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Ambassador Spock
Starfleet Academy Red Squad
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:37:00 -
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Would you pay a bit more for a PLEX if you knew CCP would donate the extra amount to space exploration research?
I was lucky enough to get one of CCP's four free tickets to the Starship Congress, currently going on in Dallas, TX. Being here has made me wish there was a more concrete way for me to actively contribute to the research going on in space propulsion, closed-loop habitats, and other related topics.
So I was thinking: if CCP introduced a sort of 'premium' PLEX, which would cost $25 instead of $20, with $5 for each one bought going to an organization such as Icarus Intersteller (or some other group dedicated to space exploration research), would you buy one? They would likely sell for more isk in-game, but I, for one, would gladly pay 650 mil isk or more to PLEX my account if I knew some money was going to research. Hell, if that were the case I'd gladly PLEX all my friends accounts too.
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Dimaloun Vyreen
Venture Corporation
10
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:43:00 -
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That'd be a great idea. NASA is also researching a warp drive. Seeing if one is possible, that is. There are three things you say to the police. "Yes, sir", "No, sir" and "I want a lawyer". There is one thing you say to Concord, "Wait, it wasn-" |
Zane Lowe
I Need Some Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:47:00 -
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Why not just buy a plex and donate the money yourself?
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Darth Peaches
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:53:00 -
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Zane Lowe wrote:Why not just buy a plex and donate the money yourself?
Exactly, why force other people to donate to research they may care nothing about just to buy PLEX?
No one is going to start buying PLEX simply because now NASA gets some extra money when they could just donate without needing to buy PLEX.
The only effect this would have is lowering the amount of PLEX sold, thus less money for CCP for no reason. |
Ambassador Spock
Starfleet Academy Red Squad
7
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:55:00 -
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Zane Lowe wrote:Why not just buy a plex and donate the money yourself?
Mostly because I have a decent amount of isk but very little disposable cash. This would essentially be a way to support research with isk, while not really costing CCP anything extra (except for the time it would take to add the item into the database, update the website, and cut a check every once in a while.)
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Kames Jerk
The Pack Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:55:00 -
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I certainly would pay more for such a PLEX, provided there was transparency in the process. I'd feel a lot beter if I could see some numbers from CCP showing where the money went.
I should also mention that CCP is a major sponsor of the Icarus Interstellar Starship Congress going on this weekend. Good on them! |
Whitehound
1836
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:56:00 -
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No, thank you. We already have a nice planet we can live on and still we fail to give everyone a good life here. Give too much money to space exploration and all you get is something like in the sci-fi film Elysium, where rich bricks live in space and everyone else gets left behind on Earth. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
368
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:57:00 -
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I think OP wants to donate ISK to fund space exploration research
OP pays 200m more for a PLEX+ ingame
Somone pays -ú5 more for PLEX+ from CCP
CCP gives -ú5 to X
they trade and OP has indirectly donated -ú5.
This is essentially the same mechanic as PLEX For Good in principle.
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Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
449
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:57:00 -
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Ambassador Spock wrote:Would you pay a bit more for a PLEX if you knew CCP would donate the extra amount to space exploration research?
I was lucky enough to get one of CCP's four free tickets to the Starship Congress, currently going on in Dallas, TX. Being here has made me wish there was a more concrete way for me to actively contribute to the research going on in space propulsion, closed-loop habitats, and other related topics.
So I was thinking: if CCP introduced a sort of 'premium' PLEX, which would cost $25 instead of $20, with $5 for each one bought going to an organization such as Icarus Intersteller (or some other group dedicated to space exploration research), would you buy one? They would likely sell for more isk in-game, but I, for one, would gladly pay 650 mil isk or more to PLEX my account if I knew some money was going to research. Hell, if that were the case I'd gladly PLEX all my friends accounts too.
Not really. The company I work for donates to the charities of our own choosing each year. All I do is pick 3 charities ($1,000 per charity, I guess I could choose more than 3 but meh) (Boobies [Cancer], Cancer Research, and SETI).
Maybe I'll pick a different space affiliated foundation what with Congress and their earmarking loveliness. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Kames Jerk
The Pack Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:59:00 -
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Darth Peaches wrote:Zane Lowe wrote:Why not just buy a plex and donate the money yourself?
Exactly, why force other people to donate to research they may care nothing about just to buy PLEX? No one is going to start buying PLEX simply because now NASA gets some extra money when they could just donate without needing to buy PLEX. The only effect this would have is lowering the amount of PLEX sold, thus less money for CCP for no reason.
I'd be very annoyed if the donation went to NASA. I'd much rather my donation go to one of the very deserving private organizations pushing the ball forward on space travel. NASA is too focused on "quick" achievable goals and very little big picture, though that's more a product of their risk-averse funding source than anything else. |
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Darth Peaches
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2013.08.16 21:02:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:I think OP wants to donate ISK to fund space exploration research
OP pays 200m more for a PLEX+ ingame
Somone pays -ú5 more for PLEX+ from CCP
CCP gives -ú5 to X
they trade and OP has indirectly donated -ú5.
