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Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2013.08.13 02:46:00 -
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The margin trading skill is a good idea but ONLY if implemented correctly. When someone doesnt have the cash for the buy orders they have open, it should NEGATE their account, causing them to not be able to do ANY transactions in their wallet except receive money.
They can then un-negate their account by doing missions or transferring isk from another alt. HOWEVER< when you allow them to promise things and cause the trade to fail, you're KILLING THE SYSTEM> NO ONE WANTS TO DO ANY TRADE IN THE GAME BECAUSE THEY CANT TRUST THE GAME. Trade in the game would be far much better and there would be less scammers IF you would make the margin EXPLOIT not work anymore.
Make it where accounts CAN go into the negative but keep this from being exploited itself (making new characters, making the characters make buy orders it cant fill then selling to itself from another alt).
If nothing else, make it where the buy order closes when the quantity to be bought exceeds the available funds. It will still work as intended as people will only get items sold to them that actually MOVE instead ot taking up warehouse space.
I put up a buy order for 100 eggs and 100 potatoes, for example, and eggs and potatoes cost the same but I can only afford 100 of either. When both buy orders close because I have either bought 100 of them or taken money out of my account/spent it elsewhere, I will have achieved my intentions of acquiring the most profitable items anyway, as long as I allowed the buy orders to stay open long enough by keeping enough money for either in the account. Because people may have sold to me more eggs than potatoes before the orders closed, that means the eggs are moving faster than the potatoes anyway.
This is the reason for margin trading, to ESCROW. To escrow is to try to invest in various things while only desiring the ones to succeed that are actually selling and profitable.
If you dont fix the margin trading system to where we can trust we are able to sell the quantity shown, everyone will keep scamming, the market will stay a joke (where very few things are actually traded as they're intended), and people will keep mining from scratch to sell the end product INSTEAD Of trading ore and materials between each other to make the end product.
Elvis wrote:We should be able to trust the system you made instead of it LYING to us . Im not against having scammers in the game but the main reason there are so many scammers is because there's no honest way for them to make isk, other than incursions, making Everything from SCRATCH, or running missions. |
Me of Course
There is no life in space
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Posted - 2013.08.13 03:00:00 -
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sounds like someone fell for a market scam.... |
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2013.08.13 03:02:00 -
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Me of Course wrote:sounds like someone fell for a market scam.... you cant lose money afaik with the margin trading. you keep your items you was trying to sell to start with. its just a pain in the ass to move your freighter to a fake buy order that shouldnt have been allowed in the first place.
im just trying to make people be held accountable for writing checks they cant cash. Make a returned check fee of like 10% or something. Make accounts go negative and their wallets be locked until its positive again. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3860
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Posted - 2013.08.13 03:43:00 -
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Elvis Preslie wrote:The margin trading skill is a good idea but ONLY if implemented correctly. When someone doesnt have the cash for the buy orders they have open, it should NEGATE their account, causing them to not be able to do ANY transactions in their wallet except receive money.
Oooh, free infinite ISK fountain. Neat-O.
Don't buy things for more than they're worth, and you won't get scammed. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Me of Course
There is no life in space
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:03:00 -
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Elvis Preslie wrote:The margin trading skill is a good idea but ONLY if implemented correctly. When someone doesnt have the cash for the buy orders they have open, it should NEGATE their account, causing them to not be able to do ANY transactions in their wallet except receive money.
yeah i can see that not being exploited at all, set a buy order for 1 trillion isk or 100 bill or something stupid high, get an alt to conduct that transaction, cancel sub on the account with negative wallet and poof you just made isk out of thin air
ok now that i got an better understanding from what your getting at, but yeah its a pain, and an annoyance but at least its better then the idea you suggested (which was creating isk out of nowhere) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=268764&find=unread <<< Skin's for ships COMON, YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT! |
Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
517
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:47:00 -
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lol someone got scammed :X |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:12:00 -
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Elvis Preslie wrote:Make it where accounts CAN go into the negative but keep this from being exploited itself (making new characters, making the characters make buy orders it cant fill then selling to itself from another alt).
