I don't know about you but I bought this for the Art Books and Rifter model, everything else is a bonus in my books.

The Board game will end up being the most used thing though.

Sure, some people might be interested in the art book and the board game but I for one play EVE to play the actual game. I don't want things that move my focus away from the game, I want things that move my attention towards the game.

I know alot of people who have bought collectors edition packs in the past, myself included, and I find that most of the real life items just end up on the shelf. You browse through the art book once and then you leave it lying around for good.

I'm not expecting everyone to be like me but I would still suspect that anyone who buys that collectors edition wants it to be super unique on every level, but it's not imo.



Of course, that's one way to do it but still.. wouldn't you want the CE to be so unique you wanted to buy it because it gave you something that's actually unique and worth keeping forever and not something that you will sell instantly because you can sell the "loot" and get a free Art Book and rifter device?

Sure, some people might be interested in the art book and the board game but I for one play EVE to play the actual game. I don't want things that move my focus away from the game, I want things that move my attention towards the game.

I know alot of people who have bought collectors edition packs in the past, myself included, and I find that most of the real life items just end up on the shelf. You browse through the art book once and then you leave it lying around for good.

I'm not expecting everyone to be like me but I would still suspect that anyone who buys that collectors edition wants it to be super unique on every level, but it's not imo.

So you did not know what was in it when you bought it?

I Haven't bought it and make no mistake, I can afford it. It's just that I dont feel the contents are EVE focused enough and I'm sure there's more people out there who thinks the same.

Come on guys, this is the fooken 10 year EVE online celebration Collectors Edition pack. This pack should be so filled with awesomeness every hardcore EVE player should want one but it's just filled with feelings of ... .. meh.

So, your parents didn't give you the $150 for it...

Also, in other "box sets" you get FAR LESS, then what you get in this one!

Parents? I'm 29 years old for christ sake, not even going to comment on that any further.

Oh really.. yeah.. sounds about right.

Give me the name of one Collectors Edition that gave you tons of bonuses in another game that you don't play. A matter of fact, does anyone here play Dust?

As a pirate I would have to say if you have a golden pod I will try my best to pod you. Don't know if that's a benefit.

QQ moar, OP. CE is fine. i like all the little goodies. even the dust stuff that i'll never use.

Mystery code.

Which will continue to give us stuff for years to come.

OK what I want are responses from people who aren't complete fanboys of CCP.

People who are not "complete fanboys" would probably not even consider buying the CE. I know I didn't. These things are always full of pointless crap.

Yes maybe, but one would still expect more useful , unique items from a 10 year celebration of EVE. I'm sure they'd sell a hell of alot more CE's if they would actually include something special.

OK what I want are responses from people who aren't complete fanboys of CCP.

OK what I want are responses from people who aren't complete fanboys of CCP.

Says who? That code could be anything from pretty useful to completely useless.

There are no guarantees what-so-ever that the code will grant you anything worth keeping. Could be more Dust stuff (yay!).

A matter of fact it's more likely to be Dust stuff or other CCP projects because the description clearly states: "will grant owners special, but currently secret, benefits related to future CCP products and events."

Future CCP products and events. EVE is no CCP future product, it has already been released. It's a current product.

Can you name another CE that had "useful , unique items?"

Why start a rant about it? If it doesn't look like a good deal don't get it. Problem solved.

OK what I want are responses from people who are in unreserved agreement with me.

Ok. It's a great CE, since it contains all the usual stuff and also some pretty fun and oddball components. There you go.

You have no clue what the word great means.

I'd say there's not a single CE out there that doesn't have items in it that you won't find anywhere else.

Because I love EVE and I've been playing since 2004 so I really want to buy it but there's just no incentive what-so-ever.

You like all the little Dust stuff that you'll never use?

OK what I want are responses from people who aren't complete fanboys of CCP.

What you just said was basically this:

"Yeah I love it all, I don't care what useless crap they throw at me, as long as it's from CCP it's all good."

You will NEVER use it, just using your words. Think about that for more than one nano second.

