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Lunarstorm95
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.08.09 03:35:00 -
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Is anyone else tired if needing a tengu to run escalations in null? It seems to be the ONLY ship that can do it. Can we add some variety into the mix? Not this "train a tengu and win eve"?
I thought the point of eve was to have options? Sure some ships may be able handle some escalations but chances are u gata swap to a tengu at one point or another.
A ishtar MIGHT be able to run em but i haven't tried it just yet,
None of the t3s even come close to the tengu, in pve (wh, ratting, and mission) and pvp (solo, small gang, and even some fleets) the tengu is "best".
I doubt anything i say will help but i feel either the t3s need to be brought up to match the tengu or the tengu needs to be lowered below a "win eve" status
(This topic took a tangent)
Any options besides a tengu?
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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
744
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:10:00 -
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T3 rebalancing coming soon, then the Tengu should suck just as much as the other T3's
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Christopher Multsanti
Frag Executors
ROMANIAN-LEGION
5
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:10:00 -
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1. Caldari ships have always been PVE ships. Like for Ever.
2. CCP doesn't really care about PVE balancing.
3. Legion works pretty well in Stain and delve. So GTFO? |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
225
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:26:00 -
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Sentry proteus is pretty good for non w-space PVE.
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Holgrak Blacksmith
European Research and Industry Corp
123
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:58:00 -
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I run them in a rattlesnake without any problems. |
nahjustwarpin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.08.09 09:14:00 -
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Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:I run them in a rattlesnake without any problems.
like gurista maze in rattlesnake? that would be beautiful explosion |
Holgrak Blacksmith
European Research and Industry Corp
123
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Posted - 2013.08.09 09:32:00 -
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nahjustwarpin wrote:Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:I run them in a rattlesnake without any problems. like gurista maze in rattlesnake? that would be beautiful explosion
Apologies - I have no trouble in angel space with a RS. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
556
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Posted - 2013.08.09 09:52:00 -
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MJD battleships can also do some higher class escalation solo
German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.08.09 10:19:00 -
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Some leaving vet posted detailed instructions on how to run 10/10s solo in a nullified Proteus.
Ten Thousand Years is recruiting pioneer spirits to Solitude. |
Seraph Castillon
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.08.09 10:55:00 -
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Ishtar ...
Roime wrote:Some leaving vet posted detailed instructions on how to run 10/10s solo in a nullified Proteus.
Link please. Google won't show it to me and I don't know enough to do a detailed search. |
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Pixie Pearl
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.09 10:59:00 -
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Seraph Castillon wrote:Ishtar ... Roime wrote:Some leaving vet posted detailed instructions on how to run 10/10s solo in a nullified Proteus. Link please. Google won't show it to me and I don't know enough to do a detailed search.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1935802 |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
2573
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:28:00 -
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nahjustwarpin wrote:Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:I run them in a rattlesnake without any problems. Like gurista maze in rattlesnake? that would be beautiful explosion
Not true at all. I live in Tribute for 2 years and though I did use a tengu a lot, i experimented with other ships. I complete the MAZE with a rattlesnake even back when the Citadel Torp in the last room as EM instead of Kinetic. SOLO by the way (it was easier because of no npcs switching targets) with a fully passive fit.
As for the OP, I've also don't the maze with a shield Loki (solo), the rattlesnake, a logi + abandon (before the AI change) and logi plus Rokh, double remote rep Dominixes (after the AI switch, using an auto targeting system so I could lock up targets and my sentry drones to rep and a basilisk+nightmare combo (both before and after the AI change).
If you can't figure out how to do Guristas or any high end null content without a tengu, the problem is your lack of creativity, not the game.
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XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
347
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:15:00 -
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Lunarstorm95 wrote:
None of the t3s even come close to the tengu, in pve (wh, ratting, and mission) and pvp (solo, small gang, and even some fleets) the tengu is "best".
Never heard of loki fleet? Or seen proteus in an ahac fleet? Seen the changes they're making to rails with 1.1? How about legions in ahac fleets?