When the owner of a buy order doesnt have enough funds to finish the buy order, make the system buy it from the seller at the fair market price, close the buy order. How exactly will you prevent buying own orders with alts, how should game differentiate characters to put a definite "alt" tag on someone?
What is a fair price? What is a fair market?
Quote:Also, make the margin trading skill take two months to get to lvl 5; people with negative accounts will not want to create a new one and train it again, including trade skills, but will, instead, want to resolve the negative account and STOP making illegitimate buy orders. You are soooooooooooo wrong here. 2 months are nothing when you can earn trillions with just 1 market operation. Also: why punish older players with extra SP? Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Llyona
Sleepless Escorts
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:19:00 -
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Elvis Preslie wrote:The margin trading skill is a good idea but ONLY if implemented correctly.
Sure, I agree that it should be tweaked a little. The issue with CCP's version of margin trading is that there's no consequence for not having the funds on hand for the transaction.
Essentially, the game system is fronting a portion of the buy order for you. In a real margin trading situation, this would come in the form of an interest bearing loan. So, if you don't pay the loan off your credit goes to ****.
In EVE, credit doesn't matter. Also, creating a negative wallet won't work, because there's no obligation to pay it back. As others will likely mention, the scam artist can simply refuse to renew their sub. Not only that, a negative wallet balance would actually create isk, thus instituting an incentive to create margin orders on throw away accounts to create more isk for their actual account.
Sadly, a mechanic like Margin trading simply can't have any meaningful consequences in a game, without drastic mechanics. By drastic, I mean locking the entire user account immediately when a margin trade fails until the account owner transfers enough isk to pay the seller. The seller's items would be held in escrow for 7-30 days (at their discretion) until the isk is either transferred in full to them ot the deadline is reached. This sort of mechanic would reduce the profitability of scamming, as the scam can only be performed once per account. To a legitimate margin trader, the effect would be minimal as they would simply move isk into their account to cover the cost.
There's also another strategy you can employ to prevent margin fiascos. That's simply noticing the buy price and minimum volume. If it has a high minimum buy volume and buy price, it's a waste of your time and likely only exists as bait for a scam. EVE is an illness, for which there is no cure. |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
493
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:37:00 -
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Wouldn't it be simpler to make it similar to the T3 skills, every time a margin order fails the character loses one level of margin trading skill, failure of 5 market orders causes the removal of the skill from your Training Queue. Heck you want to be really vindictive then make it after the skill is removed 'Remedial Margin Trading' (New skill) must be trained and make it a 16X skill.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Llyona
Sleepless Escorts
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:58:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Heck you want to be really vindictive then make it after the skill is removed 'Remedial Margin Trading' (New skill) must be trained and make it a 16X skill.
I like this idea! Make it so margin trading requires 1 month to train when mapped at maximum training speed for the skill. Then, if a margin order fails, the game account is locked until isk is transferred to the account to fill the pending order. This would require the scam artist to make AT LEAST 1 billion isk from a scam just to break even.
EVE is an illness, for which there is no cure. |
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Mister Otm Shank
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Posted - 2013.08.13 10:39:00 -
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You didn't think this through.
Quote:When the owner of a buy order doesnt have enough funds to finish the buy order, make the system buy it from the seller at the fair market price, close the buy order, and FINE the buy order owner 10% or something.
This would be an ISK faucet worse than insurance and rat bounties put together. No.
Quote:If nothing else, make it where the buy order closes when the quantity to be bought exceeds the available funds. It will still work as intended as people will only get items sold to them that actually MOVE instead ot taking up warehouse space.
Right. Most people use margin trading to create bids that will be covered by income they expect to have before the bid is called. Why should I have all of my orders cancelled (and waste my broker fees) if my liquidity drops below a certain point? I haven't defaulted yet, and expect that my ongoing cashflow (from asks) will, statistically speaking, cover my bids before they're called. This is perfectly legitimate. If I screw this up (which, in the long term is bound to happen from time to time) and don't have enough cash on hand to cover a bid, I already lose all my brokerage (which, even with decent standing and a skill at 5 is still a non-trivial amount on a large bid).