... then you don't want to buy it

i mean trying to find a reason to buy something you don't like, just because it has a certain brand on it, is not thinking very well, is it? you don't need to rage over people who do like it

you attack a dude for saying he likes it despite his not going to use some parts of it, calling him a 'fanboy'

but you say you're wanting to buy it despite not liking any of it, then start getting angry

that's not very clever, is it

Isn't that the definition of the word fanboy? Someone who doesn't care that will always support the company no matter what?

My point is to get CCP to understand that the CE is useless in it's current form.

GǪexcept that he didn't say he doesn't care, or that he supports the company no matter what. So if that's the definition of fanboy, then your use of it is completely off.

Oh so in your world a fanboy is someone who explicitly states that he is a fanboy?

No. In my world, a fanboy is someone who expresses fanboy tendencies. Kind of like you, who is adamant about wanting to buy something that you quite obviously don't want to buy, just because of the branding.

Meanwhile, Domer makes a judgement call: there is enough in the CE to make it worth it for him GÇö including things he may or may not make use of, but which still seem neat. Again, you're making the faulty generalisation that, just because you have no use for a certain thing, it is universally and objectively useless.

Oh, and IBTL.

Sigh. You have no clue what you're talking about. I'm done arguing with you.

You are confusing me with you, and you have to start before you can GÇ£be doneGÇ¥. So far, you've just hurled abuse at people who don't accept your subjective butthurt-fanboyism as any kind of objective truth.

In the meantime, the non-fanboy answer seems to be GÇ£yeah, it's neatGÇ¥.

Lol i wish they would send a gift Card for a full sleve tatoo of your choice, in RL... Would be awsome! Surely i would buy it then!

8/10 for stealth "bring microtransactions into eve" thread.

Sell in game stuffs for ISK, buy PLEX, don't pay your sub until PLEX runs out.

The thrasher and tattoo can be sold for a quick 1.5 Bil which equals roughly $45. That's 1/3 the price right there.

I'm seeing buy orders for the Golden POD in the billions ATM.

Sell that with the other codes, get your money back one way or another.

"Free" cool IRL stuff...

Celebrating EVE's 10 year anniversary with something epic is hardly a stealth microtransaction, it's the bare minimum god damnit. Everything is tradable ingame, anyone who wants a CE can buy it and sell the loot ingame. No microtransaction there, just a way to praise a great game. No difference between that and buying a plex.

I expected something ultra epic.

How would you feel if you invited someone to your 30th birthday and they brought you a gift.

Once you get rid of all the wrapping paper you find alot of stuff that you have no use for. About 80% of it will be left untouched for the forseeable future.

I can see it in front of me: "Wow nice.. a pair of tickets to a Justin Bieber concert.. ehm.. You know I don't like JB right?"

GOOD TO HAVE is your friends response.

Yes, the gift you get for your 30th birthday is a bunch of stuff you will never use. It's like giving a crippled man, paralyzed from the waist down, a pair of rollerblades god damnit. Sure he can put em on, but he will never actually put them to good use.

Oh yeah.. he wants you to give him 150 euros for it.

Enjoy.

Then why waste your money on CE just buy a plex. The dust **** is a joke who the **** plays that crap game.

Give me the name of one Collectors Edition that gave you tons of bonuses in another game that you don't play. A matter of fact, does anyone here play Dust?

I was expecting alot more to be honest. A unique ship with a unique design is the very least I would expect from a 10 year celebration COLLECTORS EDITION pack.

...

Alot of useless items for 150 euros.

I do (occasionally) for one, my son for another... and slowly my corporation seems to be acquiring a small population of the little buggers.

I've been keeping tabs on it myself. I probably won't get too involved until it's had a year or so to be fleshed out.... just like it took EVE a couple of years to actually turn into something playable (and then went on to become great).

It just seems to be how CCP rolls, but they make it work.

i don't have to like my own posts, my likes are 100% legit pity likes for my sorry unfunny shitposting

Okay, when Dragon Age Origins was released the CE came with a code for Blood Dragon Armor for Mass Effect 2. I believe other EA Games like Dead Space came with codes as well. At least DUST takes place in the same universe as Eve!

so I'm guessing you haven't gotten your life sized bestower delivered to your house yet? it may take a while to get it there.

I'd laugh if the worthless mystery code is redeemable for a guardian-vexor once the last CE is sold....

