logi to do.

Aye but who has the balls to ascertain just how many guards are required?

]FIX SCANNING TO THE WAY IT WAS PRE ODYSSEY 1.1, AS OF WRITING MY CORP AND I ARE STUCK IN OUR WORMHOLE BECAUSE WE CANNOT SCAN DOWN ANY SIGNATURES AT ALL, NOT TO MENTION WE CAN'T SCAN DOWN ANY INTRUDERS. [/b][/u]

Sorry to burst your bubble guys but the biggest reason there's nothing to shoot at in WH is because kspace people do the old "oh look, another wormhole" and switch system.

my only notable experience with wormholes was getting ganked on entry and podded? I haven't been inspired at all to return to place that feela so insurmountable

I like a lot of your ideas, but some of them not so much

POS bashing sleepers will make everyone put offline towers with guns at every moon. Just fly over in a tanked ship and a few fuel blocks and your set. People could abuse the mechanic very easily. If you miss one... oh well we lost some stront.

Don't reset sites after down time would suck if more action didn't happen more often. as it is WHs are almost a grave yard. Less sites to do would mean even less people living in WHs.

I agree on making W-space more unknown though.

3. Dont give WH alliances the ability to have share bookmarks beyond what is already available. One of the great things about W space is it allows small/medium corps to fully participate in all W space has to offer. Giving further advantages to the large WH alliances will only see them get larger, conquer more WH systems and then we have nullsec

HerrBert said I wasn't allowed. I found myself a nice home, but the offer is greatly appreciated! o7