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Jessica Saphire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.11 17:07:00 -
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Im going to move to a fairly secure piece of space. Main npcs are the blood raiders, so i need a ship that can mow them down efficiently with my skills. I have amarr bs 5, but i cant use t2 lasers. I can fly command ships, but the only t2 medium guns i can use are projectile. I can also fly minmatar hacs.
The best ideas i came up with after talking to my friends are these:
Navy geddon
Abaddon
Nightmare
Loki
They all have strengths and weaknesses. The nightmare i already owm, but cant really afford to lose yet. The loki would be the most versitile ship but also the slowest killer. The other two are solid, but strike me as less effective than thr other two in reality and may only be better options on paper.
Its also worth mentioning that the ship needs to solo the strongest anoms poasible, but i will have a gang with me often.
Thanks guys :) |
Zoltan Lazar
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Posted - 2013.08.11 17:47:00 -
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Loki with faction EMP ammo is decent.
I would put in the training to get T2 large lasers and fly a nightmare or paladin, if you can afford the risk of such expensive ships.
Abaddon is hard to solo with, but excellent with even a tiny amount of logi help. However, the upcoming armor rep buff should help that significantly.
A legion will probably be your best bet, especially as you get used to ratting in that space. Nice high agility, good sig tank, puts out good DPS. |
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:10:00 -
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A Sleipnir is going to be by far your best bet for nullsec. Post Odyssey 1.1, you'll have 800 DPS that's over 75% EM damage, and a 1000 DPS EM/Therm tank. That's going to be pretty hard to beat. You'll even have two spare highs for stuff like a cloak, probe launcher, or even just tractor beam + salvager to speed up the looting. I'd 100mn AB fit it too for an easy getaway if someone does come and attack you. |
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:39:00 -
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Nullsec anoms:
carrier > golem / vindicator / fleetphone / nightmare > dominix and rest
Dominix is pretty awesome bang for the buck. 800 Garde DPS to 86km optimal, able to run high end anoms to certain extent in a MJD sniper fit (8/10, 9/10, 10/10 iffy). |
Jessica Saphire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:43:00 -
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[quote=The Spod]Nullsec anoms:
carrier > golem / vindicator / fleetphone / nightmare > dominix and rest
Dominix is pretty awesome bang for the buck. 800 Garde DPS to 86km optimal, able to run high end anoms to certain extent in a MJD sniper fit (8/10, 9/10, 10/10 iffy). [/quote
Id put the nightmare at number 1 myself, im just afraid to fly it in null atm cuz im fairly new to the area, plus i cant use t2 guns so that puts the sleipnir at the most ideal ship for me i think |
Kosetzu
S1lver Flame
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Posted - 2013.08.12 01:52:00 -
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Jessica Saphire wrote:Id put the nightmare at number 1 myself, im just afraid to fly it in null atm cuz im fairly new to the area, plus i cant use t2 guns so that puts the sleipnir at the most ideal ship for me i think
The Sleipnir requires good skills to fly and the training time for it is better spent towards T2 lasers in my opinion. The Apocalypse is a cheap option and has optimal range and tracking bonus in the hull. The Abaddon does have more damage but less range and it has more cap problems than the Apocalypse
I haven't tried myself against any nullsec rats for a long time but when I used to rat Blood Raiders I used a Raven with rather bad skills so I would think it shouldn't prove too difficult in an Apocalypse. Native armor resistance to EM/Thermal helps the tank as well. |
Figur Edd
DONT TREAD ON ME
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:01:00 -
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In bloodraider sites neuts hapen at a range of 25 km so either be abled to ignore the neuts or be out of range.
Popes hit out to 72 km these are the longest ranged rats.
This leads sniping oracles with tachions an ab and maybe a medium armor booster to learn the sites.
Warp in at 70 blap frigs 1st orbit the last pope you plan to kil at 75 km kill popes 2nd. The rest is isk printing.
The other cheap option is the mjd domi with gardes and curators.
Navy geddon and nightmare need bling to solo sanctums but a tripple nos pulse paladin warped at 0 quite high an isk per tick. Dont forget to loot in a noctis cuzz salvage + loot is equall in value to the bounties.