Instead of releasing more Gold Magnates on special occasions, 10 year anniversarys for example

Yes maybe, but one would still expect more useful , unique items from a 10 year celebration of EVE. I'm sure they'd sell a hell of alot more CE's if they would actually include something special.

And there you have it folks, he's bitching and whining because it doesn't include something stupid rare...

Not at all, if you'd take 1 minute of your precious time to read the post I was replying to you'd know what I was talking about.

But you didn't so, get out.

Yes I did actually, all you've ever done in this thread is b*tch and moan about something you claim not to give a **** about and not going to purchase.

I'll stick to my original point that you're nothing but a child, kicking and screaming cos something that you want doesn't have as much as you want in it. So you come here, and literally cry about it not having enough awesomeness for your liking in the hopes that some random Dev will come along and say "Just because you're ~so~ special (***** and whine) I'll give you something special. Will that make everything better?"

So in closing STFU and GTFO you whiny little *****...

No, I'm actually going to stick around, call you a child a few times here and there...

Because, that's exactly what you are!

OOhhh.. So you're going to compare CCP to EA huh? EA who has won the "Worst company in America" award twice in a row now?

You do that man.. do that.. Enjoy your 400k Magnate. Erhm.. I mean Tash-Murkon Magnate. Sorry, having trouble keeping the two apart.

To EA's defence, at least Mass Effect 2 was released on the PC which actually made the codes redeemable because Dragon Age and Mass Effect are similar games set in different universes where EVE is a space MMO for the PC and Dust is a FPS for the PS3 only I believe?

I can understand your anger, judging by your twitter account you seem like a very lonely guy who has dedicated his life to EVE.

You spent your New Years EVE in Jita. Damn man.. That's an all time low in my book.

Your Twitter page even has your EVE ingame avatar name listed instead of your real name which is kind of disturbing.

The most interesting thing happening in your life is the EVE USB Rifter that you're going to get by mail.

You work in a warehouse and judging by your photos you don't have a GF, you also like to eat lots of unhealthy food which kind of explains why nobody wants you.

Poor+Lonely = Angry.

Source: https://twitter.com/AzamiNevinyrall

@OP

Maybe instead of complaining and moaning about the product you could spend a bit more time explaining us how dumb you are for not reading package contents, how dumb for not being able to use your neurons if you ever have any left to do something more interesting of your life than brainless choices and complain about it's someone else fault.

I understand when you're in hurry for a poo specially if it's diarrhea, but when you buy something without a single thought on it and then complain, specially in this forum, makes you look really good and at all like a random brainless pawn.

Keep going the good stuff, tell us more about your life.

I'm going to have to agree with this guy here, solely based on the fact that you actually googled me up , in a vain attempt to find something to insult me with.

OP has some serious issues...

As a pirate I would have to say if you have a golden pod I will try my best to pod you. Don't know if that's a benefit.

Why are you being so hostile? You literally asked a simple question that was answered without me even giving my opinion of the product in question. I also feel as though buying Dead Space for a Dragon Age code is at least as genre bending as Eve and Dust.

i also have this opinion of the CE and its the reason I'm not buying it. The symphony soundtrack and the eve booklet are the only things that are of any particular use. I might pay 50 bucks for the soundtrack and the booklet but the other crap isn't adding 100 dollars on top.

for the rest of the stuff,
It's like offering a bunch of functionally identical collectible spoons from each country to someone who wants a bunch of different pieces of cutlery to better their meal-eating experience. Last time you offered vanity items for purchase people started getting annoyed, this is pretty much the same case except with the two reasonable items in there to offset people's annoyance. Can you actually make the stuff useful perhaps?

I Haven't bought it and make no mistake, I can afford it. It's just that I dont feel the contents are EVE focused enough and I'm sure there's more people out there who thinks the same.

Come on guys, this is the fooken 10 year EVE online celebration Collectors Edition pack. This pack should be so filled with awesomeness every hardcore EVE player should want one but it's just filled with feelings of ... .. meh.

I don't know if the code cannot be used on an existing account, but if not, check this out: Send a buddy invite to myself. Sign up with the new account. Yet another "free" month, then I can spend 2 months of training a specialized character that I can sell on the character forums at some point (or use as another market or research alt or something). Not so bad.

