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Moniker
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Posted - 2005.12.27 09:16:00 -
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So Im 4day away from getting my Mining Barge and I start looking at the numbers. What makes a mining barge so much better?
Is it just the Strip Miner? How much difference does it make to have a Modulated Strip Miner vs a Modulated Deep Core Miner on a Battleship? I can see how a battleship is easily better than a barge-I since it only holds 1 strip miner. But is Barge-III that much better? It will take sometime before I get Barge-V is Im not even bringing that up.
Also, how do you manage a Barge? I have 2 accounts; a miner and a Hauler. It would seem that you would need to use 2 or more haulers just to keep up with the barge's output. I use secure containers but to be honest they are a pain to manage. 5000m away from then and any rock makes them hard to handle. That and I can only carry 3 gaints at a time which (even in my destroyer) I fill up pretty fast.
So I guess Im missing something. Yeah it is great to have a huge mining yield butwhat the heck do you do with that yield output?
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President Commonwealth
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Posted - 2005.12.27 10:26:00 -
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Barge is the best mining ship in the game and it was made to be that way.BSs( i am thinking you are talking about the apoc) dont mine as much as the barge.even tho some ppl uses a apoc to mine in low sec, they just go with full weapons the first gates and then they find a station make a insta and fit the mining lasers and go to mine.
either way the BARGE is the best mining ship you will ever find, and dont forget to fit some of the new mining mods that are around.
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Carniflex
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Posted - 2005.12.27 10:32:00 -
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small barge outmines frigates medium barge outmines cruisers (and few battleships) large barge outmines them all (thou difference is below 500 m3 / cyckle)
So. If you are not going for large barge then getting battleship with 8 turret slots is next best thing for mining (and a bit faster than large barge).
I'm at work so I do not have exact numbers at hand, but there is several threads with numbers too about this issue.
Carniflex
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Brannigan McCormick
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Posted - 2005.12.27 11:03:00 -
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For raw output, the Covetor outmines all, but, its also not very suited for mining without protection in anything below .4 (and even .4 can be dangerous) .. A gang of 3-4 Covetors with me drones can hold their own in .4, but I wouldn't venture into anything lower without some sort of protection.
There, the Apoc is king.
But, if you ask me, then either the Covetor should have its output upped, or the Apoc should have its output decreased .. A barge is just not very versatile, and the actual bonus is just not big enough, imho
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Sirkill
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Posted - 2005.12.27 12:49:00 -
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Actualy I think the Hulk should be investigated
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Nivesi
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Posted - 2005.12.27 14:23:00 -
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Get an Iteron 5 with good cargo expanders
That will keep up with any barge.
I have 2 accounts One with Apoc 2nd with Barge and good hauling ability.
Apoc stays and mines/kills rats 2nd account mines and then hauls once I get to about 3 or 4 cargo cans.1 full can/trip
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Moniker
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Posted - 2005.12.27 23:18:00 -
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thanks for the info guys. Sounds like th Barge will be good for Ice Mining for the Corp POS. May have to spend 18days getting my skills up to Amarr Battleships for an Apoc. But I Don't think I need to do that right now.
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Captain Havoc
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Posted - 2005.12.29 02:36:00 -
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Difference - With mining 5 and astro 5 in a battleship with 8 lasers and drones you can outmine a medium barge even with modulated strip miner II's and T1 crystals (not T2, the T2 just barely win) tested and tried many times, also mining in a BS you can tank NPC's in low sec and bring in whatever ships you like without them getting attacked by the NPC's.
I have 3 accounts i use when i mine (i ONLY mine rares in low sec as i am not a builder, just for isk), 1st with a megathron (7 miner II's, drones and tanking, mining lvl 4, astro 4, minig drones 4), 2nd in a domi (6 miner II's, drones and tanking, mining 5, astro 5, mining drones 4) and the 3rd in a geddon (7 miner II's, drones, tanking, mining 5, astro 5 and mining drones 4) i get about 1800-1900m3 a minute, haven't bothered to calculate and it pours into the can so fast coming from 3 accounts it's hard to notice it all :P but yeah i outmine a medium barge with any one of those BS's/characters (i am sure the mining drones make a diff as well). ----------------------------------------------- "Acta non Verba" http://users.tpg.com.au/havoca6/Title.png http://glf.t83.net/ http://www.eve-link.com/glf/index
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2005.12.29 13:27:00 -
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I while ago I posted the max figures for an apoc vs a Covetor (The Large Barge)
Apoc does about 1100m3/min with t2 mining drones and 8MDCM II's
Covetor does about 1440m3/min with t2 mining drones and 3 MSM II's
The Hulk (Large t2 Covetor) and the Covetor are the only faster miners than the apoc. With that said, the Apoc is a better miner for 0.0, since the covetor goes instapop against a 0.0 spawn. --- Order Now!
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Ki Shodan
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Posted - 2005.12.29 18:26:00 -
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in High Sec: Large Barge in Low Sec: Apoc and Dominix (a Dominix can fight back all spawns in 0.1 and up with its drones.)
If you can not keep up hauling with the mining amount of one Large Barge, you should really consider learning to use Bookmarks.
Where do you mine, that you need Giant Secure Containers? You should maybe move to mine in a less populated systems, where there are fewer people. Obeying this rule, i got busted only once by an Orethief, and he got only one Indy-load of Scordt and Veld. Nowdays you can shoot orethieves, so there should be a problem no more. -- bye, Ki Shodan
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Jace Rondo
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Posted - 2005.12.29 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jace Rondo on 29/12/2005 22:14:49
Originally by: Moniker Also, how do you manage a Barge? I have 2 accounts; a miner and a Hauler. It would seem that you would need to use 2 or more haulers just to keep up with the barge's output.
Not at all - I sometimes run ore for a Covetor and even my Badger II has no problem keeping up.
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