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Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
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Posted - 2011.10.28 07:34:00 -
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I think it's a great idea.
- remove attributes so nobody feels forced to put on attributes implants just to keep up with their training speed
- add a lot of new implant sets (like cristal or slave)
this will improve eve's gameplay and tactical decisions much more than 'Oh what am I going to train today to max out my training speed ???' |
Taint
A Pack Of Wolfes
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Posted - 2011.10.28 08:15:00 -
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Ashen Spiral wrote:Relevant post from Jester's Trek: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/10/death-to-attributes.htmlIt's hard to think of any good reasons to keep attributes. It's an inevitable change, just like the removal of learning skills was. The only question is how much time will pass before a dev is allowed to address it. If I recall correctly, after someone at CCP finally approved the removal of learning skills, it was implemented fairly quickly. Removing attributes seems like it would be even easier. When do you think we'll see this change on Tranquility? 
OP can you answer me why when some people, atleast us old players, should be punished for spending more time in training some skills, so we can train faster after ?
To new players I can se it mite look strange with the learning and atributes.
If people dosnt want to spend time in training cyborgnetics so be it, in the long run it will be a great thing to have done.
Believe the new comers to eve have already changed enough, to much.
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Ashen Spiral
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.28 08:50:00 -
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Taint wrote:OP can you answer me why when some people, atleast us old players, should be punished for spending more time in training some skills, so we can train faster after ?
To new players I can se it mite look strange with the learning and atributes.
If people dosnt want to spend time in training cyborgnetics so be it, in the long run it will be a great thing to have done.
Believe the new comers to eve have already changed enough, to much.
This is not a "new players" vs "old players" issue. People were saying the same thing when learning skills were removed. I don't see how this punishes old players at all, unless you mean those with special attribute mappings that can no longer be created through normal remaps.
This has almost nothing to do with cybernetics or implants. See the post I made before this one which explains why. |
Taint
A Pack Of Wolfes
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:38:00 -
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mistake post :) |
Taint
A Pack Of Wolfes
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Posted - 2011.10.28 11:41:00 -
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Taint wrote:well you link was somewhat TLDR,if you could summon it up ? :)
However still not sure what you mean in that last post you made, but you want 1month old acount to train as fast as mine ? couse this is what i get out of reading your posts, and if thats the case i realy do not like your idea. |
De'Veldrin
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:12:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:I'm fine with removing attributes and attribute related implants. I don't know how many times I've heard people say "I'd love to come pewpew but I have +5s" or their jump clone without +5s is 40 jumps away or something. You'd see a *lot* more pewpew if people were freed from the shackles of learning implants.
So we should all suffer because some people are more concerned about min/maxing than actually enjoying the game?
Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
De'Veldrin
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
54
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:19:00 -
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Ashen Spiral wrote:[quote=Sturmwolke]
This would prevent new players from making bad choices early on that would cause them to be unable to train what they want for an entire year.
I was completely unaware of the fact that setting a neural remap actually blocked certain skills from being trained. Pray tell, when was that added to the client?
Sarcasm aside, nothing is stopping anyone from training a skill except some silly need to min/max their character. "I have my remap set to Int/Mem, but man I wish I could train those Per/Will skills."
Train them already!! Nothing is stopping you but you.
Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:50:00 -
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... my 2billion in implants... why you hate them? |
Tahna Rouspel
BWE Special Forces
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:57:00 -
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Schmacos tryne wrote:Funny...
I asked the same question right after they removed Learning Skills (Which I have yet to see the fantastic results of improved gameplay, increased recruitment of new player and whatever else most people talking about at the time).
The result of the LS removal paved way for a much quicker path for alts/bots to get in action which in turn might have helped subscritions but certainly not the new recruitment which CCP was led to believe.
Basically I don't see the point of attributes as they add nothing to the game(tm) and anyone who find their game becomming immensly more deep and complex due to attributes should do them selves a favour and put themselves out of their missery sooner rather then later.
If Attributes are to remain, I would personally like to see the re-instatement of learning skills (OH NOES, HE DIDN'T?)... Why??? well when someone gets banned it should fricking hurt and not be 2 weeks to get back on their feet violating the EULA again as nothing ever happened.
TLDR:
Get rid of attribs or reinstate learning.
Removing learning skills was a good gameplay decision. It's bad when the best choice for a new player is to train days and days of learning skill. A new player can't even do anything well, and having delay the 'fun' skills only makes the first few days of a player a boring wait. The way it is right now, they just pre-train the learning skills because they were mandatory for everything else anyway. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.28 13:59:00 -
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Well I originally protestested the removal of learning skills becuase at the time ccp had no way to compensate |
Ashen Spiral
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:01:00 -
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Taint wrote:Taint wrote:well you link was somewhat TLDR,if you could summon it up ? :) However still not sure what you mean in that last post you made, but you want 1month old acount to train as fast as mine ? couse this is what i get out of reading your posts, and if thats the case i realy do not like your idea.
It's a bit hard to sum up all the good reasons to make this change. I'm not sure why you would think a one month account would have any sort of advantage over an older account. Unless you are talking about the 100% skill training bonus which is already in place for new characters. |
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