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LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:24:00 - [1] I can confirm you that blasterthron vs raven is hopeless. Domi is probably ultimate closerange bs, but it is not f1-f6 idiot proof as raven is. And to the guy saying that torps are short range weapons... i think that they should have 25km range with maxed skills, but i think they have some 95km with lvl4 skills. I want 100km blasters too. HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:26:00 - [2] Originally by: Quaren well I have fought alot of raven pilots on the test server with my blastertron. I got wtfpwned by every single one that had any type of skill at all. I have 7m+ in gunnery and cap, armor skill at 5. gall bs at 5 aswell setup: t2 ions and then as many neutrons as possible (think it was 2) cap booster with 800 charges, web, scramble, mwd 2 large rep, t2 hardeners, 2 damage mods As soon as i see 2x LAR on mega setup and saying that you wtfpwned ravens i give you my benefit of doubt. You cannot run 2x lar + guns if they put 1 nosf on you. Injector doesn't boost enough cap for running 2x LAR alone. (unless it is some officer stuff ) HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:58:00 - [3] Originally by: lofty29 It's good at close range, yes. But if you send in a tackler and warp jam / web him, he's going nowhere and you can snipe him to death because his sheild tank wont hold forever. It will hold enough to put nosf on your tackler and warp out or kill him. And if he has injector it will last long enough to make you warp out. At any range if he is using cruises. HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.27 18:18:00 - [4] Originally by: ro prefect The point of a raven is to be strong against other battleships as they do practically no damage to smaller ships and they can't mine like the other battleships. The only thing a raven can do well is kill other battleships and now people want to nerf that? Why not just get rid of the ship completely. Or lets just have one single battleship type that all races use so no one can complain that one is better then the other. I personally regret going with a raven as it is so specialized. I wish I went for an Apoc instead so I would have more options of things I could do with the ship. Mining with bs is crime and ccp should issue health warning... as 2x MDCM II fill cargo full... so you have to drop ore out every 10s... Mining has nothing to do with pvp. Raven can kill smaller stuff better than any other bs that has comparable range. For instance try hitting deimos at 1km with 425mm railgun. Or godforbid, inty. Yes cruises do 30dmg to inty that is orbiting without mwd. That actually kills inty better than any 1400mm/425mm/800mm, dual 425mm/neutron/electron blaster. They don't hit at all. Unless you fit 2 webs, but then cruises hurt too. Apoc is probably most useless bs except for mining or baiting, but there domi perform good enough too. And if you think apoc would give you more options... time to meet thorax :) HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.27 19:58:00 - [5] Originally by: Antic Edited by: Antic on 27/12/2005 19:54:21 "without breaking a sweat" is a grave exagaration. Its not as easy as you make it sound. It just takes different tactics to beat a close range raven today than it did before the patch. Hardly anyone flying a raven are "garanteed victory" That you cant beat them with your pre RMR setups isnt a suprise. Those pilots that owned you have adapted to first the missile nerf then to coldwar and RMR. You should adapt too. If it was a win button more would fly it than what currently do. Its no lack of people who have skills for it as everyone used ravens for lvl4s before Missile nerf. I think its more an issue of people being too used to raven being the black sheep and punshing bag of the battleships that this kind of change upsets their view of the world. There is very little you can adept on mega... HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.27 21:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Beringe Smartbomb. Seriously. Doesn't really fit on mega... HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.28 13:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Ubijalec Thads my point! BS in web range is sitting duck, so you can hit it. frigates and crusers are different story. And you don`t need to stear ship at thad point. Just fire missile at thad point. BTW: Stop whining about Raven! Missiles must be better than guns! Yes, i fly caldari, make me overpowered... HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.28 14:56:00 - [8] Originally by: Ubijalec You don`t need to be Caldari to fly Caldari ships. And for you whiners: It`s not thad hard to kill Raven. I cannot kill (FIX) raven with interceptor... i've killed any other bs there... HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.28 15:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Ubijalec IRTEHWINTBH Thads discussing what your writing? I only sea how is imposible to kill Raven and oh and ah. But nothing what would look like discussing. Give me some proposal, theory or stop being smart. Calling me dump **** is nothing more then whining, flaming. Actually it is easy to kill raven with setup fitted to kill raven... BUT you really are dump(dumb more likely), but problem is that raven is idiot proof iwin ship that kills any non specifically fitted bs outthere with allaround setup. And another thing, how many sp does it take to fly raven effectively: drones: 800k(t2 med drones here we come) electronics: 300k engeneering: 2mil (acutally less) weapons: 512k + adv. upgrades (400k) missiles: 1280k for cruise 5 all missile related skills at lvl4 makes < 1.5mil(i have them and have 700k in missiles) cruise spec 4: 370k spaceship command: 2.5mil navigation: not needed really. mechanics not needed, but let's say 500k That makes whooping 10.5mil sp Now lets do for blaster mega: drones: 2mil just to use t2 heavys electronics: 300k (electronics 5 + prop jamming) engeneering: 1.8mil (maxed cap+ some other) gunnery: 5.5mil to use t2 blasters + weapon upgrades etc navigation: 1mil (needed) spaceship command: 2.5mil mechanics: 1mil (now 1.4 with new skills) 14mil + something... to get @ss whipped every time you meet 11mil sp pilot. But if you say that it is perfect, it must be. HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.28 15:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Antic ah so if im a 20 mill SP raven pilot im allowed to win against your 14 mill SP mega? So if i'm 23mil sp mega and i lose vs 11mil raven? And that raven had T2 cruises. And needs 300k sp less for torps. Domi is ship that can adopt, modify etc... mega just sux unless it is 425mm thron. HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.28 15:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Hellspawn01 I fought a corp mate recently. His Raven vs my Vindicator. His setup: 6x Torps 2x Nos Standard shield tank PDU II and BCUs He has some millions in missile skills. My setup: 7x Ions II 1x Heavy nos MWD webber scrambler Cap injector eutectic 2x L accoms 3x Hardeners RCU II cant remember last slot I have 10mil in gunnery, 3.6mil in engineering and all mechanic skills maxed. We started at 20km range. I lost my shields fast and started shooting at 10km distance to him. My tank was holding for awhile and I did some good damage to his shields. The only problem was the reload time of the injector while my cap was almost gone from reppers, guns and his nos. When I was almost out of charges, I broke his shields and started shooting his armor away quickly. We stopped at this point cuz we didnt want to loose both our ships. It was a close fight but I would have won that fight cuz I had more hardened armor left as he did and he was very low on cap. So ship that has 1700 cap more than mega and better recharge has cap problems... to kill standard raven... and on last slot you had cpu, else that stuff doesnt fit. (or faction hardeners, as it is standard megathron setup and it doesn't really fit with 2x lar and no cpu mods) HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.28 19:36:00 - [12] afaik(might know nothing), but if you want to get rid of dampener/tracking disruptor effect, you need 2, as with only one mod, you still get penalized quite badly. I think they should release missile guide module with some effect(speed/explosion velocity) and turret disruptors messing with those modules too. Now if someone say that it is messing up with missile users... how can i fit tracking comp on blasterthron? 35 cpu to use on med slot on mega is ... well impossible to get, not to mention that you don't really have slot. Though those 30% better tracking would help ALOT. Now to get rid of tracking disruptor effect... i have to fit 2. Now that is possible on vindicator, but ... HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.28 21:44:00 - [13] I think RMR actually boosted mega vs other gunships(gankships)...like vs geddon, apoc... But apoc with some mean vamp/capkiller setup will kick ass out of many things. But RMR boosted domi(drones are best for longer fights), tempest(invul. fields), and ravens even more. HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.12.29 18:00:00 - [14] Edited by: LUKEC on 29/12/2005 18:00:50 Originally by: Beringe Would a vampdominix or a suckathron beat a Raven in close up 1on1? I haven't faced one in my Raven (not alone, not yet), so I couldn't say, but the numbers seem to suggest it. Once a Raven's cap breaks, it's all game over. Check missile launcher activation energy... and i think you have your answer there... You can beat raven with domi quite easy, mega has issues though. HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain

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