Future CCP products and events. EVE is no CCP future product, it has already been released. It's a current product.

what about "future events" then?

What about free air-ticket to next FanFest or something?

Many people are saying there is a lot of "cool" stuff in the CE set. The problem is it should be fairly useful stuff, not just cool stuff.

Especially when we're talking about in game items.

This is wishful thinking here but my kind of 10th anniversary collectors would have the history book and the soundtrack, but instead of random in game stuff, it would have other memorabilia from the eve community that contribute to the game. I dunno, eve fiction book, reprinted EON magazine collectors edition, other stuff that illustrates the community's development in 10 years. Even a poster of the game's development timeline (like what changes came into play when) or a new map of eve's systems would be nicer than what's in there right now. Dust items? This is eve collector's edition, not dust 1 year anniversary edition.

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Many people are saying there is a lot of "cool" stuff in the CE set. The problem is it should be fairly useful stuff, not just cool stuff.

Dude, could you please explain what the difference between:

1. Buying an awesome Collectors Edition for 150 euro and getting super awesome ships bundled with it.

VS

2. Buying 8 plex that you sell ingame for isk and buying any ship, rookie ship to Dreadnought basically.

There is no difference, there's just this EVE sickness where people think microtransactions are pay to win.

This game is already pay to win. Deal with it.

That ISK was earned by players. The "super awesome ships" appeared from nowhere.

And btw how is that not pay to win? Just because the ISK came from the people and not the "government"? The player buying plexes is still paying to win. Plexes are pretty much just gametime.

I could, theoretically, buy plexes for a billions of dollars and buy every player in EVE to fly under my flag and conquer all of 0.0 space. I could hire an army.

I paid 150 solely for the usb rifter just to have a physical model of one of my favorite ships in the game. Ill pay more money for more models. Whats wrong with moar usb ports??
Check out my awesome tat :P

I'm no market expert, but I think that's not possible. PLEX price is not fix and there is only so much demand. No, I think that wouldn't work.

And btw how is that not pay to win?

After some time plexes would be dirt cheap which means more people could afford them but the billionaire doesn't care, he can sell them for 50 mil a pop and still earn:

2,500,000,000,000,000 isk, 2,5 quadrillion isk, plus all the plexes u sold at current prices.

Because no GÇ£winGÇ¥ is bought with your money, only grinding time. PLEX is not P2W for the same reason as running L4 missions is not P2W: because all you're doing is exchanging time for a currency that offers no guarantees for success.

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How is buying plexes not a guarantee for success? I'd say it's exactly what it is.
You have no idea where that isk is coming from, might as well be from a mining bot which is equal to a money printing machine.

Can you prove that CCP ain't buying plexes? Until you can prove that your point is moot.

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Please try to be respectful of your fellow players, and only post comments that further the discussion.

How is buying plexes not a guarantee for success?

Can you prove that CCP ain't buying plexes?

Also, nobody has demanded uber ships, but do you really think a Tash-Murkon Magnate should have the exact same stats like a regular Magnate?

Rofl, if you actually believe that then I don't know what to say. A rich guy secretly drops a ton of cash into plex, nobody knows about it, but just because you say so he is completely unable to win anything.

Right now there's buyorders for Plexes that equals about 594 billion isk, that's just counting what he could raise within 10 minutes, not what he could secretly raise over one year period.

Because all you get is either game time or ISK, depending on what you do with them, and neither of those two win you anything. Hell, not even the ISK is guaranteedGǪ

Yes: it's the null hypothesis. If you want to claim that they're ruin their own game economy (and counteracting their efforts to balance the prices by storing and injecting confiscated PLEXes), then you cough some proof to support that assertion.

Absolutely. Preferably, it should have somewhere between worse and no stats. Having better stats is an uber ship, and thus in every way an abomination that has no place in the game.

Yes. Because it has been tried, and it didn't work because the market reacted and because ISK doesn't actually win anything. In order to win, you need numbers and skills and determination. ISK GÇö especially if only acquired through PLEX GÇö might buy you a very tiny number, but not enough to matter and certainly not enough to overcome the other two.