Sorry but this game isn't balanced around jewing.
And the T3s are in for serious nerfing soonTM, with particular regards to their stupidly large tanks. |
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:28:00 -
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One of the best ships to run null escalations is a sniper Dominix with mjd. |
Lunarstorm95
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:05:00 -
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XXSketchxx wrote:Lunarstorm95 wrote:
None of the t3s even come close to the tengu, in pve (wh, ratting, and mission) and pvp (solo, small gang, and even some fleets) the tengu is "best".
Never heard of loki fleet? Or seen proteus in an ahac fleet? Seen the changes they're making to rails with 1.1? How about legions in ahac fleets? Sorry but this game isn't balanced around jewing. And the T3s are in for serious nerfing soonTM, with particular regards to their stupidly large tanks.
U missed the point i was making, while lokis are good in fleets for a long while now tengu has had good results in fleet sized pvp (i dont recall a time where one of your loki fleets did to good of dmg to another fleet) not in comparison to the tengu at least.
As for some one else said i dont see how a proteus is even somewhat viable? And ppl are talking about a rattlesnake, hmm i could see that in some regions of space.
Any other ideas?
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Lunarstorm95
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:07:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:nahjustwarpin wrote:[quote=Holgrak Blacksmith]I run them in a rattlesnake without any problems. If you can't figure out how to do Guristas or any high end null content without a tengu, the problem is your lack of creativity, not the game.
Thats why im asking here
It was hard to see threw due to all the biased talk but i was kinda asking what ships can do escalations besides a tengu.
Preferably serpentist
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XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
347
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:42:00 -
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Lunarstorm95 wrote:
U missed the point i was making, while lokis are good in fleets for a long while now tengu has had good results in fleet sized pvp (i dont recall a time where one of your loki fleets did to good of dmg to another fleet) not in comparison to the tengu at least.
Your point is wrong. Loki fleet is quite viable and was used against Test by PL I believe in 1-SMEB recently. Goons have it as an option as well.
Also legion ahacs and proteus sprinkled within (nobody shoots cruisers with 200+k EHP).
So basically you have no idea what you're talking about, is what I'm saying.
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Lunarstorm95
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:48:00 -
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XXSketchxx wrote:Lunarstorm95 wrote:
U missed the point i was making, while lokis are good in fleets for a long while now tengu has had good results in fleet sized pvp (i dont recall a time where one of your loki fleets did to good of dmg to another fleet) not in comparison to the tengu at least.
Your point is wrong. Loki fleet is quite viable and was used against Test by PL I believe in 1-SMEB recently. Goons have it as an option as well. Also legion ahacs and proteus sprinkled within (nobody shoots cruisers with 200+k EHP). So basically you have no idea what you're talking about, is what I'm saying.
I know what im talking about i think ur just missing what point im making.
(okay so i MAY be wrong about large fleet pvp. But solo and all pve the tengu is still a "win all")
Back to the point of topic tho
Can a rattle snake do serpentist escalations? I have a corpie telling me it has to big of a sig and will die?
What other options are their i see tengu and possible ishtar?
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
2573
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:51:00 -
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Lunarstorm95 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:nahjustwarpin wrote:[quote=Holgrak Blacksmith]I run them in a rattlesnake without any problems. If you can't figure out how to do Guristas or any high end null content without a tengu, the problem is your lack of creativity, not the game. Thats why im asking here It was hard to see threw due to all the biased talk but i was kinda asking what ships can do escalations besides a tengu. Preferably serpentist
Your original post was horrible. It's hard to see what you were saying. Tengu needs a nerf, other T3s need a boost. "is anyone else tired of neeing a tengu" etc etc.
If you want to ask a question ask it and leave all the other stuff out. That way you will get a more clear and concise answer.
