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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.08.11 08:40:00 -
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Kara Vix wrote:Jorden Ishonen wrote:Umbra Muse wrote:This is not meant I be a point the finger at someone, or call anyone out. Just a fair question wanting your simple opinion.
Do you think corporations who run recruitment scams should be able to post ads on the in game corporation recruitment feature? And if so, why or why not?
Once again, just your honest opinion. No intent on restricting or pushing anything. Of course you nitwit, for the same reason people who post contract scams should be allowed to use the contract system, or margin scammers to use the market system: scamming is an accepted way of making money in EVE. If you're a beginner, you don't have anything worth scamming. If someone does decide to deprive you of your 5 million ISK, guess what? It's not the end of the world. 5 million isk may not seem the end of the world to you or I, but to a new player it could be game breaking. I believe new players should experience the positive aspects of the game before being turned into chum or they may just leave and not have that chance. As a side note, don't give me that harden the **** up nonsense either, there is plenty time for them to harden up as they grow into the game.
and 5m is still a cheap lesson. better they lose 5m and learn it now than lose 500m to learn it later. |
Kara Vix
Sanford and Son Salvage
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Posted - 2013.08.11 08:50:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:and 5m is still a cheap lesson. better they lose 5m and learn it now than lose 500m to learn it later.
I can see your point of view and it is with merit, I just think new players should be protected from scams until they learn the game. No other game lets you scam people and they may enter the game absolutely naive as to what Eve is so there need be better tools to warn them. Even if just a big disclaimer as they undock telling them that people suck, most things are a scam and trust nobody! Bit like real life really. |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
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Posted - 2013.08.11 15:00:00 -
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Kara Vix wrote:Dave Stark wrote:and 5m is still a cheap lesson. better they lose 5m and learn it now than lose 500m to learn it later. I can see your point of view and it is with merit, I just think new players should be protected from scams until they learn the game. No other game lets you scam people and they may enter the game absolutely naive as to what Eve is so there need be better tools to warn them. Even if just a big disclaimer as they undock telling them that people suck, most things are a scam and trust nobody! Bit like real life really.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3422593#post3422593 is where I summed up my point of view previously. Short version, not knowing that players in EVE may try to scam you is like not knowing that some mobs WoW will attack you. Some people may be ignorant of it, but they either learn quick, or learn the hard way.
There's already a system in place to keep people from messing with players in newbie systems, once they leave those systems they are fair game. And again, no one is going to be targeting these guys with recruitment scams. "Yeah, just leave all your stuff and isk with us and we'll get it sent to our home... you have a badger, a Kestrel, and 1,500,000 isk? Yeah...you might want to apply later when you have more, uh, experience."
The information is out there and ridiculously easy to find. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family The Retirement Club
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Posted - 2013.08.11 15:16:00 -
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It is a perfectly fine mechanic. When i need my stuff moved i trade it for zero isk to a corp member and they give it back at the other end. I felt safe doing this because these are people i know. When i first moved to null i had already flown with them for a few weeks and killed a bunch of stuff together. Giving a vast sum of isk for the pleasure of joining a null sec corp and then giving total strangers all your stuff isn't even attempting due dilligence. The people you are refering too can be googled. Many many people have complained of the scam and in fact their own publically available site states in large letters that this is a scam. All the best eve stories involve scams or ganks or spies or awoxing or theft. |
Demica Diaz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:12:00 -
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Yes, great thing about EVE is that it lets people do stuff like that. Makes game quite unique and fun. Now lets be honest if you seek corp and find finally one you think its best for you and you are told to pay 500 million in advance would you really pay? In real life you have all kinds of laws and rules which person can turn to after he gave up his 500 million to join corp but this is EVE. No laws, no rules for that kind of stuff. Decisions YOU make will have impact. |
Obunagawe
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:31:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:I say it should be permitted. Not permitted "legally" as if sanctioned by Concord, but permitted as an in-game hurdle that presents a threat and sense of danger that must be weighed by the prospective recruit as he wrestles with his suspicion, loathing, woe, and dread, while deciding whether or not to trust those people. Another risk to mull over before you decide not to take the big leap into the abyss of the unknowable future! Scary!
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Ranzabar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.12 01:26:00 -
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Whoa! There's scams in this game? Abide |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2013.08.12 03:20:00 -
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Scamming is, and always has been, part of the game. Eve is all about Buyer Beware.
On a personal level: 1. If you're a new player and you lose 50 million to a recruitment scam, well, that's a cheap lesson. Move on. 2. If you're a new player and you lose 5,000 million, well, that's hilarious, put your mom's credit card away. 3. If you're an older player and lose any substantial amount to a recruitment scam, well, god damn, grow a brain already.
No pity on any level. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.12 04:04:00 -
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Kara Vix wrote:Dave Stark wrote:and 5m is still a cheap lesson. better they lose 5m and learn it now than lose 500m to learn it later. I can see your point of view and it is with merit, I just think new players should be protected from scams until they learn the game. No other game lets you scam people and they may enter the game absolutely naive as to what Eve is so there need be better tools to warn them. Even if just a big disclaimer as they undock telling them that people suck, most things are a scam and trust nobody! Bit like real life really.
Warned, yes. I think I read in your earlier post an idea to include a tutorial warning new players of the possibilities of scams, in-game that they should watch-out for. I think that's fair, but "protected"? No. I must disagree with that.
Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
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