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Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:08:00 - [1] Edited by: Wrayeth on 27/12/2005 11:14:56 Well, it's official: My ability to make ISK has once again been removed. It appears that, while I was offline doing RL stuff for the holidays, the rat spawns in 0.0 got nerfed into crap again, once again making them so unprofitable as to not be worth wasting time on. After RMR, when ratting finally became a real ISK-making profession (though still not as good as mining), I finally started playing again because I could actually afford to buy new toys and keep myself in ships for PvP. I started training for a dread, since it actually looked like I'd have enough cash by the time I got the skills up to BUY one, and bought a bunch of implants to speed up the training. Imagine my surprise when, after Christmas, I log on and find I have 150 million in implants that were delivered and need to be payed for, buy them, then discover that the income I had counted on to make up for killing 75% of my wallet was gone. Now not only has my wallet fallen so low that I'm not willing to risk PvP atm, but I've also wasted a few weeks training for a dread that I'll never be able to afford, and bought implants that I didn't really need since training for a dread is pointless. So thanks, and have a happy new year, mmkay? Meanwhile, I'm going to reconsider the status of my account - I'm not sure this game is worth it anymore. EDIT: CCP, if you're planning on destroying the players' ability to make money, could you at least inform us a week in advance? -Wrayeth Go away.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:14:00 - [2] Is it just my imagination, or are all your posts complaints? --------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
Brisi	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:15:00 - [3] Have they been nerfed? My impression was that rat spawns were increased, and that it was much easier because of less scrambling/webbing frigs?
Martin Gore	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:15:00 - [4] The rats needed nerfing really, the amount of 3 x 1.4 mill bs spawns were silly.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:15:00 - [5] Just to clarify, I'm not disagreeing with you here. --------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:15:00 - [6] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 27/12/2005 11:16:57 Are u mad? The rats spawns are great last night out of 7 belts I went into in one system at least 3 belts had multiple BS in and the others had BC and cruisers. Come on 1 BC and Cruiser spawn is worth about 1mil at least for 2mins work. So I can't see where you say 0.0 rats have been nerfed? Oh and another point as Brisi said above warp scrambling frigs have almost disappeared and tanking the BS seems very easy now.
Embattle	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:16:00 - [7] How can you be informed when you are not here...perhaps they should phone you up personally or something ----------- Trolling - Ban - All I got was this silly Hat.
Rover Vitesse	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:16:00 - [8] I'm not sure what you mean by a "rat nerf". In my experience, since the RMR patch, the spawns are easier to kill, and have better bounties. The Battlecruiser NPC are so underpowered it's a joke, especially when you consider the bounty can be almost 1/4m. I have only NPC'd in Angel areas since the patch, and it's a widely accepted beleif that the Angels were the hardest to hunt pre-patch. Their damage has output appears to have dropped, making them easier to hunt, quicker. I Imagine you are hunting in another NPC area, if so it seems to me that the NPC have been balanced for toughness. I have hunted NPC of all types in the past, and have found you have to change your fighting style to make it easier on yourself. You don't explain how they have been nerfed. Once again, I have found that the BS spawns are more frequent, and larger, two or three BS instead of a single one being more prevalent. I'm interested that you post this, because almost everyone in my corp and alliance has said the exact opposite. Chimaera Pact Minister For Propaganda Rovers Chronicles
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Is it just my imagination, or are all your posts complaints? _________ Sig Removed, file wayy too big. -Abdalion Old Fonts! Bring 'em back!
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Martin Gore The rats needed nerfing really, the amount of 3 x 1.4 mill bs spawns were silly. How so? Is there some sort of law that says you can't make money ratting unless you find lots of officer spawns (which I don't)? Seriously, you STILL didn't make as much ratting as you did mining Arkonor, Bistot, or Mercoxite. -Wrayeth Go away.
