What?

Seconded.

The op is providing tactics for dealing with people who run multiple accounts, and everything he says sounds tactically alright :)
you might not have seen them, but recently ive seen people who run 2 accounts when attempting(failing) to solo pvp... And I know there are people who run alot more :)

P.s ISboxxer makes running multiple eve accounts abit easy'er but I am not sure if it is still aloud?

The op is providing tactics for dealing with people who run multiple accounts, and everything he says sounds tactically alright :)
you might not have seen them, but recently ive seen people who run 2 accounts when attempting(failing) to solo pvp... And I know there are people who run alot more :)

P.s ISboxxer makes running multiple eve accounts abit easy'er but I am not sure if it is still aloud?

I just put 10 gila/vexor/nexor/ishtar/domi pilots in the oven. guess what for.

I've had a few long-standing contacts stop talking to me over my use of multiple clients. I think it's due to the simple fact that it shatters the notion of having a god toon that can do everything.

to that, i don't know what to say except stop being spacepoor/i realized in the first week of playing EVE that the easiest way to scale DPS and utility is not in skilling/spec'ing one character, but to have multiple characters. there is simply no better way to increase the effectiveness of your consciousness using one character.

with a gang, you are centralized command and control.

also, scouting with alts seems to be a generally accepted tactic. so i don't see why applying the logic to DPS/ewar/logi/boosts is any different. oh, and mining. basically, imo, if you skill and manage the character, you deserve to have it--whether it's one or 20.

after 3 weeks from birth my 10 sentry pilots will be carrying the DPS of a Nyx. until this point, I have not used ISboxer, but after considering the instantaneous drone assist assignment switches and high slot dps that can be activated, I may start.

if ISBoxer is banned, and the drone assist function is nerfed, that's ok too. at worst, drone dps is independent of targeting and you can jam/neut the hull all you want until it's popped, but drones will continue to function; good luck.

even without ISboxer, it's only a matter of clicking on the client window and pressing a hotkey.

lastly, you can baww about trends that work, or you can get with them. when i hear arguments to ban multiboxers, i have to wonder what the true reason is; are you unable to sub them, do you lack the brain cpu to manage them, or do you think EVE should be pure due to RP reasons?

btw, it's good that you are thinking tactically, but you are underestimating your opponent/their chess pieces move as fast as yours; I have recons too.

Ya sure like if you are going to fly 10 BS's without getting noticed by any fleets, a simple pimp bomb would pretty much kill you right there. (a few BS's with smartbombs getting dropped by a Titan bridge)

All you need is anything to get close to you at all, simple ceptors go to ups of 6000m/s, just drop a dead bait run a frig your way drop cyno or warp in BS's. You don't even really need a titan... it does make you look cooler tho.

OP, pop quiz (quick!)

you see a gang of 10 Ishtars, 2 Scimis, a Claymore, a Vulture, a Damnation, an Onyx, and a Harpy.

what do you do.

bingo.

...promise?

at any point do you think OP considered bait.

anyway. the topic might be 'how to anti-multibox' but that doesn't mean it's the question OP should be concerned with. it's more like... how often does OP think a fleet or gatecamp is not just two people with 5/6/7 toons each.

consider how difficult it is to 'herd the cats', compared to the consistency of just one player waiting for their target. when the player is ready to camp, the fleet is ready to camp. when it's time to pack up, they pack up.

my main point is... instead of trying to be some kind of EVE purist, the correct way to anti-multibox is to multibox.

Some of the people who ISOBox probably don't have friends and play in isolation. I feel sorry for them.

the most effective war on isboxing would be finding a way to get CCP to ban it.

Its been a subject for a while that people cant do anything about someone having 12 accounts with 4 guards, well i multibox mainly because i have triple screen and i logi often enough with 3 T1 amarr logistics in FW, so maybe i see something differently?....

Tactic:

Use modules to make different problems in different screens that he does not see (probable)
ECM:
-cycle and jam different logistics ship, creating the problem of him having to re lock
Damps:
-cycle ships again with allot of damps, when you see hes chain broken you can instead of range damp sensor damp

You can combine ECM and Damps for greater effect

Neuts:
-When jammed if you are in range of hes logistic team its a good dea to have single neuts on every ship, because most logis can still rep with 2-3 RR module even without a chain.(if setup for cap ether then EW resistance)

Webs:
They will need to move no matter what subcap warefare does not come static, if they are meant to kite bringing a webbing ship to leave one behind is important, just make sure they cant kill you so pick something like a frigate to web. Or a T2 recon

And there you go, thats why you dont see allot of them in PvP, i know people said its IMPOSSIBLE to beat them when they get that much, but here you have some tips and tricks that enables you do kill a few of them with only 1-2 ships even.

