Originally by: Anigo Montioa

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Is it possible to allow the window to be maximized? (Not a necessity, but it would be nice.)

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Originally by: Cadinie

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it seems CCP even though they say this application is ok, has just given it the shaft. if you try to open apoc patched clients it will only show gallente and minmatar under models. and under those there is praticly nothing at all. the only things left you can open are a very very few random objects. if anyone has a patch to undo what CCP did, please tell me.

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Originally by: Davik Rendar

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Oh wow, the .red files are waaaaay nicer to read than the old .blue files, they we're mostly gibberish with a few texture names hidden in it.

I wonder if we can get CCP to comment on what all the parameters are in the .red files, that will make it a lot easier to replicate the materials inside 3D apps.

Updated Links to TriExporter (so you dont have to go searching through the thread for it).
TriExporter - Latest version (0.4.1.0beta - opens .gr2 files)
Broken models in .obj format - Barges, Nyx, Moros, Opux and Thrasher (Thanks to Ouroborus777)

I will look at getting a Tutorial written, one for just general model extraction and texture conversion, and another Cinema 4D specific one for setting up the materials.

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• Increased Screen Render Space


• Enlarged File List for Easy Viewing


• Updated Many Error Messages


• Cleaned Up UI & Menu Text


• New Icon! (Woooo)


• New Icons for Tree List


• Maximize works, but has a minor issue. >_>

Originally by: DaOpa

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Does anyone know the Line up for the T3 Subsystems models ?

IE what models is what subsystem?

Theres only 1 part of the models that I know for sure .. and thats the Offensive which is named

s1 = Offensive Subsystem

Does anyone know what the rest are ?

s2 =
s3 =
s4 =
s5 =

...
I was trying to figure out what subs go with what model.. but theres only 1 verison seeded .. and I cant figure it out without more verisons ..

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Originally by: Irumani

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Aurvundill, if you could add a check box option when extracting a whole directory, to export all included .gr2 files as .obj and/or .3ds, you'd be my new personal god.

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Originally by: DaOpa

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Originally by: Aurvundill

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Originally by: DaOpa

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Does anyone know the Line up for the T3 Subsystems models ?

IE what models is what subsystem?

Theres only 1 part of the models that I know for sure .. and thats the Offensive which is named

s1 = Offensive Subsystem

Does anyone know what the rest are ?

s2 =
s3 =
s4 =
s5 =

...
I was trying to figure out what subs go with what model.. but theres only 1 verison seeded .. and I cant figure it out without more verisons ..

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s1 = front
s2 = front middle
s3 = middle
s4 = back middle
s5 = back/engine

You have 5 versions of each peice however only Minny's s1-5v4&v5 are modeled.

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ok .. let me try again :P

s1 = front = OFFENSIVE SUBSYSTEM
s2 = front middle = WHAT?
s3 = middle = WHAT?
s4 = back middle = WHAT?
s5 = back/engine = WHAT?

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Originally by: Quantar Raalsken

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nice new sig

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Originally by: Quantar Raalsken

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Edited by: Quantar Raalsken on 03/04/2009 16:54:20

Originally by: Aurvundill

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Originally by: Quantar Raalsken

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nice new sig

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Thanks, was messing around with the color constants on the shader.
About 75% of it is complete.

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btw which shader did u use?

the ones that are pointed to in the .red files take me to "pieces" of shader files and they are already compiled so i cant make any use of them...i tried hacking together the ship.fx one but i got lost lol

Edit: also all of my ship_d.dds files are showing up as black/blank in all my picture editors/viewers with .dds support
any idea?

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Originally by: MagicBox

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Is there any chance to put in a Export to Animated gif option?

or would that be to hard to code in ?

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Originally by: Nakuda

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Originally by: Aurvundill

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Edited by: Aurvundill on 03/04/2009 23:34:00
N = Normal Maps (Normally found in the Alpha Layer on an Shipname_ngs.dds combo)

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But that is just one channel of the normal map? You use it as a heigh map?
After bit of testing I noticed that EVE normal maps have their color channels on wrong places, so they need some manipulation to make them work as normal maps (not just height maps) in 3D softwares.