Anjerrai Meloanis	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:18:00 - [11] yeh, and you can make laods of reprocessing the loot, every bs rat i killed dropped a heavy neut, heavy nos, large rep, large gun, just about. thats like 3mil isk worth of minerals each? uh.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Embattle How can you be informed when you are not here...perhaps they should phone you up personally or something /snicker First, there was no dev blog or announcement on the forums, both of which I'd occasionally check. Second, you must not have a family or friends you care about if you think going offline for a bit during the holidays is unwarranted. Get a life, man - even I have one, and I'm not the most sociable person out there. -Wrayeth Go away.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:19:00 - [13] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Is it just my imagination, or are all your posts complaints? No, seriously, someone please answer me. --------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Anjerrai Meloanis yeh, and you can make laods of reprocessing the loot, every bs rat i killed dropped a heavy neut, heavy nos, large rep, large gun, just about. thats like 3mil isk worth of minerals each? That'd be great - if I had a second account to haul for me. I don't - I don't make enough money IRL to afford one. I'm in college - 'nuff said. -Wrayeth Go away.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:20:00 - [15] Edited by: Wrayeth on 27/12/2005 11:24:47 Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Is it just my imagination, or are all your posts complaints? Yeah, most of them are. I'd rather be playing the game instead of posting, except when I have something that's screwing up my game experience. EDIT: Or I'm still awake during downtime with nothing better to do. -Wrayeth Go away.
Rover Vitesse	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:21:00 - [16] So, can you explain, how in your opinion, they have been "nerfed"? Chimaera Pact Minister For Propaganda Rovers Chronicles
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:22:00 - [17] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 27/12/2005 11:24:11 I cant see how its not profitable a couple of hours chaining the spawns make at least 30 mil without the loot. Note: They have also increased the bountys on all the BS as well 1mil BS is now 1.25mil, 8.5mil officer is now a stupid 17.5mil Isk!!! Plus you say you can make more isk mining, but you need usually 2 people one to mine one to haul or provide cover so your only making half the isk.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Rover Vitesse I'm not sure what you mean by a "rat nerf". In my experience, since the RMR patch, the spawns are easier to kill, and have better bounties. The Battlecruiser NPC are so underpowered it's a joke, especially when you consider the bounty can be almost 1/4m. I have only NPC'd in Angel areas since the patch, and it's a widely accepted beleif that the Angels were the hardest to hunt pre-patch. Their damage has output appears to have dropped, making them easier to hunt, quicker. I Imagine you are hunting in another NPC area, if so it seems to me that the NPC have been balanced for toughness. I have hunted NPC of all types in the past, and have found you have to change your fighting style to make it easier on yourself. You don't explain how they have been nerfed. Once again, I have found that the BS spawns are more frequent, and larger, two or three BS instead of a single one being more prevalent. I'm interested that you post this, because almost everyone in my corp and alliance has said the exact opposite. They've been nerfed (in Fountain, anyway), so that there are far fewer battleship spawns, and those are mostly singles. I went through 30 belts in one system and found only four battleship spawns, and only one of those was more than a single battleship and some cruisers. The rest were battlecruiser spawns. I checked this with the other people in my area, and they told me that the rats have been crap for the last few days, whereas, for the first two weeks after RMR, they were actually good, with a number of multiple-battleship spawns available to kill in every system. -Wrayeth Go away.
Braaage	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:24:00 - [19] Who needs to mine anymore when u have NPC haulers dropping full jet cans of megacyte and every ore going cept merc. ___________________________________________ http://www.eve-tutor.com Picture based tutorial site for EVE-Online
Zolofine	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Wrayeth Originally by: Anjerrai Meloanis yeh, and you can make laods of reprocessing the loot, every bs rat i killed dropped a heavy neut, heavy nos, large rep, large gun, just about. thats like 3mil isk worth of minerals each? That'd be great - if I had a second account to haul for me. I don't - I don't make enough money IRL to afford one. I'm in college - 'nuff said. So since when do you need a second account to grab loot? I have one account, i hunt rats, i pick up the loot and recycle it... i make plenty for everything you mentioned and from what i can tell we hunt the same rats. I really don't see your point...
