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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.20 19:53:00 -
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Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:She has a point, there are a lot of Federation Matari complaining about discrimination. This is something that has to be taken seriously.
Where her line of reasoning goes off the tracks, in my opinion, is that she seems to see it as an issue for the Republic, where (presumably) you and I see it as a matter for the Federation to resolve. Her couching it in terms of conflict, and lumping it together with the issues that plague Republic-Amarr relations, are what's interesting here. So what, she wants a fight?
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
886
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Posted - 2013.08.20 20:11:00 -
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Ok so, let me see if i have the rules of this game correct; if a Matari complains of being treated unfairly on the basis of ethnicity they're "playing the victim". If one dares to ask for an investigation into said claims of discrimination one gets slapped in the face with Colelie. If a Matari attempts a calm, reasoned response to most any topic on the IGS it gets met either with either derision, cries of "remember Colelie !" or, victim blaming. I think I got it.
Let's save time in the future by simply labeling your Minmatar bashing responses thusly:
A. You're just playing the race/ethnicity card. Nothing to see here, move on. B. Whatever you say is invalid because: Colelie! C. Stupid tribals. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. D. It's your own fault, you did this to yourselves. E. All of the above.
Now, instead of taking the time to type out bloated, irrational replies simply type, "A", for example. Et voila! Finis!
Hope this little guide is helpful and cuts down on repetitive stress injuries from typing the same tired, crap missives again and again. Enjoy! I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |

Karmilla Strife
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
110
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Posted - 2013.08.20 20:53:00 -
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"C" |

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
226
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Posted - 2013.08.21 08:19:00 -
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F). All those feeling discriminated can just move to their precious Republic.
Oh right, starving to death due to a crippled economy isn't really a viable alternative. Hm let's see...
G). All those feeling discriminated can just move somewhere else if they're feeling uncomfortable. A lot of organizations outside of Federation and Republic are hiring, after all. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
529
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Posted - 2013.08.21 08:58:00 -
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C. |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
896
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:26:00 -
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And now in an effort to also help those of us who need to respond to the stupid drivel that people like Kim, Strife and Caine post, a similar system:
A. Go **** yourself. B. Don't you have (insert immoral/perverse activity) to do? C. That response was so stupid that it lowered my IQ by 20 points simply by reading it. D. No U!
I think I'll just go with 'A' in this case. Have a nice day! I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
872
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:29:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:And now in an effort to also help those of us who need to respond to the stupid drivel that people like Kim, Strife and Caine post, a similar system:
A. Go **** yourself. B. Don't you have (insert immoral/perverse activity) to do? C. That response was so stupid that it lowered my IQ by 20 points simply by reading it. D. No U!
I think I'll just go with 'A' in this case. Have a nice day!
You forgot E. All of the above. Morwen Lagann Director, Tyrathlion Interstellar |

Karmilla Strife
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
112
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:38:00 -
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You're right Rella. I do have something better to do. |

Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
1091
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:57:00 -
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How to get what you want, the Republic way!
1. Victimize yourself, doesn't matter if you are actually the victims! 2. Attack someone! It can be anyone from anywhere! 3. Make sure the attack is a miserable failure. 4. Rinse and repeat until not even Ethnic Minimatar like the Republic
Discrimination is an issue in the Federation. However, the Republic needs to realize that not everyone of Minmatar decent doesn't belong to the Republic. There may be faults with the Federation, but there is a reason why most free Minmatar have chosen to live here and not the Republic. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
487
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:36:00 -
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Correction: Electus Matari leadership did neither initiate nor order the attack in Colelie. Matters progressed fast and there was no time to consult the alliance council. I commanded the fleet, and my decisions were mine, not the alliance's. At the time of the events I did not hold (and currently do not hold) a leadership position in Electus Matari.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient |

James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation
508
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:41:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote:Recent issues where Matari inside the Federation are crying out for equal rights sparked the statement. Where was this tolerance whose lack you decry in others, when millions of your own kin freed by a new and victorious Empress returned?
Those who came to the former Republic GÇïseeking succorGÇï, that held their faith were treated like sick cattle, or worse.
We know our sins little sister, see you your own. GÇï GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Isis Dea
Combat Cruise Control
18
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Posted - 2013.08.22 13:46:00 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Isis Dea wrote:Recent issues where Matari inside the Federation are crying out for equal rights sparked the statement. Where was this tolerance whose lack you decry in others, when millions of your own kin freed by a new and victorious Empress returned? Those who came to the former Republic GÇïseeking succorGÇï, that held their faith were treated like sick cattle, or worse. We know our sins little sister, see you your own. GÇï
If you followed my first statement, which that was based off, you'd see I outlined our own sins very clearly.
Also, be careful what you label as free. Just because they have lives befitting a (lower) class society does not make them free. There are ideals one would label savage or barbaric within Matari are also considered their own nature. Vicious now, as by-product of inner-tribal warfare yet arguably mores because of the reclaiming.
Those ideals are removed within your society.
Furthermore, while some might be free, they spend their new lives observing their kin anything but free. The countless Matari who make up your slave population, that "serve" aboard your starships, all bring about a resounding fact that their race is anything but free.
As for the hope that things will change, imagine this: Will there ever be a Matari bishop? A Brutor able to hold the floor of the court of her highness with the respect of the court in his words?
Think about it. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1498
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Posted - 2013.08.22 14:31:00 -
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They said as much about the Udorian. Now there's a Udorian heir. |

Isis Dea
Combat Cruise Control
18
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Posted - 2013.08.22 14:33:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:They said as much about the Udorian. Now there's a Udorian heir.
You think there could ever be a Brutor heir?
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Hadi Shouna
Transfinite Exploration
0
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Posted - 2013.08.22 18:41:00 -
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My aunt Lida always says you've got to take the long view.
As far as a Brutor heir, I'd say that's up to the Brutor. The Tash-Murkons weren't simply awarded patents of nobility randomly, they're noble because they deserve it. But a good example of the future of Matari in the Empire is the Ammatar Mandate. Give them a few hundred years, and you'll start seeing a lot more of the sort of equality you're talking about.
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
567
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:50:00 -
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Hadi Shouna wrote:My aunt Lida always says you've got to take the long view.
As far as a Brutor heir, I'd say that's up to the Brutor. The Tash-Murkons weren't simply awarded patents of nobility randomly, they're noble because they deserve it. But a good example of the future of Matari in the Empire is the Ammatar Mandate. Give them a few hundred years, and you'll start seeing a lot more of the sort of equality you're talking about.
It mostly depends if Brutors start to look more like Udorians, or Ealurians eventually. |

Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3259
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Posted - 2013.08.22 19:58:00 -
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Perhaps there are some Brutor who'd like to take their chances waiting for the Empire to humour them. I imagine there's a fair few who'd rather be somewhere other than the Empire. Both are valid desires.
What I object to is that they don't have a choice in the matter. Mane 614
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Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
367
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:26:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Perhaps there are some Brutor who'd like to take their chances waiting for the Empire to humour them. I imagine there's a fair few who'd rather be somewhere other than the Empire. Both are valid desires.
What I object to is that they don't have a choice in the matter.
COUGHMandateCOUGH.
I know that it's not a popular thing to remember, but there's actually a reasonable proportion of Minmatar in the Empire and associated bodies that are content where they are without being chained down. You think every freed slave automatically goes running back to the Republic? |

Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3284
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Posted - 2013.08.24 09:15:00 -
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Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:but there's actually a reasonable proportion of Minmatar in the Empire and associated bodies that are content where they are without being chained down. You think every freed slave automatically goes running back to the Republic? Read my post again. I never denied that. Mane 614
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Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
375
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Posted - 2013.08.24 11:05:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:but there's actually a reasonable proportion of Minmatar in the Empire and associated bodies that are content where they are without being chained down. You think every freed slave automatically goes running back to the Republic? Read my post again. I never denied that.
All right, try this one on for size: if the Empire were to release all its slaves, and even a quarter of those released returned to the Republic, it would result in the Republic's total collapse. I've stated in the past that mass release of slaves would be crippling to the Empire as well, but honestly I think it would benefit more.
The Republic's resources are stretched anyway. Last I heard, they were still relying on aid from the Federation. A sudden population increase of a third (from just that one quarter, mind you) would cause total chaos. More than that, and the Republic simply would not cope. I could actually see a mass exodus back to the Empire, because hey, we might be second class citizens there, but at least we get food and a roof over our heads.
The economics and logistics just don't add up. Simple as that. |

Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
1147
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Posted - 2013.08.24 11:15:00 -
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Someone's gotta say it...
...but our economy and all was just fine before, well... you know... "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |

Indira Harashani
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.08.24 13:47:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Someone's gotta say it...
...but our economy and all was just fine before, well... you know... Before Shakor started funneling money and supplies intended for your people to fund his pet capital fleet?
Yes, we know. They're still finding little pieces of it on Mekhios to this day. |

Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1430
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Posted - 2013.08.25 07:40:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Someone's gotta say it...
...but our economy and all was just fine before, well... you know... Before you got your wish and became free? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
1151
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Posted - 2013.08.25 11:59:00 -
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Amarrians.
Selective Perception for over 1000 years! "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
913
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:16:00 -
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Indira Harashani wrote: ...Yes, we know. They're still finding little pieces of it on Mekhios to this day.
Just like we're still finding unmarked mass graves of slaughtered Minmatar and the artifacts of your occupation to this day?
A.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |

Shintoko Akahoshi
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
381
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Posted - 2013.08.25 20:05:00 -
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Indira Harashani wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:Someone's gotta say it...
...but our economy and all was just fine before, well... you know... Before Shakor started funneling money and supplies intended for your people to fund his pet capital fleet? Yes, we know. They're still finding little pieces of it on Mekhios to this day.
Loathe as I am to defend people like Starfire, it's a matter of record that the economy of the Republic has been doing better under Shakor than it had been for the past several decades.
There were people in the Federation arguing that all those Minmatar immigrants who came here would tank our economy, too, but the Federation economy did just fine. I could see an influx of newly freed slaves being good for their economy. Especially the highly skilled sorts of slaves that the Empire would be opposed most to losing.
Bio and writing
(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated) |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3338
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Posted - 2013.08.27 01:47:00 -
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I would fully expect the groupthinking Minmatar to project this on the ethnic Gallente. Individuality comes first in the Federation. If some ass-hats need an excuse to single people out for their ethnicity, there's no solution in blaming everybody.
The Minmatar best get off this track lest their "leaders" find profit in this manner and that will ensure this problem will never end. |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
916
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Posted - 2013.08.27 05:34:00 -
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Group-thinking Minmatar? Pilot, I believe you have us confused with a different group. I assure you that our opinions are as varied as any other society. Although we (mostly) speak and act as a unified people during times of national crisis, during normal times there's great difference of opinion between individuals, clans and Tribes.
Instead of living in a perpetual state of denial and victim blaming, I'd recommend actually investigating the allegations of discrimination rather than simply dismissing them out of hand. According to official census figures Matari make up a third of the Federation's population. That's a rather substantial segment of Gallentean society to treat so dismissively.
Even if Federal citizens such as yourself don't see any need for action I'm pretty certain that the politicians courting this huge block of voters will see things differently.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3340
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:09:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Group-thinking Minmatar? Pilot, I believe you have us confused with a different group. I assure you that our opinions are as varied as any other society. Although we (mostly) speak and act as a unified people during times of national crisis, during normal times there's great difference of opinion between individuals, clans and Tribes. Instead of living in a perpetual state of denial and victim blaming, I'd recommend actually investigating the allegations of discrimination rather than simply dismissing them out of hand. According to official census figures Matari make up a third of the Federation's population. That's a rather substantial segment of Gallentean society to treat so dismissively. Even if Federal citizens such as yourself don't see any need for action I'm pretty certain that the politicians courting this huge block of voters will see things differently.
Although we (mostly) speak and act as a unified people during times of national crisis
Hence what's happening now. Discarding the brain during a crises is the first mistake. The Matari can be weaponized against the federation using little more than their own emotions and "heart strings".
This will not end well. |

Shintoko Akahoshi
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
387
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:06:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:This will not end well.
I think you're overworrying about this, Wolfhammer. Rella's right. A third of all Gallente identify as Minmatar. That doesn't mean that they're all sitting around fingering their khumaaks and dreaming of the Republic. They're Gallente. Most of them have been here for generations. Huge swaths of them came here immediately following their emancipation, and have no experience of the Republic at all. They're not "resources" for Shakor to "weaponize".
That's not to say that discrimination and ethnic violence doesn't occur. It does, and it has to be stamped out when it does. This is business as usual, the regular work of trying to make this multicultural stew that we call a Federation work. Discriminatory behavior and ethnic violence should be dealt with for what they are: retrograde behavior at best, criminal at worst.
If I were to pick one thing as the gravest sin of the Gallente - and I mean all of us in the Federation - it would have to be the sin of overreacting. People panic and lose their rationality when enough shocking things happen. If we don't guard against it, mob mentality takes over and our politicians (or those that we install when we, in our panic, vote them in) are too willing to follow the mob off the cliff of reason. Bio and writing
(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated) |
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