It wouldn't be particularly secret, for one, and for another, you're still missing out on the simple fact that there's a cap on how many he can sell. You're looking at the wrong number. The one you want is monthly volume and monthly average. Now compare that to the one trillion net ISK that is injected into the economy every day, and see what relative amount of GǣwinGǥ flooding the PLEX market will buy youGǪ

???

The whole topic is a troll...


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The isk is guaranteed because you get to review every sell order before you sell it

Their efforts to balance the economy?

You seem to be incredibly naive if you think CCP isn't doing stuff behind the scenes that they don't want us to know about.

Maybe, but having the exact same stats makes no sense

It has been tried? Source please. It didn't work? Source please.

The isk is guaranteed because you get to review every sell order before you sell it
GǪbut there is no guarantee that there are any sell orders to begin with, and even if there are, there are no guarantees that you'll get what you think is a fair price for them.

Some CCP friendly talk about how they are the knights in shining armor, there to truthfully defend the plexes at all costs.

More relevantly: you have no proof that they are. If you do, cough it up.

Of course it does. It means it's a special-edition ship that only really has a value as a show-off item or as a collectible, because there is no reason to use it over the normal ship.

BoB and The Big Blue are perfect examples of this: all their ISK didn't save them because ISK doesn't create the cohesion and drive that actually wins anything.

As for the PLEX market, no, there would be no riots if you filled every PLEX buy order. But there would be no more PLEX buy orders GÇö this is the point you keep missing.

Yea to you maybe, but you seem to be easily fooled knowing that you actually believe in everything that CCP tells you/us.
Selling something that is identical to the original ship claiming that it's special when it's not is just marketing 101.

It's like LOTR. First they release the movie in the theatre and you go and see it, then they release it on dvd and you buy it, then you watch it on TV with all the commercials etc.

In the end they've sold the same product three times to you. Very much like this garbage Magnate, same thing with shiny wrapping paper around it. Consider yourself owned by CCP's marketing department.

I don't know what you've been smoking but it must have been some strong stuff man.

Oh my god.. I feel like I'm talking to a wall.
I provide proof that CCP is full of crooks, you tell me I have none.

It's like LOTR. First they release the movie in the theatre and you go and see it, then they release it on dvd and you buy it, then you watch it on TV with all the commercials etc.

BoB is a perfect example of a rich organization that couldn't stave off smaller entities?

Who cares!?!?

OOhhh.. So you're going to compare CCP to EA huh? EA who has won the "Worst company in America" award twice in a row now?

You do that man.. do that.. Enjoy your 400k Magnate. Erhm.. I mean Tash-Murkon Magnate. Sorry, having trouble keeping the two apart.

To EA's defence, at least Mass Effect 2 was released on the PC which actually made the codes redeemable because Dragon Age and Mass Effect are similar games set in different universes where EVE is a space MMO for the PC and Dust is a FPS for the PS3 only I believe?

Oh my god.. I feel like I'm talking to a wall.
I provide proof that CCP is full of crooks, you tell me I have none.

It's like LOTR. First they release the movie in the theatre and you go and see it, then they release it on dvd and you buy it, then you watch it on TV with all the commercials etc.

BoB is a perfect example of a rich organization that couldn't stave off smaller entities?

The aforementioned mystery billionaire does because it means there is an upper limit to how much ISK he can buy for his money, which means that even if ISK somehow guaranteed a win, and even if the ISK itself was guaranteed, the amount of GÇ£winGÇ¥ would be very limited in the overall scale of things. There are multiple trillionaires in the game. There are corporations and alliances out there that have several of them in their midst. If ISKGåÆwin, they would have won long ago and the game would already be over. Fortunately, your supposition is false, so the inevitable conclusion has failed to manifest itself.

I'll put it as plainly as possible and maybe you will get it. PLEX can only ever buy you one of two things: time or ISK. ISK can only ever get you what other people are willing to sell you, and none of them will sell you a GÇ£winGÇ¥ because it's not something that can be bought and sold, but rather a result of far bigger processes than making your wallet blink. ISK may help you buy the tools you need to win, but it will never buy you the win itself GÇö that one you have to achieve on your own. Meanwhile, time does not provide you with any kind of GÇ£winGÇ¥ either (except maybe in the most negative sense of GÇ£not losingGÇ¥ while you outlast someone). Time offers you opportunities to put your tools to use, but it will never offer you the win itself GÇö that one you have to achieve on your own.