The idea came to me when i saw people using ISBoxer on test server, i saw he had 4 guards on grid with like 10 BS's, so i though well lets take a Falcon on grid an annoy them, Multiboxers or not. He finish a few minutes after leaving grid giving up by how hard keeping up with the chain was.
Then he came back in hes regular setup, 10 Moros's... well something like that i dont remember the exact numbers

But multiboxing is not easy, its just easy when you make it easy on him and try to fight what hes trying to resist, instead use things rats dont do and that hes not trying to resist. And make sure you cycle around, thats my biggest problem when multiboxing even when seeing whats happening, i cant keep up with the change of DPS + Neuts + Damps Cycle or ECM. Dont just try to perma jam a single ship and perma neut another.

Toy him a bit.

Any how that's just logic to me but hopefully it helps someone out.

imo theres a difference between some dude with 5 screens and a account on each of them and some dude that minimizes 15 accounts and has all of its buttons shown and interact-able on just 1 screen....
Rain's picture vs isboxer.....one is multiboxing the other is just bullshit....i mean people doing incursions with their own entire fleet for example....is that really how they want this game to be played? 0.o

imo theres a difference between some dude with 5 screens and a account on each of them and some dude that minimizes 15 accounts and has all of its buttons shown and interact-able on just 1 screen....
Rain's picture vs isboxer.....one is multiboxing the other is just bullshit....i mean people doing incursions with their own entire fleet for example....is that really how they want this game to be played? 0.o

are you people dense? "counter to multibox"? what the hell are you talking about? how about we change that to "counter to small fleet flying xxxx doctrine"?

10 caracals with 4 ospreys as support? how about you drop 10 mallers with augoros as support?

anything else is you being ******** and trying to come up with some idiotic and over complicated solution to a very simple problem...

I like this guy.

Also, I use ISboxer. Below is the first version of my fleet, mining of course, to get used to using the dashboard setup before using it in missions or other combat stuff. Its been adjusted since then, (locations and size of windows and such) but its a pretty damn efficient setup. If anyone who multiboxes 3+ accounts doesnt use ISBoxer, they're doing it wrong.

http://i.imgur.com/nMOfpSI.jpg


((Side note, I did pay 10 misk per miner for my New Order Mining Permits, because its the right thing to do, even just as a rare visitor to high sec space, the domain of James315))

lols look at what i was telling you, now hes trying to see all the locks, but he only has space for 3 locks per ship, its fine keep mining. I have more then 3 accounts and don't boter with ISKboxer, i just got a few screens so i can see everything. Proper equipment lets say.

Its ok that you missed the part where I said its the first variation and that its been changed a bit since then. I wasnt trying to see all the locks at once, I only wanted 3 targets viewable at a time for the mining fleet. Its since been expanded for all pilots to 5 since I dont need to see more than that as logi in my 5 person fleet, and watchlists have been added as well to make it a bit easier to re-target fleet members for the logi part of it. The first and second versions were also before I found out you could change the size of the viewing window compared to the source window and still keep it readable if the ratio was the same.

Perhaps you should try using your brain and realize things change over time

Well no, you still cant keep up with the information, at 5 ships is hardly possible for a human brain to keep up, its known you can only keep up to 5 thins in your memory at once, a bit like you only see 60 fps, its not clear like bytes, but its a limit.
Showing your self all the information means you'll trip out on how much things you need to look over on, if its changing all the time.
Try to keep up with a few different EW, neuts switching around, cap empty here, DPS going from A to B, lose locks on logi A but dont know till you look at it again, and with what ever you are trying to move to with your fleet.

Its not possible, a normal fleet fight will even become hard, its not like ISDboxer will help you more then 3 screens will.

Having all the information condensed and more organized means you dont have to look over at it, like another screen. You will near instantly see you are jammed. With a dashboard setup, you will have all vital information at hand. Yes, its difficult to manage neuts and jams, but its not impossible and with practice, using 5 accounts in this fashion becomes "normal", as someone mentioned before. Digesting massive amounts of information becomes easier over time and the issues you describe become second nature to counter.

Its also *ISBOXER*. Dunno why you're fat fingering it every time you type it out.....

stuff and


Ok then show me these screen shots with kill mails when you get them

umm i dont even multi anything lol.. but have you even looked it up.. i doubt it will be banhammered its got EVE tm all over the place. just saying

they have more weakness's then normal players do

I disagree.

-coordinated fitting
-coordinated coordination
-multiboxes "normalize"

Without having tried ISBoxer yourself you have no grounds to comment on how it works and what it's strength and weaknesses are. It makes you look like an idiot IMHO.

ya i get that but it was mentioned in a couple post's .. i'd like to think a corp would be able to handle a ISBoxer or multi ..but whatever call me old school

Solution to isBoxer is Blob

Come to think of it.
Solution to everything is Blob

What difference does it make if its 12 guys with 1 client or 1 guy with 12 clients ?
Its just a fleet at end of day, bring a better fleet or run away.