This is for Gimp, but same basic idea on other image manipulation programs like photoshop.
Load shipname_ngs.dds (you will need the .dds plugin)
Decompose (separate color channels to layers)
Invert Red channel (black to white)
Recompose:
Red to Blue
Blue to Alpha
Green to Red
Alpha to Green
Save to any format you like.

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Originally by: Davik Rendar

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I just wrote myself a nice little photoshop macro to convert the normal maps. So I just have to open the dds in PS, run my normal map extraction macro and save it out. You do start going a little nuts after converting about 150 models with 5 separate textures each though.

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Originally by: Anigo Montioa

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Just out of curiosity Aurvundil, but what program do you use for your renders? Rendering engine included?

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Originally by: Anigo Montioa

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I'm using 3ds Max 9 with VRay and I'm having a hard time getting even close to matching your render quality. Albeit, I'm not the best when it comes to rendering or anything. Still can't seem to figure out how the DirectX Shader material fully works. I can get it to load the .fx (sometimes, lately the ship.fx doesn't want to properly link to ObjectLit_pool.fx), and when it does and I render the scene, it's like the shader does nothing to modify the model at all. Am I completely misunderstanding what the shader is suppose to be doing, or what?

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type: EveShip2
turrets: []
name: "Abc2"
mesh:
 type: Tr2Mesh
 geometryResPath: "res:/dx9/model/ship/amarr/abc2/polySurfaceShape1.gr2"
 lowDetailGeometryResPath: "res:/dx9/model/ship/amarr/abc2/polySurfaceShape1_lowDetail.gr2"
 opaqueAreas:
 - type: Tr2MeshArea
 name: "MainHull"
 effect:
 type: Tr2Effect
 name: "Armor"
 effectFilePath: "res:/Graphics/Effect/Managed/Space/Ship/DoubleFresnelReflectionWithGlow.fx"
 parameters:
 - type: Tr2Vector4Parameter
 name: "MaterialDiffuseColor"
 value: [0.654902, 0.6156863, 0.5803922, 1]
 - type: Tr2Vector4Parameter
 name: "MaterialSpecularFactors"
 value: [0, 1, 0, 0]
 - type: Tr2Vector4Parameter
 name: "MaskDiffuseColor"
 value: [0.6509804, 0.6235294, 0.5882353, 1]
 - type: Tr2Vector4Parameter
 name: "MaskSpecularFactors"
 value: [0, 5, 0, 0]
 - type: Tr2Vector4Parameter
 name: "GlowColor"
 value: [3.5, 2.902899, 1.874367, 1]
 - type: Tr2Vector4Parameter
 name: "FresnelFactors"
 value: [1, 2.5, 1, 0]

Originally by: Anigo Montioa

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Originally by: Aurvundill

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The FX file is compiled shader code with parameters.
Those need to be set via an engine or render.

Pulling an excerpt from abc2.red.

-snip-

The values you see are for the vectors, they can manipulate color, lighting, glow or power of a parameter.
Most ships have multiable layers and colors, so you need to drop in the proper value to grab the proper color.
Vectors have 4 values when applied to a texture. [RED, GREEN, BLUE, ALPHA], but that is only when a parameter is calling colors. Otherwise its [VALUE1, VALUE2, VALUE3, VALUE4]
Glow controls lighting for the alpha layer on the diffuse map as defined in the .FX file.

Anywho, a good number of ships require 2 different shaders just for the tech 1 stuff.
There is a special tech 2 shader in the .RED file also.

Lot to type. :P

It might be best to manipulate the values via another shader that references the .FX with the .RED variables.

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So with the .red file (I'm using the Rifter one, mf4.red), it references to this .fx file: "res:/Graphics/Effect/Managed/Space/Ship/DoubleFresnelReflectionWithGlow.fx". As I'm sure you've discovered, that actual file doesn't exist, as it's compiled into sm_3_0_Hi, etc. How would I take that along with the vector values and use them with VRay.

What exactly do you mean by two separate shaders? I mean, I know you're saying two different shaders, but I can only seem to find one for the Rifter?
I'm new to this whole shader thing too, and I'm not sure if you use/know how to use VRay as it remains a mystery.