You're obviously not a trader. You got scammed once, now you know to look out for it. I fail to see why I should suffer because you got greedy. |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:19:00 -
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Elvis Preslie wrote:HOWEVER< when you allow them to promise things and cause the trade to fail, you're KILLING THE SYSTEM> NO ONE WANTS TO DO ANY TRADE IN THE GAME BECAUSE THEY CANT TRUST THE GAME.
You really shouldn't project your insecurities to the general eve populace.
Elvis Preslie wrote:Trade in the game would be far much better and there would be less scammers IF you would make the margin EXPLOIT not work anymore.
This is strange really...
Been playing eve for 10+ years, using the market all that time, never once been scammed.
Maybe I'm just a special snow flake Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
astro christo
naglfar saillors
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Posted - 2013.08.13 22:58:00 -
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I think losing 1 level of margin trading when you default is actually a very good idea.
It would be like losing the credit rating in real life.
The time to retrain 1 level would then be the same as rebuilding your credit rating.
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Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2013.09.07 14:03:00 -
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[quote=Sable Moran] You really shouldn't project your insecurities to the general eve populace.
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Im just estatic at the people that have no sense of analytical thinking. These people would be complaining if a module said it did a certain bonus and failed at its promise. However, when this failure benefits them, they want to keep it.
I swear; i thought people played a game to challenge themselves, not to have everything to their benefit handed to them on a silver platter.
This has NOTHING to do with players scamming each other; the system is lying to us with this margin trading because it allows them to do so WITHOUT reprocussions. WE HAVE NO WAY OF DISCERNING WHICH BUY ORDERS ARE LEGITIMATE FROM THE ONES THAT ARE USING THIS AS AN EXPLOIT.
THe margin trading skill has to be remanded to make the margin buyer pay for their mistakes. I have now proposed a new idea, updating the FIRST POST with it. Please reread this and edit your posts to reflect it. |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2013.09.07 16:19:00 -
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Equivalents of margin trading exist in the real world, that's why you have companies that can't pay for what they bought. Market is functioning properly, you are just too dumb to see the scams that are "hidden".
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4063
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Posted - 2013.09.07 17:16:00 -
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Elvis Preslie wrote:Rubyporto wrote:Don't buy things for more than they're worth, and you won't get scammed. This has got to be one of the dumbest responses Ive gotten; the system doesnt set the fair market price, WE do, as the traders through competition. THe fair market value always changes, shown when you hover over the item in your hangar or cargo. The cost of things is constantly changing because CCP changes the difficulty for acquiring ore and ice and/or transporting goods.
Point to me where I said "fair market price." I said "worth" as in "what is it worth to you." The "market price" is. roughly speaking, an aggregate measure of what the item is "worth," on average, to everyone.
Investments carry risk. Moreso if you refuse to do any research whatsoever on the items you're investing in. If you invest in Enron stock now, just because someone's selling it, who's fault is that?
When CCP changes things, there are better sources of information than "this suspiciously high buy order on the market." Relying on "this suspiciously high buy order on the market" for your information on patches is really kind of stupid. The price shown in the item hangar makes no claim to represent any "fair market value" it's simply an estimate based on a universal average of completed trades. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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SOL Ranger
Jaeger Squadron
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Posted - 2013.09.07 17:20:00 -
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As I see It this can be solved by making any escrow to be dependently shared among buy orders.
Escrow rules: A buy order can never be set unless the resulting total amount in escrow covers its value fully. When total escrow is going below the value of a buy order your account(wallet) is charged to cover it. Failing to cover the attempted charge any buy order which is not covered by total escrow will be immediately removed the very moment this is true. One important result from this is, the highest buy order will always be the limiting factor, thus you will only engage in business on a level you can actually afford to do business in.
Minimum buy rules: Minimum buy amount can never be higher than 10% of the amount sold currently within a station. Minimum buy amount will always be adjusted(per sale) by automation, between 1 and the preferred amount only(does not change anything in the buy order, just allows a bypass when sales are low). In multi station wide buy orders the minimum buy amount is always based on the individual stations. The highest traffic hubs will allow the highest minimum amounts whilst abandoned stations will rarely allow minimum buy amounts above 1, this will also boost localized trading more as moguls will have a hard time servicing super-wide buy orders.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.09.07 21:40:00 -
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This thread has been moved to Skill Discussions. ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Baggo Hammers
85
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Posted - 2013.09.07 23:30:00 -
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Seems to me only greedy folk fall for margin trading scams....all grifts are based on the mark's greed. If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. |
Khoul Ay'd
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
93
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:07:00 -
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Elvis Preslie wrote:... you're KILLING THE SYSTEM. NO ONE WANTS TO DO ANY TRADE IN THE GAME BECAUSE THEY CANT TRUST THE GAME...