So no. PLEX is not P2W in any sense of the word.

(...)If currency can buy you the presidency of the United States of America which it often does knowing how much a campaign costs then rest assured that a certain amount of isk and determination could win you EVE. From now on I'll ignore your posts because talking to a know-it-all brick wall forum warrior who likes his own posts is just a waste of my time.

Feel Good Question of the Day:

What do you care? Besides trolling the hell out of this thread, what do you care? DUST doesn't affect you. If you don't like a product don't buy it. Nobody is making you buy it. If you don't like DUST don't play it. CCP isn't holding a gun to your head saying, "Buy a PS3 and play DUST". Guess what? If I don't like your car, I'm not going to walk up to you and tell you I don't like it. I'm never going to drive it. What do I care?

EVE isn't just EVE Online. EVE is the universe CCP is making. DUST = EVE just as much as EVE = DUST. They're different access points to the same universe, just like the forums are an access point into the community, just like 3rd party tools are access points into the EVE universe, etc etc.

I'll tell you what, why don't you ask CCP to roll Tranquility back to v1.0 for 1 whole day. Tell me how great of a game EVE was back then.

The collectors edition, in my eyes, is a celebration of 10 years of New Eden, of which EVE has been the gateway for. The art display in New York isn't an EVE Online display. It's about New Eden. DUST is a part of New Eden. EVE is just a part of New Eden. We're celebrating 10 years of citizenship and development of the universe we love.

So troll somewhere else or unsub if you hate it so badly. You aren't loosing anything. You certainly aren't gaining anything, but today is just like yesterday for you -- Another walk through the **** of life.

That's factually false. Reading your posts, it looks like you have a dangerous tendency to mistake your opinion for facts.

I could waste another 15 minutes of my precious time to answer your crazy posts but it's not worth it

If currency can buy you the presidency of the United States of America

Ok so an election campaign is something that costs zero dollars now too.

Am I not entitled to an opinion?

So let me get this straight, just because nobody is forcing me to buy the Collectors Edition doesn't mean I shouldn't voice my opinion of how they should have done it? Am I not entitled to an opinion? Is the general discussion section a place where people should keep their mouth shut and just eat whatever is fed to them?

Do you live in North Korea or what? If so, say hello to Kim Jong-Un from me because from what I'm reading you are used to being told what to do and what to think. I hear that people who have opinions about how stuff should be get killed over there so I completely understand your post.

I am entitled to enjoy (the underdeveloped and not as good a CoD or BF because it's not those games nor should it try to pretend to be) DUST just as much as you're entitled to your own (factually incorrect and poorly supported) opinion. And I can do so without vetting it with someone as ill-important on these forums as you.

Unique ships should be truly unique: Good point GêÜGêÜGêÜ
60 days of time should be applicable to current account: Good point GêÜGêÜGêÜ

The rest: wat

I like how everything that the OP personally finds "useless" is brushed over. You know, the OP. The guy who bought and paid for the CE. The contents of which he was perfectly aware of when he purchased it.

"I bought an art book and Dust items that I thought would be useless. And now I am Upset because I have received said items."

Ok so an election campaign is something that costs zero dollars now too. That's good to know.

Unique ships should be truly unique: Good point GêÜGêÜGêÜ
60 days of time should be applicable to current account: Good point GêÜGêÜGêÜ

The rest: wat

I like how everything that the OP personally finds "useless" is brushed over. You know, the OP. The guy who bought and paid for the CE. The contents of which he was perfectly aware of when he purchased it.

"I bought an art book and Dust items that I thought would be useless. And now I am Upset because I have received said items."

Loads of comments claiming that I am unable to accept that some people enjoy the physical items

I'm not expecting everyone to be like me but I would still suspect that anyone who buys that collectors edition wants it to be super unique on every level, but it's not in my opinion.

Please do point out for me where I've said that I have bought it

I would never buy it in it's current state, which is the entire point of this thread, to voice my concerns about it's contents.

My bad, I assumed you were complaining about something that affected you. I guess I forgot that this is the internet.

also, *its

Check your mail, there is a survey going on and they specifically take suggestions on how to make the Collector Edition more appealing!