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Umbra Muse
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:35:00 -
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This is not meant I be a point the finger at someone, or call anyone out. Just a fair question wanting your simple opinion.
Do you think corporations who run recruitment scams should be able to post ads on the in game corporation recruitment feature? And if so, why or why not?
Once again, just your honest opinion. No intent on restricting or pushing anything. |
Chic Botany
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:45:00 -
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Posting in a "I joined a corp and they stole all my stuffs" thread.
Recruitment scams work, otherwise they wouldn't keep doing it. They might not have the same return as other scams, but it's easy money I guess.
"Use our logistics system to get your stuff to your new home, just contract it to us (no collateral) and we'll move it up for you"
"Send 500mil isk as a 'Security Deposit' - don't worry, if you leave the corp and you've not done anything bad then you get it back"
If anyone is stupid enough to fall for them then they deserve to have their isk/stuffs taken imo. |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
100
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:03:00 -
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I say it should be permitted. Not permitted "legally" as if sanctioned by Concord, but permitted as an in-game hurdle that presents a threat and sense of danger that must be weighed by the prospective recruit as he wrestles with his suspicion, loathing, woe, and dread, while deciding whether or not to trust those people. Another risk to mull over before you take the big leap into the abyss of the unknowable future! Scary!
Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Dave Stark
3319
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:27:00 -
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yes, i do. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3549
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:39:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:yes, i do. QFT |
baltec1
Bat Country
7547
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:52:00 -
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Nothing at all wrong with this. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow
C.L.O.N.E.
1289
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:52:00 -
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People should learn to do some research on the correct way to join a corp before trying to join.
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1945
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:53:00 -
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How much did we take you for? |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3552
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:17:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:How much did we take you for? That reads kind of wrong.... |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1026
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:54:00 -
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absolutely yes.
moral ambiguity and issues of trust are integral parts of eve gameplay and new players should be introduced to them as early as possible. as long as it is clearly communicated to new players that scamming is tolerated in EVE I don't see any issues with this.
(and no, I don't approve of "no scamming" policies in the official recruitment channels either) |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
8566
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Posted - 2013.08.10 08:08:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:(and no, I don't approve of "no scamming" policies in the official recruitment channels either)
Fishing for marks in the recruitment channel is allowed (yes, I realize CCP prefers to say it's "not forbidden") but you're not allowed to post scams in the recruitment channel (i.e. isk doubling scams, "slave sets" with spur omegas, etc.)
Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Tara Read
The Bastards
Shadow Cartel
537
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Posted - 2013.08.10 09:14:00 -
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If you are foolish enough to fall for something that has been bitched about, beaten, and screamed about ever since Eve's inception you deserve to lose every isk. Hell yes scams should be allowed. Why should I lose potential isk because you can't think?
Visit my blog for all the latest in jeers and tears as well as news at hoistthecolors.org |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
742
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:14:00 -
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Yes.
Just assume every player activity in EVE is a scam unless proven otherwise - and it will be much more easy to play [alone]. |
Whitehound
1796
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:28:00 -
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Can you repeat the question?
Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle
Tactical Narcotics Team
1112
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:09:00 -
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They do background checks on you...
You should do background checks on them...
If one side gets ****** over, its their own fault and shouldn't cry about it...
Just like threads like this who had his ISK/assets stolen and corps that get awoxed...
I'm currently taking bets on the following:
- CCP Games becomes EA Games' property.
- EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16004
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:24:00 -
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Yes.
Caveat emptor.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
SpoonRECKLESS
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:36:00 -
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I too like giving my stuff to a person I never met before, and then paying 500mil to join their great amazing corp. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1043
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:37:00 -
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My honest opinion?
Yes.
They should be moved to the top of the list and featured on EVE Spotlight for their great contributions to emergent gameplay.
Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated
Executive Outcomes
145
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Posted - 2013.08.10 23:17:00 -
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Yup. This is a game for grown ups.
Most corps fear spies far more than they care about your stuff. If you have stuff worth that much- you are probably past the point where you should be falling for scams in Eve. No worthwhile corp will ask for anything more than an API verification. If they do, just move on.
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Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
800
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:05:00 -
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Caveat Emptor.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
2187
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:14:00 -
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I'm perfectly fine with it - if you manage to lure someone stupid enough to pay money to join your corp , you deserve it.
On a side note - morons. are recruiting - transfer 100 mill isk to the corp wallet and you're in.
(I will really accept you after the isk has been sent - I call it the qualification fee.)
You know... morons. |
Dyvim Slorm
Dronetech Prime
150
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:20:00 -
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I've never quite understood how anyone can fall for these scams, let's put it into context:
1/ Give me 500 mil in advance to join my corp.
2/ Give me all your stuff to join my corp.
If you fall for it then you deserve all you get, it's so obviously a scam |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.08.11 03:29:00 -
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Umbra Muse wrote:This is not meant I be a point the finger at someone, or call anyone out. Just a fair question wanting your simple opinion.