Funny, I've been buying and selling all week. Oh, and I've never run a margin trading scam. The things we do today we must live with forever.... Think about it |
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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:14:00 -
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You know I have this knife and I can do all kinds of stuff with it, slice bread, carve a boat out of bark, make a whistle out of a branch of a willow tree, make some kindling, cut a rubber hose. I can also carve the eyes of someone from theirs sockets with it. You're saying that we should ban knives because of that one bad thing. Silly.
Oh and one more thing, just because you use UPPER CASE a lot does not make you post any less full of drivel. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:25:00 -
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SOL Ranger wrote:As I see It this can be solved by making any escrow to be dependently shared among buy orders.
Escrow rules:
A buy order can never be set unless the resulting total amount in escrow covers its value fully. When total escrow is going below the value of a buy order your account(wallet) is charged to cover it. Failing to cover the attempted charge any buy order which is not covered by total escrow will be immediately removed the very moment this is true. One important result from this is, the highest buy order will always be the limiting factor, thus you will only engage in business on a level you can actually afford to do business in. +1 for this, though the rest of the post seems unnecessary. |
Lady Trade
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:01:00 -
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I really don't see the problem.
It's clearly stated that the buy order has a minimum amount required. This information is not hidden or otherwise obscured by the scammers - you simply didn't check or know to check or were so hasty to make ISK that you didn't pay enough attention.
How exactly is this the scammers fault? Or the margine trading skills fault? Or anyone's fault except your own?
I'd just write your loss off as "learning is fun" and move on instead of trying to change some skill that might have some design flaws but isn't actually the root cause for any scams - it's usually greed that is the cause (both the scammers and the marks greed in most cases).
See you in Jita. |
Lady Trade
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:01:00 -
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virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:10:00 -
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Some simple solutions:
Change the colour of buy orders where insufficient funds exist to cover the purchase to red. Straight away it obvious something is up with that particular buy order. Anyone asking why in local, corp etc would find out very quickly.
Also it's my understanding that the skill used only covers a percentage of the deposit. Say for example 80% at level 5 ( that's probably too high ). So another solution would be if your buy order fails due to insufficient funds then you forefit a portion of the funds you did deposit to the seller without the seller giving you the goods.
Using my made up numbers of : the skill at 5 reducing the deposit by 80%, and choosing a default penalty of 50% this is how a typical market trading scam would look now. Buy order for 1 billion costs 20% ( 100%-80% ) to put up ( ignoring fees for simplicity ). = 200 million deposit.
Another player comes along and tries to sell the requested item. Sale fails due to insufficient funds. Seller ( who is the victim under current rules ) gets 50% of the deposit = 100Million simply transferred to their wallet. Scamming buyer gets the remainder 100M refunded. The buy order is cancelled and removed automatically straight away ( to stop it being repeatedly milked ). Item does not change hands.
This scam type would simply stop overnight.
To minimise the impact on genuine traders you could do a few things: The rule only comes into effect for buy orders over a certain value, say 500 millionish - or choose a different number. The penalty could be capped at any amount - even a low amount around 10 million would hurt the scammers.
Add the two together - red font for insufficient funds in the buy order lsitings, and an ISK penalty for a failed buy order and the scam would no longer be viable. |
virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
42
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:21:00 -
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There is one other subtle advantage to my penalty idea above.
Currently it's the less well informed who are likely to fall for the market trading scam. They purchase some purple piece of junk at a vastly inflated price - bought from a sell order set up by the scammer - because of an even more inflated buy order also set up by the scammer. The victim believes the difference between the two orders will give them a hefty profit, instead they end up with junk that they paid well over the odds for.