This is essentially the same mechanic as PLEX For Good in principle.
Yeah that makes it far more understandable. Regardless, it kind of forces it on everyone else who buys PLEX which I don't approve of. |
Ambassador Spock
Starfleet Academy Red Squad
7
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Posted - 2013.08.16 21:07:00 -
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Darth Peaches wrote:Zane Lowe wrote:Why not just buy a plex and donate the money yourself?
Exactly, why force other people to donate to research they may care nothing about just to buy PLEX? No one is going to start buying PLEX simply because now NASA gets some extra money when they could just donate without needing to buy PLEX. The only effect this would have is lowering the amount of PLEX sold, thus less money for CCP for no reason.
The idea wouldn't be to replace PLEX, but to offer another option for players wanting to make advanced space exploration a reality. After all, CCP is all about advancing this kind of research.
For those only concerned with the cheapest PLEX (the vast majority of players, I am sure - and there is nothing wrong with that), they can buy a normal PLEX. But for people like me, with a bit more isk than we need, which we'd love to use for a good cause, the new PLEX would be an option.
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"Vulcans never bluff." |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
449
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Posted - 2013.08.16 21:10:00 -
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Ambassador Spock wrote:Darth Peaches wrote:Zane Lowe wrote:Why not just buy a plex and donate the money yourself?
Exactly, why force other people to donate to research they may care nothing about just to buy PLEX? No one is going to start buying PLEX simply because now NASA gets some extra money when they could just donate without needing to buy PLEX. The only effect this would have is lowering the amount of PLEX sold, thus less money for CCP for no reason. The idea wouldn't be to replace PLEX, but to offer another option for players wanting to make advanced space exploration a reality. After all, CCP is all about advancing this kind of research. For those only concerned with the cheapest PLEX (the vast majority of players, I am sure - and there is nothing wrong with that), they can buy a normal PLEX. But for people like me, with a bit more isk than we need, which we'd love to use for a good cause, the new PLEX would be an option.
That's odd though... why use plex at all? Just make a donation with your name on it directly.
If you think you're going to buy 4 plex in the next 6 months, just give the foundation $20.
(using isk would come straight out of ccp's coffers which I'm sure they have already earmarked for specific donations etc). "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Ambassador Spock
Starfleet Academy Red Squad
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Posted - 2013.08.16 21:33:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:That's odd though... why use plex at all? Just make a donation with your name on it directly.
If you think you're going to buy 4 plex in the next 6 months, just give the foundation $20.
(using isk would come straight out of ccp's coffers which I'm sure they have already earmarked for specific donations etc).
Again, this would be for people who don't have much money but have enough isk to pay for the game using PLEX. And it wouldn't take any money out of CCP's coffers since for every PLEX bought on the market by me, someone somewhere paid CCP real money for it.
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"Vulcans never bluff." |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3652
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Posted - 2013.08.16 21:43:00 -
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Ambassador Spock wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:That's odd though... why use plex at all? Just make a donation with your name on it directly.
If you think you're going to buy 4 plex in the next 6 months, just give the foundation $20.
(using isk would come straight out of ccp's coffers which I'm sure they have already earmarked for specific donations etc). Again, this would be for people who don't have much money but have enough isk to pay for the game using PLEX. And it wouldn't take any money out of CCP's coffers since for every PLEX bought on the market by me, someone somewhere paid CCP real money for it. Which means it takes money away from CCP, because they give away the money somebody paid them for a PLEX.
Edit: It really doesn't matter how you spin it. CCP loses money, because they don't get to keep the money somebody gave them. Your goodwill of donating ISK seems kind of ridiculous to me, even if you had actual good intentions. Blind, but good. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3975
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Posted - 2013.08.16 22:54:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:This is essentially the same mechanic as PLEX For Good in principle.
Plex for Good is the easiest way to handle the support of external projects. It might be relabelled as "PLEX For Space" so Vaerah's fund doesn't end up sending charity money off to rich Americans ;)
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Conrad Makbure
Division One Security
51
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Posted - 2013.08.16 23:23:00 -
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If the real value dollar amount of PLEX goes up, then the game market ISK value goes up with it. I sell PLEX so I don't really care, but others might and it's crazy to think that the in game market value will stay the same, so yeah, is this an idea that people will be cool with. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
5805
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Posted - 2013.08.16 23:41:00 -
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I think the real question should be: What would you do for a Klondike Bar?
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2013.08.16 23:46:00 -
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If the cash was going to a private company and not Nasa, then yes I would. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
35855
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Posted - 2013.08.16 23:54:00 -
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With all their money, CCP can just make a bulk donation to one of those organizations.