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:32:00 - [21] Edited by: Wrayeth on 27/12/2005 11:35:42 Originally by: Zolofine I have one account, i hunt rats, i pick up the loot and recycle it... i make plenty for everything you mentioned and from what i can tell we hunt the same rats. I really don't see your point... Let me guess: you fly an apoc for ratting, right? If you don't, you don't have enough cargo space to carry loot - you need room for ammo, which means you're limited in what you can pick up. I end up only picking up the good, named items - and those seem fewer and farther between post-patch. EDIT: This is also where having more money IRL means you have more money in-game - you can afford a second account to haul for you. Funny how people spending more money IRL means they make more ISK in game, isn't it? God, I hate being poor. In any case, unless you actually find a commander or officer (which I rarely do), you don't make much ISK off of the loot, anyway, because most of it won't sell. Combine that with not having many battleships to kill, and your income goes to crap. -Wrayeth Go away.
dreddish	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:35:00 - [22] rats have been nerfed - cant find anything now :(
Uther Doull	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:35:00 - [23] i noticed last night that it took me WAY longer finding a bs spawn... hell i only found like 2-3 in a system that had like 15 belts... this is a lot less then what it was between RMR and christmas now i will have to go back to the boring agents... sniff
Embattle	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:36:00 - [24] Edited by: Embattle on 27/12/2005 11:35:51 Originally by: Wrayeth Originally by: Embattle How can you be informed when you are not here...perhaps they should phone you up personally or something /snicker First, there was no dev blog or announcement on the forums, both of which I'd occasionally check. Second, you must not have a family or friends you care about if you think going offline for a bit during the holidays is unwarranted. Get a life, man - even I have one, and I'm not the most sociable person out there. What an original reply -Circa 1860 ----------- Trolling - Ban - All I got was this silly Hat.
Rendill	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Embattle Edited by: Embattle on 27/12/2005 11:35:51 Originally by: Wrayeth Originally by: Embattle How can you be informed when you are not here...perhaps they should phone you up personally or something /snicker First, there was no dev blog or announcement on the forums, both of which I'd occasionally check. Second, you must not have a family or friends you care about if you think going offline for a bit during the holidays is unwarranted. Get a life, man - even I have one, and I'm not the most sociable person out there. What an original reply -Circa 1860 Fly an APOC then. Or get a FRIEND in a hauler. If you can't make money in this game atm you realy should quit. Signature size too big - Laqum
CueCia	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:39:00 - [26] I totally agree to wrayeths post. This is nothing but insane, CCP you claim that you want to get more people to 0.0 but do you honestly believe that by making it more profitable to be in empire is the way? And for the person who said that NPC bounties are better now: Not a chance in hell. Biggest bounty on a regular BS ive seen is 950k, and those good sir, are very unusual. You are more likely to find 500k ones if you find them at all. So by taking away NPCing in 0.0, with the most crappy mineral market in months making mining alot less profitable, how do you expect us to survive out here? And I mind you, not everyone is into mining and only NPCs for a living. I know, lets go use the freaking lvl 4 agents. Bounties on those ships are CRAP as well but at least you get loyalty points. You are nerfing all ways we have to make isk in this game, its becoming unplayable unless you are a lucky bastard and own a T2 BPO. Which most of us isnt. So for heavens sake, acknowledge your mistake and correct it please!