Stop being a jealous lil noob crying about what other people have.

Some of the people who ISOBox probably don't have friends and play in isolation. I feel sorry for them.

Without having tried ISBoxer yourself you have no grounds to comment on how it works and what it's strength and weaknesses are. It makes you look like an idiot IMHO.

isobox is unfair to the eve community at large because it encourages anti-social behavior. EVE is a great game because its much more about real-life ability than in-game skill points.

To be honest, while I don't like ISBoxers particularly, if you cannot get 10 identically ( to a reasonable degree) fitted DPS ships with reasonable skills together in a gang that maybe the ISBoxer isn't actually the problem.

While ISBoxing confers standardisation in fitting and SP a gang of 12 separate people can still offer that too a reasonable degree while adding the experience and ability to manage situations of 12 separate people, this can be an asset or a chore, the key is to make it the former.

I should really make a ginger Rain

the most effective war on isboxing would be finding a way to get CCP to ban it.

Nice necro. Here's some cheese for your whine.

Well let me put it this way: This whole thread is about why CCP allows it and that they've consistently been aware of its existence and your whole post was about CCP needing to investigate this and what not. Let people play the game as they so desire. You came out on top, congrats.

so that means u are good at eve coz u use ISBOXER and i m not coz i dont ??

multiboxing is not a function of irl friends. some people live with their friends who all play eve and multibox.



battleships are played out. but in some predictable, low-risk situations where a hp tank is required such as incursions, a domi gang might happen.

otherwise, a bloated sig res and radius combined with slow speeds is not the best option for multiboxing.

battleships. most likely hacs. you underestimate your opponent.

With ISBoxer people can multibox entire Incursion fleets. I personally do agree ISBoxer should be bannable since its giving a massive advantage to people and causes EVE to cross onto Pay To Win which it shouldn't be.

People +2B ISK per hour with the ISBoxer incursion fleets I really do agree ISBoxer should be banned.

Sometimes I ask myself: Am I the only one in this universe who plays on a single account?

Maybe I'm just too Newb still...

EVE is designed to promote multiplayer, and I say this based on the fact that remote assistance is more efficient than local modules. every slot you use for reps, cap, sensor strength, tackle... detracts from the potential of your ship, and is better accomplished with another ship that has the related role bonus(es).

You use this to your advantage by having those extra ships.

When you consider faction vs T2 vs T3 with this in mind, you begin to see that increased hull cost is a premium you pay for trying to do so much with 1 character/hull.

I still don't think you understand. I use recons, too, and they're boosted.

//have you seen this? http://i.imgur.com/Bq0ITNW.jpg

Sometimes I ask myself: Am I the only one in this universe who plays on a single account?

Maybe I'm just too Newb still...

i have sent a petition to CCP 24 hours ago hasnt got any rely.. but i will wait and see what they has to say

i was just hink if i roam with 5 aslt frig or say zealot using ISBOXING that will be a small size armor hac gang ...

i dont have to ping for ppl to join fleet........ i just just solo it .. what a nice thing ...

I do, 1 character, 1 account.

Besides the forums alts ofc.

So dropping cans will act like chaff/flares against an isbox setup? I have mental images of people carrying 2000 tritanium in single increments in their holds now...jettison...jettison...jettison...

Actually a module to that effect might not be so bad, takes 'decoy'; ammo and dumps out lots of drones that have similar sig radius (through light reflective surfaces, radar return amplification etc). Might allow for some interesting gate camp tactics...let arriving fleets muddy the field of battle a bit and get into some semblance of attck formation before being hammered...

So dropping cans will act like chaff/flares against an isbox setup? I have mental images of people carrying 2000 tritanium in single increments in their holds now...jettison...jettison...jettison...

Actually a module to that effect might not be so bad, takes 'decoy'; ammo and dumps out lots of drones that have similar sig radius (through light reflective surfaces, radar return amplification etc). Might allow for some interesting gate camp tactics...let arriving fleets muddy the field of battle a bit and get into some semblance of attack formation before being hammered...

I originally listed a few examples in this post, but I have now edited it out on account of not wanting to screw myself over by giving you scrubs any good tips

There is goon isboxer running around and he is a very capable pilot I think he has more going than isboxer. something is smelling fishy. He did 2 perfect bombing runs under 3 mins apart with our fleet warping around, with no probes on scan?
He has bombed some claoky ships at safes.
I really think he'd make an awesome pilot but I really have lost respect for him with his isboxer stuff. Odd he plays alone when in goons! How much of a loser you have to be when goons won't fly with you. If normal guys setup that bomb run I would have total respect in my death but using isboxer, meh