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Jessica Saphire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:42:00 -
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My goal here is to maximize my isk per hour while keeping the value of the ship as low as I can. Pretty much means I'm looking at anything cheaper than a faction fit nightmare.
The reason I don't want to use the NM yet is not because I'm afraid I'll get ganked but because I don't fully trust contracting it to them in order to jump freighter it to null. Sue me for being paranoid with a ship I can't afford to lose lol.
I've thought about it for a few days and I'm undecided between a 425mm ac sleipnir and a geddon with a long range mjd fit. I also cannot use t2 sentries or any form of t2 large weapons. However the sleip is fully t2 and a few faction mods even.
The goal here as I said above is to solo rat without the support of another .
Thanks in advance :) |
Jessica Saphire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.13 19:16:00 -
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Crellion
Parental Control
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Posted - 2013.08.14 07:26:00 -
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Based on what has been posted above I d forget about the sleipnir cause of range and neuts. Same with Legion and other HACs - Commands - T3s. [Having said that there are some amazing Loki fits with insane passive EM resist capability but their damage is sub par... by a mile].
Also forget the Domi if you dont have T2 sentries.
Oracle sounds ideal for your needs, using meta 4 tachs. Geddon/Apoc also doable but slower to kite effectively and slower to warp out when trouble hits and slower to replace...
Cheap faction options would be Nevy Geddon and TFI but both these need good drone skills... Set up correctly however they offer you close to 1500 dps (in the case of the TFI even out to 90kms) so they will get you ticks similar to the NM. |
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Hell Bitch
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.14 09:06:00 -
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A glass cannon range tanking oracle is what you're after, even with cheap T1 lasers and ammo it will rock belts and anoms, just make sure and down any sentry towers / missile towers first, after that it's all gravy.
If you lose it, you've only lost some pocket money. |
Seraph Castillon
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.08.14 09:16:00 -
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Jessica Saphire wrote:The reason I don't want to use the NM yet is not because I'm afraid I'll get ganked but because I don't fully trust contracting it to them in order to jump freighter it to null. Sue me for being paranoid with a ship I can't afford to lose lol.
Courier contract with collateral. Also don't fly what you can't afford to lose and all that ... blabla. Sorry I can't help with the actual question. |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2013.08.14 10:31:00 -
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Oracle while you train/make isk to afford a Nightmare plus you also get to know ou're surroundings, nothing else sub cap will beat it. |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1450
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Posted - 2013.08.15 10:59:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:A Sleipnir is going to be by far your best bet for nullsec. Post Odyssey 1.1, you'll have 800 DPS that's over 75% EM damage, and a 1000 DPS EM/Therm tank. That's going to be pretty hard to beat. You'll even have two spare highs for stuff like a cloak, probe launcher, or even just tractor beam + salvager to speed up the looting. I'd 100mn AB fit it too for an easy getaway if someone does come and attack you.
This is good advice, but for the love of all that is Jove, DON'T PUT A CLOAK ON IT.
You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Destrega Omargus
103 Sable Fist
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Posted - 2013.08.15 12:22:00 -
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Im looking to try a similar thing in an Oracle for Sansha sites, once my skills are at a comfortable level.
For fitting I was thinking
3x Heat Sink II
T2 EM hardener
T2 Thermal hardener
2x Tracking Computer II w/ Optimal range script
T2 Sensor booster w/ locking range script
Meta 4 Tachyon with IN Ultraviolet or Standard
Is this alright or will I need an afterburner?
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Hell Bitch
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.15 12:25:00 -
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Destrega Omargus wrote:Im looking to try a similar thing in an Oracle for Sansha sites, once my skills are at a comfortable level.
For fitting I was thinking
3x Heat Sink II
T2 EM hardener
T2 Thermal hardener
2x Tracking Computer II w/ Optimal range script
T2 Sensor booster w/ locking range script
Meta 4 Tachyon with IN Ultraviolet or Standard
Is this alright or will I need an afterburner?
I'm not sure about running sansha anoms with the glass cannon Oracle, it may work but don't they fire too many missiles for range tanking to be of any use? I honestly don't know i've only ever seen sansha in missions, I've never come across them in the wild. |
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