The ships for serpentis DEDs and suchare pretty much the same as for guristas. My favorites (alone or in combinations), Tengu, loki, rattlesnake, Mach, Any Raven hull (like raven, cnr, golem), Vindicator, Domi, Khronos, Vargur, Navy Mega and so on.
Nowadays, just for simple ratting and anoms, the regular raven, typhoon and Domi are kick ass isk makers.
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Lunarstorm95
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:55:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Lunarstorm95 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:nahjustwarpin wrote:[quote=Holgrak Blacksmith]I run them in a rattlesnake without any problems. If you can't figure out how to do Guristas or any high end null content without a tengu, the problem is your lack of creativity, not the game. Thats why im asking here It was hard to see threw due to all the biased talk but i was kinda asking what ships can do escalations besides a tengu. Preferably serpentist Your original post was horrible. It's hard to see what you were saying. Tengu needs a nerf, other T3s need a boost. "is anyone else tired of neeing a tengu" etc etc. If you want to ask a question ask it and leave all the other stuff out. That way you will get a more clear and concise answer. The ships for serpentis DEDs and suchare pretty much the same as for guristas. My favorites (alone or in combinations), Tengu, loki, rattlesnake, Mach, Any Raven hull (like raven, cnr, golem), Vindicator, Domi, Khronos, Vargur, Navy Mega and so on. Nowadays, just for simple ratting and anoms, the regular raven, typhoon and Domi are kick ass isk makers.
Yeah i admitted in a few posts up that it was biased and a bit off topic from what i hoped lol
Im being told by corpies that big ships cant handle escalations (like staging points and fortress') because of sig radius?
Also im surprised u put vindi on that list? If were talking about same sites i wouldnt think a vindi would even be slightly viable
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
2577
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:48:00 -
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Lunarstorm95 wrote:
Im being told by corpies that big ships cant handle escalations (like staging points and fortress') because of sig radius?
Also im surprised u put vindi on that list? If were talking about same sites i wouldnt think a vindi would even be slightly viable
I've used a Vindi paired with a remote repping Domi in a Fleet Staging point 3 (9/10), the vindi went in 1st to tank the torp, the domi has local tank to tank the rest of the spawns. Some ships need back up to do DED 9s and 10s, but a rattlesnake isn't one of them.
The people who think a battleship can't tank a citadel torp throwing DED plex are simply wrong, I know because I've done it. Hell, it's easier now due to the fact that all the torps aren't just EM now. Smaller sig does rock (which is why I've used Tengus and lokis in the past), but even before the citadel torp change, a rattlesnake could tank 300k+ EM damage. Now for Guristas space you just tank Kin/therm and be done with it.
The ONLY time i had a problem in Guristas space was when I killed the station 1st in a MAZE with the snake , that got rid of the citadel torp but I need up having to kill the scrams and warp out because I had full room aggro and my snake tank was breaking slowly. Serp/10/10 is even easier than the maze for a solo rattlesnake, even with the structure grind at the end.
Hell,I use RR rattlesnakes (2 of them) for Blood Raider Naval Shipyard, THE most bad assed DED in the game.
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
475
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Posted - 2013.08.09 18:20:00 -
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Would be nice is escalations stayed within a region. Got to love starting one in Providence and having it end in Delve...
NullSec where regions tend to be boarders for Empires isn't great for escalations.
Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Lunarstorm95
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2013.08.09 18:33:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Lunarstorm95 wrote:
Im being told by corpies that big ships cant handle escalations (like staging points and fortress') because of sig radius?