Zolofine	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:39:00 - [27] Edited by: Zolofine on 27/12/2005 11:43:23 Originally by: Wrayeth Let me guess: you fly an apoc for ratting, right? No apoc's for me. I fly nothing but gallente ships and it helps to have containers near and then haul the loot from that container to wherever you need it (just an idea). And also, the loot drops got much better imho. I've been getting alot more high end module drops since RMR (protos, spanders, acco's, rolled plates etc) so overall i' not complaining although it does involve a bit more 'work' then simply sitting there and capping everything red and ****ed off. Edit: Cuecia, i've been getting lots of tripple 1.7 spawns... maybe you need to find more fertile hunting grounds ;)
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:40:00 - [28] Guys i did make a post when RMR went in and the BS spawns were showing up that CCP within 2 weeks would reduce them as they were to much - there are hotfixes nearly every dt - CCp balance things u might find within a month the BS spawns are bumped up again. CCP make balancing changes all the time - this also extended to NPCs as they found a balance looks like youre back to cruisers and frigs. Dunno what u will do to survive but everyone has noticed On a good fron the amount of RAM chips being dropped has gone up. Still t2 producers wont come to aridia to pick up supply so ill just keep building the market for non existant goods that are being screamed for in jita but most are to lasy to travel to pickup Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Rendill Fly an APOC then. Or get a FRIEND in a hauler. If you can't make money in this game atm you realy should quit. My skills are in Minmatar and Caldari, thank you very much. Also, getting a friend in a hauler means you make less ISK overall - he gets half of everything, so you dont' receieve as much. -Wrayeth Go away.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:41:00 - [30] Edited by: Wrayeth on 27/12/2005 11:44:36 Originally by: Zolofine No apoc's for me. I fly nothing but gallente ships and it helps to have containers near and then haul the loot from that container to wherever you need it (just an idea). And also, the loot drops got much better imho. I've been getting alot more high end module drops since RMR (protos, spanders, acco's, rolled plates etc) so overall i' not complaining although it does involve a bit more 'work' then simply sitting there and capping everything red and ****ed off. Huh. Well, maybe the rats are better up in Core, then. Even the loot seems to have been nerfed in my area - I get jack-all when it comes to named items, and I check every battleship can...when I actually FIND a battleship spawn, anyway. Loot was great for a while after RMR, but now it's just as bad as the spawns. I'd move up to Core, but it seems my esteemed alliance isn't willing to make the effort to kick you guys out. -Wrayeth Go away.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:44:00 - [31] one of the recent hotfixes appears to have balanced them out (low sec ones have now improved however elss frigs and more high end named cruisers) - syndicate also has had a boost with slightly more battleships - same amount of cruisers and slightly more frigs (just the areas ive been around) Other areas ie delve have had a boost while some others have been nerfed Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw.
CueCia	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:46:00 - [32] I would guess bounties hasnt changed and those are crap nowadays.
DeGrand	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:46:00 - [33] Edited by: DeGrand on 27/12/2005 11:47:29 Ahem pick up loot, hold full ? -> secure cans. Moving to a system with npc stations in em is better tho. It`s still better than before, lots of triple BS spawns to be found..and if you cultivate your system (keep the good spawns, kill the crap ones) then you can make a bundle, and make a BS from the loot after 2 nights. Oh and gimme the BS sized commanders back ffs! Them cruiser ones are crap.
Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:48:00 - [34] Rat hunting got noticeably easier and more profitable since RMR patch. The only nerf I experienced is lack of commander and hauler spawns. This one was very noticeable. My guess is that the NPC spawn generation algorithm got changed into something a lot less random. In certain areas you'll never find a commander spawn. I guess in certain areas you never find good bs spawn either, hence it seems like a nerf to you. Overall, NPC changes were good, but randomization of spawns got nerfed. You just need to find systems where good spawns appear.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:48:00 - [35] Edited by: Wrayeth on 27/12/2005 11:52:43 Edited by: Wrayeth on 27/12/2005 11:50:36 Originally by: DeGrand Ahem pick up loot, hold full ? -> secure cans. Moving to a system with npc stations in em is better tho. It`s still better than before, lots of triple BS spawns to be found..and if you cultivate your system (keep the good spawns, kill the crap ones) then you can make a bundle, and make a BS from the loot after 2 nights. I'd do that, but we don't own any systems like that. If the alliance would actually work together and take over a freakin' area with those type of spawns, it'd be great - but right now we aren't. And when decisions ARE made, the membership only hears about them AFTER the fact - like the war with BoB. No one from my corp knew that was coming - not even our CEO (personally, I have no problem with the war, but it'd be nice to know ahead of time when something like that's going to happen). -Wrayeth Go away.