Sorry for all the questions, just a lot more involving than I thought!

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Originally by: Anigo Montioa

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How do you go about texturing the Docking Bays? I know there are several materials for each section but how do you get the materials to line up? Flipping them doesn't seem to be doing the trick.

Ideas?

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Originally by: Davik Rendar

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As for what texture goes where? You just kind of have to guess. Some of them are in order, others aren't. Usually I find the textures in the .red file called "armor" are the big main areas and the textures called "tech" are for some of the smaller detail areas.

Check out the preview viewer in the latest Singularity client, it's the little red button next to the ship image in the "show info" window. It works with drones and stations too, very handy for having a look at the models and working out where the textures go.

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type: EveShip2
turrets: []
name: "Abc2"
mesh:
 type: Tr2Mesh
 geometryResPath: "res:/dx9/model/ship/amarr/abc2/polySurfaceShape1.gr2" (MODEL)
 lowDetailGeometryResPath: "res:/dx9/model/ship/amarr/abc2/polySurfaceShape1_lowDetail.gr2" (LOW DETAIL)
 opaqueAreas:
 - type: Tr2MeshArea
 name: "MainHull" (Primary Texture)
 effect:
 type: Tr2Effect
 name: "Armor" (Tech 1 Shader & Vectors)
 effectFilePath: "res:/Graphics/Effect/Managed/Space/Ship/DoubleFresnelReflectionWithGlow.fx"
 parameters:
 - type: Tr2MeshArea
 name: "MainHull"
 effect:
 type: Tr2Effect
 name: "Crome" (Tech 1 Crome Effect Shader & Vectors)
 effectFilePath: "res:/Graphics/Effect/Managed/Space/Ship/DoubleFresnelReflectionWithGlow.fx"
 parameters:
 - type: Tr2MeshArea
 name: "MainHull"
 effect:
 type: Tr2Effect
 name: "Tech" ('Tech' is Tech 2 Armor Shader & Vectors, can cover all material slots)
 effectFilePath: "res:/Graphics/Effect/Managed/Space/Ship/DoubleFresnelReflectionWithGlow.fx"
 decalAreas: []
 depthAreas: []
 transparentAreas: []
 additiveAreas: []
shadowEffect: (Controls Shadow Resolution and Rendering)
 type: Tr2Effect
 effectFilePath: "res:/Graphics/Effect/Managed/Space/Ship/Shadow.fx"
 parameters: []
 resources: []
damageLocators: (Smoke and Fire effect for Hull Damage)
spriteSets:
 effect: (Blinking Lights, Locations, and Timers)
 type: Tr2Effect
 effectFilePath: "res:/Graphics/Effect/Managed/Space/Ship/FlashingLights.fxo"
 parameters: []
 resources:
locators: (Turrent Locations for roll, pitch and yaw)
- type: EveLocator2
 name: "locator_turret_1a" (Turrent ID Location)
 transform: (Controls roll, pitch and yaw)

Originally by: Davik Rendar

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Aurvundill: I'm using Cinema 4d (.C4D)

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Originally by: Davik Rendar

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Originally by: Aurvundill

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Originally by: Davik Rendar

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Aurvundill: I'm using Cinema 4d (.C4D)

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Welp, that quite expensive.

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Heh, yea, its a legit commercial license too, as I was doing some professional 3D work for a little while.

As for the .RED files, I'm not completely convinced. There are separate .red files for Tech 2 shaders for example (a lot of which are in the "factionpc" folder).

Quote:

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- type: Tr2MeshArea

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From what I've found each of these is assigned to a different UV area of the mesh. And when I've applied the textures with the colour values listed under each "type" section, they have come out looking exactly right.

Although I haven't had any experience with DirectX shaders or anything like that before, so everything I say is just purely from my own recent findings and previous 3D experience.

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Originally by: Hellena

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ive been experiencing fatal errors with the program. i got it to open once and navigated to my EVE directory...then the program 'encountered an error' and needed to close. now, it wont even open.

am running xp 64 bit.

any suggestions? or....would people want to email me converted .obj files?

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[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TriExporter]
"EVE"="C:\\Program Files(x86)\\CCP\\EVE"