Penalising fake buy orders by losing part of the buy order deposit to the seller will allow anyone who has one of those bits lying around to take money from the scammer and close the fake order down. It will be in the community's interest to earn free money by trying to sell one of the item in question, the sale failing and them getting a chunk of the deposit.
My point is that those in the know who can spot a market trade scam, currently just ignore it. May or may not help someone asking in local about it. If there was free money to be had ( item notwithstanding of course ) they then get paid to shut the scam down, and remove it from the market listings. |
Varactyl Charante
Ceiling Roof
12
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:49:00 -
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I think the real problem we aren't addressing here is that the Republic Fleet is selling the Astronautics Skillbook for 400k near Hek. That's a real travesty. "We're pirates, scoundrels, and ne'er-do-wells! We fly extremely dangerously, with our warp drives melting off our hull and our hair slicked back from the blood of our podded victims! "~ Donovan Draknevov |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4105
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:49:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:Currently it's the less well informed who are likely to fall for the market trading scam.
Yes, people who refuse to look at the readily available information on the investment they're considering often lose money on that investment. News at 11.
In addition to creating an infinite ISK fountain (the result of your proposal acting on an order whose escrow has been depleted), your proposal would simply penalize lower NAV marketeers (i.e. the people for whom the skill is most important) by arbitrarily charging them large sums of money when they are unable to perfectly predict future market events.
When you try to sell to a buy order and it fails for whatever reason, what, exactly, have you lost that you should be compensated for? You haven't lost any ISK. You haven't lost the item. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
44
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Posted - 2013.09.13 10:21:00 -
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No ISK faucet at all. The fine is paid out of and deducted from the deposit initially put up by the buyer. Also the buy order is cancelled upon failing - preventing repeated deliberate milking.
When a buy order fails nothing has been lost, unless some less weary player bought some junk at a hugely inflated price precisely because the buy order led them to believe they could make a quick profit. Also if a player has spent time and effort getting the good together, shipping them, then they are out of pocket - money and effort.
If you want to argue that falling for the scam is the penalty for being less aware of what's going on combined with greed then I would accept that as valid. If you want to argue that it shouldn't be changed because it would interfere with a valid scam tactic and scamming is a part of eve then I would accept that too. But I do find it disingenuous to look at a failed buy order in isolation, especially when we are discussing them in the context of the scam and pretend there's nothing going on. You're obviously not stupid, so I can only assume that little bit of crooked thinking on your behalf is you trying to protect a vested interest. If you want to argue that it's a valid scam tactic and shouldn't be changed because it would interfere with a existing gameplay then do so.
Your middle point has the most merit - low skill means higher up front deposits and greater losses on a buy order fail. Maybe use the skill level to determine the ISK fine on fail as a percentage? e.g fine on fail = ( (skill level -1 ) *5 ) percent of the deposit.. This would give fines of: Skill Fine % of deposit 0 0 ( Already hard coded in by game mechanics - ignores formula above ) 1 0 2 5 3 10 4 15 5 20
That's only example numbers, for illustration. Obviously CCP would play with and use their own numbers.
Alternatively remove the fine completely if a character has completed trades over a certain threshold over the last 30 days. Or divide total value of all items sold by total qty of item sold for the selling character in the last xxx days to spot those characters specialising in low quantity high value items - and only apply it to them.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
373
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Posted - 2013.09.16 06:33:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Wouldn't it be simpler to make it similar to the T3 skills, every time a margin order fails the character loses one level of margin trading skill, failure of 5 market orders causes the removal of the skill from your Training Queue. Heck you want to be really vindictive then make it after the skill is removed 'Remedial Margin Trading' (New skill) must be trained and make it a 16X skill.
I think it's too dangerously likely for legimate traders to suffer skill loss, if their Orders just happen to b buying much faster than expected, and slling much slower than expected, while logged out of the game.
However, there's a fix for that:
Instead of the Margin Trading skill being guaranteed to drop one skill level, it instead should have a probability chance of dropping by 1. A high chance of the "escrow default" was extremely large, and a very low chance of the "escrow default" was very small. That means that legimate traders only really risk a 0.5% or 1% chance of dropping Margin Trading from 5 to 4, if they're careless, while margin scammers will suffer punitive skill level drops. |
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