Do you think corporations who run recruitment scams should be able to post ads on the in game corporation recruitment feature? And if so, why or why not?
Once again, just your honest opinion. No intent on restricting or pushing anything.
The OP, Umbra Muse, didn't complain of having his kewl l3wtz stolen or what not. The way the question is posed is more along the lines of soliciting opinions on an issue to spark conversation. Yet many have jumped to conclude that he's crying or complaining. I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt and just answer the question with points on why it should or should not be permitted, just like he's asked.
It's entirely possible that he got scammed, but it could also be that he read about another player's experiences and while pondering the matter, decided to bring it up for discussion. There was no crying, ranting nor recriminations about the way he asked. He deserves some curtisey, I think.
Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
987
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Posted - 2013.08.11 03:51:00 -
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Umbra Muse wrote:This is not meant I be a point the finger at someone, or call anyone out. Just a fair question wanting your simple opinion.
Do you think corporations who run recruitment scams should be able to post ads on the in game corporation recruitment feature? And if so, why or why not?
Once again, just your honest opinion. No intent on restricting or pushing anything.
Glenn Beck when did you decide to play eve?
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4134
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Posted - 2013.08.11 04:13:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Umbra Muse wrote:This is not meant I be a point the finger at someone, or call anyone out. Just a fair question wanting your simple opinion.
Do you think corporations who run recruitment scams should be able to post ads on the in game corporation recruitment feature? And if so, why or why not?
Once again, just your honest opinion. No intent on restricting or pushing anything. Glenn Beck when did you decide to play eve?
Intelligence agencies don't run recruitment scams, I don't get what you're saying we're being accused of?
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow
C.L.O.N.E.
1300
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Posted - 2013.08.11 04:28:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Umbra Muse wrote:This is not meant I be a point the finger at someone, or call anyone out. Just a fair question wanting your simple opinion.
Do you think corporations who run recruitment scams should be able to post ads on the in game corporation recruitment feature? And if so, why or why not?
Once again, just your honest opinion. No intent on restricting or pushing anything. Glenn Beck when did you decide to play eve?
How else would Glenn Beck have discovered Goons are actually a CIA operation?
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Kara Vix
Sanford and Son Salvage
202
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Posted - 2013.08.11 07:33:00 -
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Recruitment scammers are bottom feeding inter-bred knuckle draggers who probably do more to erode the player base than anything else. That said, I don't see how you can ban them since that game play is encouraged. I think by now most players should know not to give anything to anyone or trust anyone, not even themselves for they may be an evil clone of themselves. The only players who should be protected are new players and if anyone is targeting them, they can rot in the lowest depths of hell (probably already there-in their mommies basement). |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
544
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Posted - 2013.08.11 08:06:00 -
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People using the recruitment tool are more likely to be begginers, so yes this is eve, unfair blablabla... But do we have to cut the grass under the feet of people still trying to learn how to walk ?
However, there is also another option : adding more information to the tutoriel. When you click on the apply to join button for the first time, a message warns you that in eve there is no rule preventing people from stealing eachothers, blablabla.
G££ <= Me |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
120
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Posted - 2013.08.11 08:28:00 -
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Umbra Muse wrote:This is not meant I be a point the finger at someone, or call anyone out. Just a fair question wanting your simple opinion.
Do you think corporations who run recruitment scams should be able to post ads on the in game corporation recruitment feature? And if so, why or why not?
Once again, just your honest opinion. No intent on restricting or pushing anything.
Of course you nitwit, for the same reason people who post contract scams should be allowed to use the contract system, or margin scammers to use the market system: scamming is an accepted way of making money in EVE.
If you're a beginner, you don't have anything worth scamming. If someone does decide to deprive you of your 5 million ISK, guess what? It's not the end of the world.
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Kara Vix
Sanford and Son Salvage
202
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Posted - 2013.08.11 08:32:00 -
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Jorden Ishonen wrote:Umbra Muse wrote:This is not meant I be a point the finger at someone, or call anyone out. Just a fair question wanting your simple opinion.
Do you think corporations who run recruitment scams should be able to post ads on the in game corporation recruitment feature? And if so, why or why not?
Once again, just your honest opinion. No intent on restricting or pushing anything. Of course you nitwit, for the same reason people who post contract scams should be allowed to use the contract system, or margin scammers to use the market system: scamming is an accepted way of making money in EVE. If you're a beginner, you don't have anything worth scamming. If someone does decide to deprive you of your 5 million ISK, guess what? It's not the end of the world.
5 million isk may not seem the end of the world to you or I, but to a new player it could be game breaking. I believe new players should experience the positive aspects of the game before being turned into chum or they may just leave and not have that chance. As a side note, don't give me that harden the **** up nonsense either, there is plenty time for them to harden up as they grow into the game. |
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