Zolofine	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:51:00 - [36] Originally by: Wrayeth I check every battleship can...when I actually FIND a battleship spawn, anyway. Loot was great for a while after RMR, but now it's just as bad as the spawns. I'd move up to Core, but it seems my esteemed alliance isn't willing to make the effort to kick you guys out. I strongly advise you to also check the cans of the lower spawns. Especially the BC spawns. You might find it worth your time ;-). Ps: I don't hunt in core, and sry to hear that.
MysticNZ	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:59:00 - [37] Crusier spawms drop impressive loot in 00 sometimes. Btw, i'm seeing 3x bs spawns here... 1.6m each... wtf is the problem? -
welsh wizard	Posted - 2005.12.27 11:59:00 - [38] I have to disagree here, as you know Wrayeth we both inhabit the same part of Fountain. At any time of day I can undock, fire up my scanner and ALWAYS find at least 3+ 1.1mil+ isk battleship spawns in the nearby belts. If you put your mind to it, you can make 100mil+ isk a day in our particular part of Fountain. It's not as if you have to worry about Xelas crashing your party either.... ;)
Temerlyn	Posted - 2005.12.27 12:02:00 - [39] Sorry mate but your obviously doing it wrong. Even on a bad day i make 5-10 mil an hour and thats before i even sell the loot. In one day i can get a Battleship worth of mins from loot recycles. Again, adapt and overcome.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.27 12:03:00 - [40] Heh... The Taurus and Wyvern constellations don't have **** for battlehips in them. I found exactly ONE spawn with more than one battleship prior to downtime, and I went through 30 belts and was the only person in system. -Wrayeth Go away.
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.12.27 12:05:00 - [41] Originally by: CueCia I totally agree to wrayeths post. This is nothing but insane, CCP you claim that you want to get more people to 0.0 but do you honestly believe that by making it more profitable to be in empire is the way? And for the person who said that NPC bounties are better now: Not a chance in hell. Biggest bounty on a regular BS ive seen is 950k, and those good sir, are very unusual. You are more likely to find 500k ones if you find them at all. So by taking away NPCing in 0.0, with the most crappy mineral market in months making mining alot less profitable, how do you expect us to survive out here? And I mind you, not everyone is into mining and only NPCs for a living. I know, lets go use the freaking lvl 4 agents. Bounties on those ships are CRAP as well but at least you get loyalty points. You are nerfing all ways we have to make isk in this game, its becoming unplayable unless you are a lucky bastard and own a T2 BPO. Which most of us isnt. So for heavens sake, acknowledge your mistake and correct it please! Dunno where your hunting but where I am you have multiple BS at least 70% are 950k plus and if u do get 500k u get at least 2 of them, the BC spawns 225K each BC which takes about 2 volleys to kill, the HACS upto 375k each. lvl 4 npc bountys have been reduced again so are even loss profitable now.
Azuriel Talloth	Posted - 2005.12.27 12:07:00 - [42] Find out the true system sec of your system. Likely it's too tame to spawn the best npc groups.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.12.27 12:09:00 - [43] Originally by: Azuriel Talloth Find out the true system sec of your system. Likely it's too tame to spawn the best npc groups. Yep - except we only have one system in our entire area with good pirate sec status, and that's always ratted out. (It's also the only system with good minerals.) If CCP truly wants people out of Empire, they should make multiple systems in each 0.0 constellation profitable, not just one or two. That way, there'd be a REASON for players to inhabit them. -Wrayeth Go away.
welsh wizard	Posted - 2005.12.27 12:15:00 - [44] Edited by: welsh wizard on 27/12/2005 12:16:01 Where exactly are you based Wrayeth? If you're anywhere near me (which I believe you are) then you must be either extremely unlucky or too stubborn to see it. The high end rat spawns are crawling out of every orifice, no joke.