Why should they shill their customers for even more cash just to "look good" to the rest of the world ?
Why rely on customers when they could already donate at least a small portion of the past decade's bottom line ? |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
15997
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Posted - 2013.08.17 00:09:00 -
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I would rather money for PLEX go into making a life size Rokh out of rice krispy treats "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
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S'Way
Bitter Vets
621
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Posted - 2013.08.17 00:10:00 -
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Pay more for a PLEX ? No. Given the upcoming games in the market prices may even have to fall slightly to keep up with the competition (depending on how successful those are of course).
Solstice Project wrote: Edit: It really doesn't matter how you spin it. CCP loses money
This basically. If PLEX cost more, people buy less. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
133
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Posted - 2013.08.17 01:49:00 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:If the cash was going to a private company and not Nasa, then yes I would.
SpaceX <---Private space launch company.
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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2013.08.17 06:59:00 -
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Instead of charging extra for a PLEX to donate some money to NASA, why not have CCP make a special edition something or other, that might be worth getting, and the proceeds from that can go to NASA. That way, people who are interested in helping NASA could participate if they were interested, and everyone else would pay regular price for the PLEX.
Maybe a special addition package of kewl l3wtz. I'm thinking along the lines of a background (as an example)? So that when you pose your toons for a portrait, you can get a NASA logo back ground... People can see it in forums.... They would say stuff like, "Hey! That player got a NASA logo background! How cool! He/She must have bought it to help NASA with a donation. How cool!"
Also a special edition T-Shirt, a cool Jacket with the NASA logo on it. - All for your toons, of course. So, the package of loots would include a special edition background that you can use anytime (forever - it had better not expire) to pose all of your toons in front of, a T-Shirt with the NASA logo for all of the toons on your account, and a Jacket with the NASA logo (small one) in front and (a big one) on the back of the jacket too, again for all of the toons in your account.
So, how much would you pay (Proceeds going to NASA) for that? $5.00 (U.S.) for one item of your choice, $10.00 (U.S.), for two items of your choice, $15.00 (U.S.) for all three items in the package?
But I say take that a step further. Next year, it would be a package of items, with say, JAXA's logo. The year after that, it would be whatever Great Britain's space agency uses for a logo, then Russia, Germany, etc. There are space programs all over the world, and EVE online is a global game. So, it would be cool for players from around the globe to get such a cool package of loots and to get a chance to donate to their favorite space programs. Or players can donate to them all and collect all of the different logos for their toons. Except maybe China's space program. They're aiming to militarize space and claim the moon as Chinese territory. Blasted Communists! (I'm joking! I'm joking! I'm only half joking...)
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
133
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Posted - 2013.08.17 10:23:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote: So, how much would you pay (Proceeds going to NASA) for that? $5.00 (U.S.) for one item of your choice, $10.00 (U.S.), for two items of your choice, $15.00 (U.S.) for all three items in the package?
I'm missing the part where players can actually use ISK instead of money to make a donation (since this is the OP's main 'problem', being low on disposable cash).
I like the rest of the idea though... Since (in this case) NASA would be advertising this way, the price of the PLEX can be lowered for all us pilots and the difference will be paid by NASA as a returned favor for the advertisement.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
780
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:32:00 -
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Space travel is grossly irresponsible when multiple continents are poverty stricken. We should choose who we donate to. If you have more time than money then start a fundraiser for what you want to donate money to and get at it. Eve is Real |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
36090
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:38:00 -
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Grauth Thorner wrote: I like the rest of the idea though... Since (in this case) NASA would be advertising this way,
NASA is definitely not going to advertise that they are so underfunded that they have to be supported by donations from fictional space pixel games in order to survive. |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
528
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:43:00 -
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Exotic electro-physics and all that kinda fancy stuff was researched by the super-genius Tesla last century, much of his amazing research has been suppressed . Please do not donate money to these people.... Evelopedia;-á
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Mark Androcius
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:54:00 -
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Dimaloun Vyreen wrote:That'd be a great idea. NASA is also researching a warp drive. Seeing if one is possible, that is.
It IS actually possible, the only problem they have, is power generation. In previous calculations, we'd need the power off an entire black hole, in order to generate a warp bubble and actually warp space. A Mexican dude has come up with new calculations about 3 years ago, that suggest that it would be possible to do it with far far far less power, yet still a LOT of power. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4257
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Posted - 2013.08.17 16:19:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:This is essentially the same mechanic as PLEX For Good in principle. Plex for Good is the easiest way to handle the support of external projects. It might be relabelled as "PLEX For Space" so Vaerah's fund doesn't end up sending charity money off to rich Americans ;)
Not going to give a dime to a massively huge organization in the hands of politicians. They don't want failure, they don't like risk.
Much better to focus on emergent smaller entities that are at the forefront of technology and aggressively competing to "get there first". Those are the kind of horses to bet on. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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