I dont get it?

I have amarr bs 5 trained, and im currently flying a nightmare for level 4s in amarr space, but i rarely hear anybody saying anything good about amarr ships these days. Im worried that i made a mistake in going through with amarr bs 5.

Thats for pvp mate.

You can do lvl four missions with a ******* shoe.

You can do lvl four missions with a ******* shoe.

This made me LOL... +1, sir!!

This is a moot point, you can even pvp with an ibis and succeed, getting the job done doesnt mean its very quick or efficient.


What id like to know is why rails are so popular in pvp now?

No one is really flying anything matari that I have seen, although I'm just waiting to see a cruise phoon fleet crop up, and the SFI is being used pretty heavily in the south as a line vessel.

Actually the CFC's maelstrom alpha fleet is still on the burner...it hasn't been dropped. They do still go out on occasion. Haven't sold yours already, have you? >_>

Also I've seen either black legion or retirement club (maybe both?) running around in a cruise phoon/raven fleet...seemed to work well enough.


Overall, rails are common in large fleets atm because they work as a counter to a lot of the other common doctrines, and because both caldari and gallente's fleet-oriented gunships use rails. Also because megathrons look freaking sweet.

I dont get it?

I have amarr bs 5 trained, and im currently flying a nightmare for level 4s in amarr space, but i rarely hear anybody saying anything good about amarr ships these days. Im worried that i made a mistake in going through with amarr bs 5.

Amarr ships require gaurdians because cap sucks, their "fast" battleship is now the apoc, the geddon is a support boat (which I love I may add) and the baddon is a big slow brick.

The meta changes from time to time. If your Nightmare is working for you, work that thing.

If you are following recent doctrines geddon is around a LOT now in fleet stuff, it sudden became the new anti-triage, sentry bombing hotness. The Mega is basically an armor Rokh, that goes a LOT faster. Rokhs are still a thing, Baddons suffer from the fact that they only really work with brick armor tanks + scortch, Rohks are faster because of ~shield tank~ and mega's run circles around them....oh and its a lot harder to bomb mega's into the ground because they don't have the sig bloom of a heavily tanked Rokh.

No one is really flying anything matari that I have seen, although I'm just waiting to see a cruise phoon fleet crop up, and the SFI is being used pretty heavily in the south as a line vessel.

Rails are just a happy medium at the moment, they don't have the cycle time issue that arties do, or the cap issues that lasers do (or fitting if you must beam) and cruise missiles take to long to land to take advantage of their range, and remember that in null everything happens under 150km, because past that you just get scanned and warped to at 0.

Rails are in the middle of all of that.

I read this repeated everywhere at nauseum but I dont really get it...

I mean if something is 100kms from you you can still have your cov op go 60 kms behind it and you warp your fleet to the cov op at 60 and lo you are on top of it....

Is the only difference the time it would take for the cov op to position as opposed to simply warpin straight to the 100% hit? It seems to me to be at best iffy as a reason to ingore > 150kms sniping ability...

Beause slowboat a cov-ops (or worse a recon) inline between two fleets that are running around with MWDs lit and changing direction. While you may get in the ballpark you are rarely going to get that good of a warp in, and unless you have dictors there already, you aren't going to be able to stop the enemy force from just warping. Longer range gangs usually keep an inty of some sort out ahead of the flock for that reason. The enemy warp you bail before they can land and relock.

plus battleships take forever to align, so when you see the align all of a sudden change you know they are coming. If greater than 150km sniping where a thing people would still be doing it. The fact is that you spend more time dodging than shooting.

If you have the enemy main fleet squarely bubbled I see no reason not to come in at 200 kms and take advantage of the "you can not hit me" tank...

"You cannot hit me tanks" are often rather silly

What you want is a "I'm a ******* Rokh" tank.

"You cannot hit me tanks" are often rather silly

What you want is a "I'm a ******* Rokh" tank.

"You cannot hit me tanks" are often rather silly

What you want is a "I'm a ******* Rokh" tank.

Yes if you are interested in holding ground. Not helpful when you are outnumbered though. I am sure I dont need to explain the obvious to a BYDI dude...

This is a moot point, you can even pvp with an ibis and succeed, getting the job done doesnt mean its very quick or efficient.


What id like to know is why rails are so popular in pvp now?

Well that depends on what you are fighting.

If you are fighting something that has the same range as you and ten times the tank you are in trouble.

Well that depends on what you are fighting.

If you are fighting something that has the same range as you and ten times the tank you are in trouble.

Remember that MJDs exist.

Additionally an Eagle fleet (as an example) is a lot harder to hit, better tanked and has a lot better tracking than a Tornado fleet (a lot less alpha of course)... so ... lets just say I dont think that TQ has made the most of the relevant meta yet... I expect we will be seeing more...

Hek they might even start using Cruise missile snipers more ... Burn Eden was doing it even back in 2006 lol...