TFU 2	Posted - 2005.12.27 13:43:00 - [45] Last night i had 3 1.5M BS plus escort with 2 1m haulers. Not seen an officer type for ages though
Velsharoon	Posted - 2005.12.27 13:48:00 - [46] I havent seen anything faction or commander apart from two domination BC, im starting to think the chap talking about randomisation has hit the hail on the head as I have lots of BS spawns
Earthan	Posted - 2005.12.27 14:00:00 - [47] If they have nerfed npc again thats sad:( Imho they needed not nerfing but boosting the risk by adding more warp scrmbling/webifying. Well if its bad guess im back to mining ***************************** Out here on the perimeter there are no stars Out here we is stoned-immaculate.
MalaMo	Posted - 2005.12.27 14:01:00 - [48] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Dunno where your hunting but where I am you have multiple BS at least 70% are 950k plus and if u do get 500k u get at least 2 of them, the BC spawns 225K each BC which takes about 2 volleys to kill, the HACS upto 375k each. lvl 4 npc bountys have been reduced again so are even loss profitable now. Well systems with that kind of spawns are rare, I saw similar spawns in delve but to many BoB and company around so I decide to check again syndicate after RMR to see if they are better then before. Too much expectation, before there were BS now are BCs. Crap crap crap... Nothing new if you want to get best from 0.0 get in some big aliance. Doh ------------- Don't drink and drive, logon to EVE and fly.
Lunaticdie04	Posted - 2005.12.27 14:10:00 - [49] My god you do complain alot. So many people have given you good ideas but you just *** * *. Collecting loot then making a safespot and jetting the loot there for hauling back to a station later. 'Culltivating a system' as someone said. I call it chaining a system. Keep the BS spawns alive by killin gonly the BS and leave the smaller rats alone (frigs or cruisers). After a few hours of hunting you will have made tens of millions in bountys. And don't forget all the loot you've collected. Maybe find a system that has uber evil rats. This site might help you find some. If your still planning on quitting then just do it. EVE doesn't need any more whiners. It does have its faults but if you all your going to do is complain and not make any suggestions as to how it can be fixed then ** off. P.S. Can I have your stuff?
slip66	Posted - 2005.12.27 14:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 27/12/2005 11:24:47 Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Is it just my imagination, or are all your posts complaints? Yeah, most of them are. I'd rather be playing the game instead of posting, except when I have something that's screwing up my game experience. EDIT: Or I'm still awake during downtime with nothing better to do. Use on of you alts, take 7 days train him to use a hauler, logff/logon hauler
dantes inferno	Posted - 2005.12.27 14:29:00 - [51] well today ive had god know how much single BS spawns (from 500 - 1.4),a triple 500k spawn, a double 1.4 mil spawn, a triple 950k spawn and a TS 6 mil spawn..so i dont think they have nerfed anything...yet _____ "When mothers warned their children that the monster would get them, that monster was me. I was the nightmare that kept
Gungankllr	Posted - 2005.12.27 14:45:00 - [52] If you want to compare nerfings, try L4 missions. NPC bounties were nerfed, missiles were nerfed, and finally NPC's are stronger and jam/dampen/scramble. If I had an inroad to 0.0, I'd happily NPC all bloody day instead of grinding missions.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.12.27 15:07:00 - [53] This is quite funny. There was a post a few days back where a PA guy moaned there was now too much ISK in ratting. Now you claim the opposite.