Also im surprised u put vindi on that list? If were talking about same sites i wouldnt think a vindi would even be slightly viable
I've used a Vindi paired with a remote repping Domi in a Fleet Staging point 3 (9/10), the vindi went in 1st to tank the torp, the domi has local tank to tank the rest of the spawns. Some ships need back up to do DED 9s and 10s, but a rattlesnake isn't one of them. The people who think a battleship can't tank a citadel torp throwing DED plex are simply wrong, I know because I've done it. Hell, it's easier now due to the fact that all the torps aren't just EM now. Smaller sig does rock (which is why I've used Tengus and lokis in the past), but even before the citadel torp change, a rattlesnake could tank 300k+ EM damage. Now for Guristas space you just tank Kin/therm and be done with it. The ONLY time i had a problem in Guristas space was when I killed the station 1st in a MAZE with the snake , that got rid of the citadel torp but I need up having to kill the scrams and warp out because I had full room aggro and my snake tank was breaking slowly. Serp/10/10 is even easier than the maze for a solo rattlesnake, even with the structure grind at the end. Hell,I use RR rattlesnakes (2 of them) for Blood Raider Naval Shipyard, THE most bad assed DED in the game.
hmm ill try a Rattle then and see how that works
Thanks for reply
Passive or active fit? and did u use sentry or heavys?
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
2577
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:03:00 -
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Lunarstorm95 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Lunarstorm95 wrote:
Im being told by corpies that big ships cant handle escalations (like staging points and fortress') because of sig radius?
Also im surprised u put vindi on that list? If were talking about same sites i wouldnt think a vindi would even be slightly viable
I've used a Vindi paired with a remote repping Domi in a Fleet Staging point 3 (9/10), the vindi went in 1st to tank the torp, the domi has local tank to tank the rest of the spawns. Some ships need back up to do DED 9s and 10s, but a rattlesnake isn't one of them. The people who think a battleship can't tank a citadel torp throwing DED plex are simply wrong, I know because I've done it. Hell, it's easier now due to the fact that all the torps aren't just EM now. Smaller sig does rock (which is why I've used Tengus and lokis in the past), but even before the citadel torp change, a rattlesnake could tank 300k+ EM damage. Now for Guristas space you just tank Kin/therm and be done with it. The ONLY time i had a problem in Guristas space was when I killed the station 1st in a MAZE with the snake , that got rid of the citadel torp but I need up having to kill the scrams and warp out because I had full room aggro and my snake tank was breaking slowly. Serp/10/10 is even easier than the maze for a solo rattlesnake, even with the structure grind at the end. Hell,I use RR rattlesnakes (2 of them) for Blood Raider Naval Shipyard, THE most bad assed DED in the game. hmm ill try a Rattle then and see how that works Thanks for reply Passive or active fit? and did u use sentry or heavys?
Passive and don't skimp on the buffer and sentries.
And Smart Bombs. For the life of me i dunno why more people who run DEDs don't use them, Citadel torps don't have massive ehp and pop easy.
[Rattlesnake, The MAZE]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Pith B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Pith C-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Pith C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Dread Guristas Medium Graviton Smartbomb
Dread Guristas Medium Graviton Smartbomb
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Hobgoblin II x30
* lots of light drones because they will die
*stagger the smart bombs off and on to be cap stable
*drone damage mod optional (use to be ballistic control before the DDAs came out.
*move away from beacon before lighting smart bombs else they won't come on. Smart bombs don't work in the 1st 4 rooms unless you move away form the gates
*Smartbombs not only kill citadel torps, but the missiles from the Guristas Battleships, aiding your tank greatly
*Bigger smartbombs can be used but mgiht make you cap out, but bigger smartbombs also kill that swarm of frigs on you at the begining of the 5th room
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XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
347
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:34:00 -
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Lunarstorm95 wrote:
But solo and all pve the tengu is still a "win all")
No one cares if ship A is better than ships B, C, and D for making jew gold.
Tengu is definitely not king for solo. Thats autistic as hell. |
XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
347
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:34:00 -
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Re: you still don't know what you're talking about |
Lunarstorm95
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:15:00 -
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XXSketchxx wrote:Re: you still don't know what you're talking about
Shhh silly test
PS Hows the evac to delve treating you?
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Lunarstorm95
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:16:00 -
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Lunarstorm95 wrote:XXSketchxx wrote:Re: you still don't know what you're talking about Shhh silly test PS Hows the evac to delve treating you?
O wait your evacing from delve too
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