Hi!

This is on Sisi, right?

I ask, because if ship "cost" is negligible, there is no downside to fielding unique ships (like the etana, for example). Are there special rules regarding these purposely overpowered ships?

All Remote Armor Repair modules , Remote Shield Transfer and ENERGY TRANSFER modules are NOT allowed, EXCEPT on ONE of: a Logistics Ship, a Strategic Cruiser, a Tech 1 Support Cruiser, or a Tech 1 Support Frigate (this must be the same ship, you cannot have one ship with remote repair modules and another with energy transfers).

The referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.

Do you know whom this young gentlemans of decisive moral fiber are and if possible post their names?
:tinfoilhat:
Also how much impact can they have on the tourney itself ?

"You got the most votes, too bad you lost" -Chris Rock

Good question. For very nearly everything, scoring and penalties are handled by the tournament ui (the same used for the AT) In the case you are mentioning a consensus would be taken of the SCL staff, if the majority feel that the team in question threw the match/did not compete then we reserve the right to declare the match null.

As for the impact on the tournament itself, if a team chooses to throw their match then they will be impacted by the decision of the staff to remove them from the tournament.

soo SCL staff can impact and decide matches outcomes based on their own free will and without having to report to nobody but the SCL staff itself?

not throwing stones ..been here for the past scls and love the format .
just tryng to understand this new thingy added.

I couldn't see this explicitly in the rules (that's a big wall of text so sorry if I missed it) but is there a limit on the number of characters that each team can have on their roster?

So the 3% implant rule was put in place to limit the cost to participate in the AT. Given that this is going to occur on sisi will this rule still be in effect or can we bump it up to the previous 5-6 and named implants (slot 6-10, zor's, etc... not snakes, slave)???

since everyone else is double posting:

you guys should let us use 6%s, zors, and other named implants. anything to raise DPS up and give non-drone teams a shot is a good idea.

also, lower the cost on recons. there's a reason that like 3 flew in AT total

Any chance to do it on duality?

As for the change from 8 to 10 people this was done to bring SCL closer to the meta of the alliance tournament; ideally we want the tournament metagame to evolve over time and be reasonably consistent between tournaments so teams can adapt over time not just over single weekends leading to setups like tinker and drones being countered by setups and skill rather than points changes or hard bans.

That sounds good, but the actions of SCL don't really line up with this "meta-preserving" message. I mean no team can adapt to Tinker setups in the SCL because Tinker teams were deemed Not Fun To Watch by the SCL and have been hard-banned as a result. Especially ironic since the Tinker, which has essentially become one of the few core tournament archetypes, was one of the ways we saw Drone-based teams countered. Teams that did well in SCL knew perfectly well how to get around Tinkers in ATXI as a direct result of their involvement and some teams even toyed with Tinker-Control crossovers. But now...not so much.

I will continue to participate in SCL because it's a fun thing to do, but after canceling SCL 4 with 3 days notice and implementing a draconian archetype banning policy, it is becoming more clear that SCL is very far removed from "Eve Tournament prep"

That sounds good, but the actions of SCL don't really line up with this "meta-preserving" message. I mean no team can adapt to Tinker setups in the SCL because Tinker teams were deemed Not Fun To Watch by the SCL and have been hard-banned as a result. Especially ironic since the Tinker, which has essentially become one of the few core tournament archetypes, was one of the ways we saw Drone-based teams countered. Teams that did well in SCL knew perfectly well how to get around Tinkers in ATXI as a direct result of their involvement and some teams even toyed with Tinker-Control crossovers. But now...not so much.

I will continue to participate in SCL because it's a fun thing to do, but after canceling SCL 4 with 3 days notice and implementing a draconian archetype banning policy, it is becoming more clear that SCL is very far removed from "Eve Tournament prep"

First, the serious answer as an SCL representative:

As you know, SCL4 will be taking place on Sisi, which almost certainly will have Odyssey 1.1 mechanics. Odyssey 1.1 will include significant changes to the strength of tanking ganglinks, as well as significant buffs to local armor tanking. Given these changes, we were not 100% confident of how the Tinker meta would change; we felt that it was a safer choice to ban it for SCL4, in case Tinkers became significantly overpowered as a result of the local tank changes.

If it turns out that energy transfer Tinkers are not overpowered in Odyssey 1.1, we will consider allowing them again for SCL5.

(FWIW, I personally think that 1.1 in its current form will be a nerf to Tinkers. But, 1.1 is not yet set in stone, and banning them was the safe choice for today.)

Furthermore, Tinkers can technically be built with nos instead of energy transfers. (Since your team fielded a nos-based tinker in the Fanfest PvP tournament, I'm sure that you're already aware of its strengths and weaknesses.) That meta is still available to you, should you choose to run it.

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Next, the less serious answer as a member of Rote:

"BAWWWWW, I can't take a three-month-old winning meta and copy-paste it into tournaments and collect first prize with no thought." God forbid you actually have to theorycraft for a new environment. Abloobloobloo.

But let's be honest: the only reason you like tinker setups is because it guarantees that you won't fly out of the arena.

As for the change from 8 to 10 people this was done to bring SCL closer to the meta of the alliance tournament; ideally we want the tournament metagame to evolve over time and be reasonably consistent between tournaments so teams can adapt over time not just over single weekends leading to setups like tinker and drones being countered by setups and skill rather than points changes or hard bans.

SCL is quite free to ban whatever they deem Not Fun, it's just hypocritical to simultaneously ban an archetype and masquerade as some AT/NEO resource. I find it bizarre that SCL duders are so adamant about hiding behind these made-up reasons for banning Tinker teams. Now the reason is "Odyssey 1.1 changes makes it very confusing", yet HACs and Command Ships get a significant change and the points layout just stays there. Just say "hi it's boring to commentate two tinker teams so we're banning them, get dunked you noskill tinker trash" and end it instead of beating around the bush with a different non-nonsensical excuse each time.

SCL is fun to compete in, I'm glad it's around. Just embrace the by-the-seat-of-your-pants nature and stop trying to trick yourselves that you're something you're not.

You seem to think we're just shrugging and letting the dice roll...

...We can see how the meta develops this month, and if things are broken, there's always the next SCL.

Why is everyone so angry

At what time the draw results will be known ?

TY

Why is everyone so angry

Remember how angry you were when we won ATXI?

;)

I wasn't angry. A bit sad maybe. Not angry tho.

Would you say you were... almost apathetic?

Why is everyone so angry

this thread.




ANYWAY! CCP any chance of a more recent mirror of sisi? the current one is a couple of months old, and i guess it'd be more helpful to the SCL to run the mirror sooner rather than later.

Will it be "televised"?(YouTube, EveTV)

Will it be "televised"?(YouTube, EveTV)

Will it be "televised"?(YouTube, EveTV)

@TEST_general is livetweeting it.

Sorry for throwing those matches but half our pilots were not seeded on sisi yet because they are newly bought

Will there be ads running akin to AT, if so when are those expected to be delivered by and what are the codecs/aspect ratios and so forth you have set as a minimum?