Kraven Kor	Posted - 2005.12.27 15:11:00 - [54] I dunno Wrayeth, I think it has been better since RMR but that's just me. I'd advise seeing if you can get a younger toon to haul loot for you and split the minerals -- we turn a ~weeks rat hunting into Battleships with a Scrap Processing 5 character :)
Icee Cold	Posted - 2005.12.27 17:59:00 - [55] Alot of you are talking out of your butt..sorry to say. Yes right after RMR these was a HUGE boost to the BS spawns. They have nerfed it(the BS spawns) HARD since RMR. Now is it better than it was before RMR? Well I don't know...maybe a little bit. But they HAVE nerfed the spawn rate of BSes from the RMR release. If you think they have not then you either A) think 4 hour of ratting is enough for you to "know" B) never did enough ratting right after RMR to see the insane amount of BSes that were spawning.
Kurren	Posted - 2005.12.27 18:27:00 - [56] Originally by: Wrayeth Originally by: Martin Gore The rats needed nerfing really, the amount of 3 x 1.4 mill bs spawns were silly. How so? Is there some sort of law that says you can't make money ratting unless you find lots of officer spawns (which I don't)? Seriously, you STILL didn't make as much ratting as you did mining Arkonor, Bistot, or Mercoxite. Well, I certainly hope you didn't plan on making your fortune on killing frigates... And, mining is boring... so to keep people doing it, the pay-off is better. ************************************************* Let's be honest, you know you think it's funny! =)
NebulousBlur	Posted - 2005.12.27 18:35:00 - [57] I think you've just been unlucky. I went to my normal haunts last night to hunt some rats and all I found were cruisers and frigates at every asteroid belt. After clearing them out and waiting, I started finding battleships once again. Proud user of Warp Core Stabilizers
Jamm0	Posted - 2005.12.27 18:59:00 - [58] Farm the belts, chain the bs. Not really that hard. By 'the rat spawns in 0.0 got nerfed into crap again' what do you exactly mean. Ive npc'd once since rmr, there were more multiple bs spawns with increased bounty's and easiser to kill. Have they changed the system again? If re-installing somthing does not fix your problem, bin it. Nerf Amarr.(oh its been done now :o)
Virago	Posted - 2005.12.27 19:38:00 - [59] Wrayeth....where exactly are you hunting? 3 Jumps from Jita? Dude...the low sec rat spawns are ridiculous now....I've made more money in bounties and rat loot since RMR than my whole time in low sec. (3 months) My main hunts in one particular 0.0 system, which is on the upper end of being 0.0, and there are twin Bships on 90% of the belts. This past weekend I found 5 Arby Siege, 7 Arby Heavies, 2 Arby Cruise, Dread Ballistic, Dread Cloak, 7 Eutelic cap chargers....and the list goes on.....and increased my Security by almost a whole point. If anything the rats really DO need nerfing. It's crazy....
Exaali Vendraxxil	Posted - 2005.12.27 19:45:00 - [60] My impression is that the 0.0 spawns now aren't as good as they were immediately after the RMR patch ('good' as in frequency of multi BS spawns). I am not (nor do I think the OP is) saying they suck now, but they're not as good as immed. post-patch. I have no data to back this up. Just my impression.
Larz63	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:00:00 - [61] Nerfed? Um, where I hunt, the spawns are still very good if not better then they were pre-RMR. I think they are better cuz now while I am chaining the 3x 1.4mil BS spawns, I can fly around the belts and kill the 500k BSes and make ISK even faster. Maybe you need to get some new hunting grounds. Well, if you do quit....actually, I'm not even going to ask. I'm sure you know what I am going to say. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:50:00 - [62] I make more money than ever on low end NPC's, I say they nerf Wrayeth's forum access.
ManSechs	Posted - 2005.12.27 20:58:00 - [63] Go on a whine. You must be bad at hunting, i can go out in 1 hour and easily make 10-15 mil and not even break a sweat. and im only in a -.4 sec status system.

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